9 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Im sorry, but at what point is enough actually enough?

Trump's social media strategy is smart in a way because he knows what feeds a majority of his base. He's basically like Skip Bayless saying things that he doesn't believe in, but knows it will hit home with a lot of people. That above tweet has been liked by over 100,000 people. 

33 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Yes but if you go back and read my earlier posts on the virus, I always favored the herd immunity approach with precautions.  The high levels asymptomatic and mild symptoms of positive tests suggests some validity to a herd immunity with precautions (social distancing when possible, masks and good hygiene practices).  

I don't think that has gone well in Sweden.  https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/08/sweden-backtracks-on-its-low-pain-coronavirus-plan/  I think we are probably heading in Sweden's direction just because it is hard to keep the virus on lockdown.  New Zealand is the only country that has beat the virus at this point. 

7 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Im sorry, but at what point is enough actually enough?

Look, I enjoy a good political discussion of events.  But his opinion is so polarizing that I think it detracts from an actual discussion.  To the extent the blog strays into the political fray, I think we should keep Trump out of it.  There are people in this thread that support him who I like and respect their opinions.  I also think we benefit from being able to share an opinion without it being focused on how good or not good of a job people think he is doing as President.  

25 minutes ago, Br3 said:

If dak deserves 37 than so does cousins 

Dak deserves $50 million a year for a four year contract. 

We are just months removed from losing our collective national crap over Trump/Russian meddling in our election.  

Yet the same left wants to vote with an honors system and now says there have never been problems?

You think a foreign or disingenuous entity couldn't sway local elections in a widespread fashion when they typically have 10-20% turnout and are voting in place of people who aren't going to vote anyway?

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think that has gone well in Sweden.  https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/08/sweden-backtracks-on-its-low-pain-coronavirus-plan/  I think we are probably heading in Sweden's direction just because it is hard to keep the virus on lockdown.  New Zealand is the only country that has beat the virus at this point. 

Look, I enjoy a good political discussion of events.  But his opinion is so polarizing that I think it detracts from an actual discussion.  To the extent the blog strays into the political fray, I think we should keep Trump out of it.  There are people in this thread that support him who I like and respect their opinions.  I also think we benefit from being able to share an opinion without it being focused on how good or not good of a job people think he is doing as President.  

Yup. That's when thing go from polite discussion to heated name calling in an instant, from both sides. 

11 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

So you're saying that mail in voting will have the same requirement to request a ballot  as  absentee? If that's the case, that's ok.

I have read a number of articles where some states where they want to mail ballots to anyone whether they request it or not

I don’t have an issue with mailing ballots to all registered voters at some point. We just aren’t having databases communicating with each other at this point to do that. 

7 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Trump's social media strategy is smart in a way because he knows what feeds a majority of his base. He's basically like Skip Bayless saying things that he doesn't believe in, but knows it will hit home with a lot of people. That above tweet has been liked by over 100,000 people. 

More like 100,000 morons.

58 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

That’s not socialism v capitalism that is driving the unhappiness, it is poverty. There are no truly socialist countries and none where all workers are equal. They tried that in Cambodia. The results were horrific. Don’t think they had a high happiness score. Socialism is not strong social policies. Sounds like you are supporting the latter.  We have shown with Medicare and Social Security those can work. I have no issue with that but people in this country are fixated on taxes so it would be a cultural change. That takes time.

 Yes cambodia did not have a high happy score😞My neighbor is an old crotchety white guy, navy vet, hates Trump is always talking politics with me when im out getting the mail and what not. He asked me who i support for president and i told him Bernie Sanders. He said basically what you said, that Americans arent ready for that much change all at once, and i agree, mention Medicare 4 all and people start calling you a commie, funding education? your a Na$i, pro taxing the rich? Might as well pack your bags and move to russia.😒

Yes im for more funding for social programs,not for a socialist country.  i would consider myself to lean towards more democratic socialist views more so than the current predatory capital economy.

Im more for cooperation than competition.

As for the poverty,in a true socialist society there is no poverty. Capitalism by its very nature creates classes and poverty. Now a true social society doesnt actually exist not because it cant function but because man isnt perfect.

One can say a lot of Marx ideals have proven to not work and one in the same breath can say trickle down economics has had a 30+ year run and showed to be an utter failure, unless one is the top 10% then its been super successful.

One can say the failure in both systems is mens greed except the basic goal of socialism is to create equality where as the basic goal of capitalism is to create competition which results in inequality.

I think its interesting stuff, thanks for engaging with me in this topic its not a topic many are willing to discuss without calling names, then again im discussing politics on a football message board so its to be expected😄

 

 

 

Just now, Desertbirds said:

More like 100,000 morons.

100,000 morons who are most likely going out to vote in November. I don't agree with his take there, but this is what he does. 

Yes, please, keep Trump out of this thread.

22 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Im sorry, but at what point is enough actually enough?

Agreed.  What kind of an idiot tries to black out police equipment?  

17 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Trump's social media strategy is smart in a way because he knows what feeds a majority of his base. He's basically like Skip Bayless saying things that he doesn't believe in, but knows it will hit home with a lot of people. That above tweet has been liked by over 100,000 people. 

So basically he says stuff he doesn’t mean. got it. But wait I thought his supporters voted for him because "He says what he means and means what he says!!” But it seems like his supporters spend 24/7 trying to convince people "that’s not what he meant”  like his brilliant idea to inject Lysol into our bodies 

Bottom line,  with today's technology, there should be no reason one should have to stand in line for hours ,in all kinds of conditions. 

Ironically the ones complaining about voter fraud ,are the ones who vote by mail. Starting with Trump, he has voted by mail 11 times last 10 years.

This is a turnout concern, issue, as in more Democrats will vote by mail , for reasons I shouldn't have to explain. 

 

11 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think that has gone well in Sweden.  https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/08/sweden-backtracks-on-its-low-pain-coronavirus-plan/  I think we are probably heading in Sweden's direction just because it is hard to keep the virus on lockdown.  New Zealand is the only country that has beat the virus at this point. 

Look, I enjoy a good political discussion of events.  But his opinion is so polarizing that I think it detracts from an actual discussion.  To the extent the blog strays into the political fray, I think we should keep Trump out of it.  There are people in this thread that support him who I like and respect their opinions.  I also think we benefit from being able to share an opinion without it being focused on how good or not good of a job people think he is doing as President.  

I think that article looks at data the prove its point rather than thoroughly objectively.  
 Sweden always expected a higher death rate.  Sweden has from its testing achieved a lot of herd immunity. They have kept it medically manageable. The economic impact is a reflection of European and world economies.  No one is ever going to like the death toll but it,is inevitable until there is a cure. 

I absolutely agree we should keep politicians out of discussions and try to minimalize discussions about parties.  The discourse on ideas fits.   To the extent I have failed in either, I apologize.  

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We are just months removed from losing our collective national crap over Trump/Russian meddling in our election.  

Yet the same left wants to vote with an honors system and now says there have never been problems?

You think a foreign or disingenuous entity couldn't sway local elections in a widespread fashion when they typically have 10-20% turnout and are voting in place of people who aren't going to vote anyway?

It would take a tremendous investment in people in the states to engage in widespread ballot harvesting which is what you are suggesting.  These ballots have handwriting and return addresses on them.  I worked as an observer for the re-count they had in NC in 2016.  These are supervised by the local election officials.  Irregularities in ballots would be apparent. I also have some level of confidence that candidates could challenge results where there was irregularity.  That's what led to the arrest in this case: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/20/us/north-carolina-voter-fraud.html  

19 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We are just months removed from losing our collective national crap over Trump/Russian meddling in our election.  

Yet the same left wants to vote with an honors system and now says there have never been problems?

You think a foreign or disingenuous entity couldn't sway local elections in a widespread fashion when they typically have 10-20% turnout and are voting in place of people who aren't going to vote anyway?

I’m "left”?  Only left handed.  I would be I am the only person in the blog that has held elected office for four terms as an elected Republican.  Left?   

I am against foreign governments meddling in our elections, including using masked propaganda. I don’t care if go back to the British leaking the Zimmerman memo.  Russia didn’t target just one group. But that’s not voter fraud, that is misleading political propaganda.  

34 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Dak deserves $50 million a year for a four year contract. 

Chiefs are going to have to line up the brinks trucks when it's time

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I’m "left”?  Only left handed.  I would be I am the only person in the blog that has held elected office for four terms as an elected Republican.  Left?   

 

I’ve been independent/non partisan since I was 18 other than registering Republican once so that I could vote for my roommate in college in the local primaries in State College.  (He was Republican and was running for some local government position)

That said, it’s not easy being a true independent.  My liberal friends/family call me conservative and my conservative friends/family call me liberal.  Neither side seems to grasp the meaning of being truly independent/moderate when it comes to politics.  🤷🏻‍♂️

Id love to be able to vote with an app on the cell phone. But of course the russians and democrats would find a way to hack it. 

14 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Chiefs are going to have to line up the brinks trucks when it's time

Nah, I just want Jerry to overpay Dak. 

Believe it or not, most people in this country are not extremists.  That's just who shouts the loudest.

The moderate left and moderate right have a lot of great points on their platforms.

Things get unnecessarily contentious and partisan when good people start to see the other side as extreme.  A reasonable person who is left of center starts to see all conservatives as racist hateful people who want to disenfranchise minorities.  A reasonable person right of center sees liberals as flag burning, America hating communists who want to steal their wealth.

Those extremists exist, but this country needs to realize that moderate republicans and moderate democrats (at the personal, not politician level) have more in common with each other than they do with the extremists of their respective parties.  The rigid line between like minded people of different political persuasions is unfortunate.  

52 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Trump's social media strategy is smart in a way because he knows what feeds a majority of his base. He's basically like Skip Bayless saying things that he doesn't believe in, but knows it will hit home with a lot of people. That above tweet has been liked by over 100,000 people. 

Right it’s purposefully creating a conspiracy theory without having to take blame for anything because it’s ended with a question mark so he’s not claiming it as fact. 
 

It’s dangerous. The issue here is people assume you are strictly one side or the other. Why is it so hard to agree mostly with someone but also admit their mistakes?

12 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I’ve been independent/non partisan since I was 18 other than registering Republican once so that I could vote for my roommate in college in the local primaries in State College.  (He was Republican and was running for some local government position)

That said, it’s not easy being a true independent.  My liberal friends/family call me conservative and my conservative friends/family call me liberal.  Neither side seems to grasp the meaning of being truly independent/moderate when it comes to politics.  🤷🏻‍♂️

This is where I stand as well. 

1 minute ago, twistr said:

This is where I stand as well. 

This is where we should all aim to be. Group think should not belong

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Believe it or not, most people in this country are not extremists.  That's just who shouts the loudest.

The moderate left and moderate right have a lot of great points on their platforms.

Things get unnecessarily contentious and partisan when good people start to see the other side as extreme.  A reasonable person who is left of center starts to see all conservatives as racist hateful people who want to disenfranchise minorities.  A reasonable person right of center sees liberals as flag burning, America hating communists who want to steal their wealth.

Those extremists exist, but this country needs to realize that moderate republicans and moderate democrats (at the personal, not politician level) have more in common with each other than they do with the extremists of their respective parties.  The rigid line between like minded people of different political persuasions is unfortunate.  

Moderates rule because they swing vote.