25 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The thing is, it is disrespectful of the people around you not to wear one.

Of course.  

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Lol. 

Not sure what's funny here. He makes a valid point.  Just like we don't want to lump all black people together we can't do the same with police.  There are great cops out there.  Bad ones too.  There are good white people out there and there are racist white people (not near the amount the media wants us to believe) just like there are good black people and racist black people.  It's really a shame that there is this movement suggesting all police are bad and let's treat them with disrespect.  

Also, I think you need to be careful what you post here.  You seem to share things that are better off in CVON instead of items that continue good conversation.  The point here isn't to take jabs at opposing sides but to talk to each other about issues and understanding each other. 

4 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Lol. 

LOL?  He is not wrong.   My daughter got sucker punched for absolutely no reason on the streets of New York a couple years ago.  Makes no sense unless it was some sort of initiation.  There were folks on the sidewalk who helped her up and called the police. The police helped calm her down, made sure she didn’t require medical assistance and then drove her home. They were consummate professionals throughout.  We too often get focused on bad interactions that we forget the good.  He condemned what happened in MN but he is right that the killing of officers in the last week are also overlooked. He is not denying there are issues that need to be addressed.

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

The mob is people who wear masks in public?

No the mob is people trying to MAKE everyone wear masks in public.

The mob is people who want to defund the police instead of reforming some practices

The mob is people who don't want to allow people to speak that has a view different than their own

The mob is those who get people fired because they express an opinion other than their own

Get it?

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Parma Pizza on Haines Rd.  I look at Lancaster and HBG as almost extensions of Philly cuz of the workforce that commutes.  I'm sure they had a good number of essential employees still commuting out of county to Philly.  I work in Cumberland County (currently remote) so I track their numbers too and out of all their deaths I want to say they had only 1 that wasn't in a nursing home so while the virus is out there it's still contained unfortunately to these homes.

No doubt it's still out there.  Still need to take precautions but my feeling is things will get back to normal quicker than we think.  Will be interesting to see if this new bill that ends the emergency order actually does anything.

We need a new normal.  

3 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

No the mob is people trying to MAKE everyone wear masks in public.

The mob is people who want to defund the police instead of reforming some practices

The mob is people who don't want to allow people to speak that has a view different than their own

The mob is those who get people fired because they express an opinion other than their own

Get it?

Nope. That is a gross generalization about an "imaginary” mob.  

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Nope. That is a gross generalization about an "imaginary” mob.  

So you're saying leftists aren't getting speakers banned from college campuses.?

You may want to read this article 

theblaze.com/news/la-galaxy-soccer-player-released-wife-riots

This is called blood guilt and is prevalent in North Korea. 

11 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

No the mob is people trying to MAKE everyone wear masks in public.

The mob is people who want to defund the police instead of reforming some practices

The mob is people who don't want to allow people to speak that has a view different than their own

The mob is those who get people fired because they express an opinion other than their own

Get it?

You just described our President, except he's the no mask mob

2 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

You just described our President, except he's the no mask mob

Well in that case you should oppose it no matter who is doing it.

10 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Yeah, that's really what made the Pumphrey pick so dumb. To take a 170 lb. RB with 4.48 speed (btw plays waaay slower than that; compare Pumphrey's on-field burst to Sanders'...) is an objectively bad pick from a process perspective.

Conversely, I thought the Hollins pick that year was fantastic process-wise. 6'4" ST demon with big play upside... Shame about the injuries and poor coaching he got after 2017. Really thought he was on his way to becoming a great role player.

Yup taking hollins then having tarik cohen go a few picks later put the eagles in a position to have to trade up for a RB, that they traded up for Pumphrey to me was inexplicable. When the pick they took hollins came up i thought they were going to take tarik cohen.

I feel they could have taken Cohen then traded up for Hollins.

I didnt mind the Hollins pick just thought it was too early for him.

I like the 2 receivers they got late in draft this year.(hightower, watkins) I think the depth at wr in this draft pushed them down as if they came out in hollins draft they both go sooner than they did.

28 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

You just described our President, except he's the no mask mob

Didn't know the President was for defunding the police

4 hours ago, Penn7980 said:

Agree that Clement will get a long look as #3.  Then Warren.  Killins can stay at PS for evaluation.  Not sure what Holyfield could bring, but they like him enough to carry him last season.

Also wonder what is Smallwood is up to these days.

 

I like how hard holyfield runs, wish he could do it faster.

People will justify holyfields lack of speed by claiming hes a  big back and yet holyfield is listed at only around 215.

He runs hard and is physical and in college those traits helped him against smaller slower college players.

The NFL is full of large fast Men with Elite traits, the traits that helped holyfield excel in college are neutralized by bigger faster nfl players.

Having said that well see maybe holyfield has something the eagles like personally i dont see it.

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup taking hollins then having tarik cohen go a few picks later put the eagles in a position to have to trade up for a RB, that they traded up for Pumphrey to me was inexplicable. When the pick they took hollins came up i thought they were going to take tarik cohen.

I feel they could have taken Cohen then traded up for Hollins.

I didnt mind the Hollins pick just thought it was too early for him.

I like the 2 receivers they got late in draft this year.(hightower, watkins) I think the depth at wr in this draft pushed them down as if they came out in hollins draft they both go sooner than they did.

The Eagles got enamored with Pumphrey based on his stats in college. They didn't  take into account  he was going against Mountain West defenders. 

55 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

And we do. I'm just getting tired of people expecting others to bow to the mob.

It doesn't work and the backlash is likely to be severe.

Sorry but I don't understand this p.o.v. the wearing of mask is for the protection of others, in fact I would say the "mob" (at least around here) are the ones that refuse to wear a mask and start screaming at you like you just murdered their kid when you ask them to wear one.

52 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Not sure what's funny here. He makes a valid point.  Just like we don't want to lump all black people together we can't do the same with police.  There are great cops out there.  Bad ones too.  There are good white people out there and there are racist white people (not near the amount the media wants us to believe) just like there are good black people and racist black people.  It's really a shame that there is this movement suggesting all police are bad and let's treat them with disrespect.  

Also, I think you need to be careful what you post here.  You seem to share things that are better off in CVON instead of items that continue good conversation.  The point here isn't to take jabs at opposing sides but to talk to each other about issues and understanding each other. 

It's almost like police don't like getting profiled. 

7 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

The Eagles got enamored with Pumphrey based on his stats in college. They didn't  take into account  he was going against Mountain West defenders. 

Im not one to dismiss players based off strength of conference but yeah when one is making an evaluation based off stats and not much else one needs to take into account who those stats were compiled against. Though pumphrey did have some big games against bigger competition like Michigan???

Having said that i never saw anything on tape that led me to believe pumphrey should have even been drafted. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Not sure what's funny here. He makes a valid point.  Just like we don't want to lump all black people together we can't do the same with police.  There are great cops out there.  Bad ones too.  There are good white people out there and there are racist white people (not near the amount the media wants us to believe) just like there are good black people and racist black people.  It's really a shame that there is this movement suggesting all police are bad and let's treat them with disrespect.  

Also, I think you need to be careful what you post here.  You seem to share things that are better off in CVON instead of items that continue good conversation.  The point here isn't to take jabs at opposing sides but to talk to each other about issues and understanding each other. 

Its not what theyre doing so much as why theyre doing it.

Cops serve to protect the ruling class' domestic capital interests. If protesters were killing each other the cops would sit by and watch but take a brick provided by the ruling class and throw it at a piece of capital and all the sudden cops spring into serve and protect mode. Serve the ruling class and protect their capital. If cops truly served and protected the people they claim to they would be marching with the protesters not shooting them with rubber bullets tear gas and beating them and slashing tires. Bad cops are a problem the ultimate purpose of police, serving and protecting the ruling class is a bigger systemic problem that is a contributing factor of systemic racism and inequality among the masses. The masses divided are weak.

Malcolm X used to say, the people arent outnumbered theyre out organized. Police are organized and the ruling class organizing them against the masses for their own greedy purposes.

Been like this for a long time all over the world, only difference is now its playing out right in front of us on our screens.

51 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

So you're saying leftists aren't getting speakers banned from college campuses.?

You may want to read this article 

theblaze.com/news/la-galaxy-soccer-player-released-wife-riots

This is called blood guilt and is prevalent in North Korea. 

Really? The Blaze.  Next you will refer me to OANN or Rachel Maddow.  I have little to no use for slanted news so I didn’t read your article.  Only talking head I like is Cramer.  If I want a conservative view, I would rather read the National Review or George Will.
 
That said, of course their are extremists on both the right and the left that like to silence free speech and try to control other people on what they should or shouldn’t do.  I am relatively libertarian in my views towards both sides.  The problem is when you cross the line.  At universities I attended I listened and questioned Milton Friedman, father of the Chicago school of economics. He had some strong views on Kenseyian economics.  He and I had a spirited discussion of the "robber baron” period of our history but none of it was hate speech. We also had David Duke, whose was hate speech.  There were civil rights activists that couldn’t get on campus to speak.  My point is that I believe allowing discourse with speakers from all sides of the spectrum should be allowed with some restrictions.  
 
But "mob”, "leftists”.  That’s pretty close to biased (hate) speech.  

Agholor inching his way closer to making the Raiders with ruggs hurting himself moving and Bowden dealing with this. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Not sure what's funny here. He makes a valid point.  Just like we don't want to lump all black people together we can't do the same with police.  There are great cops out there.  Bad ones too.  There are good white people out there and there are racist white people (not near the amount the media wants us to believe) just like there are good black people and racist black people.  It's really a shame that there is this movement suggesting all police are bad and let's treat them with disrespect.  

Also, I think you need to be careful what you post here.  You seem to share things that are better off in CVON instead of items that continue good conversation.  The point here isn't to take jabs at opposing sides but to talk to each other about issues and understanding each other. 

 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

LOL?  He is not wrong.   My daughter got sucker punched for absolutely no reason on the streets of New York a couple years ago.  Makes no sense unless it was some sort of initiation.  There were folks on the sidewalk who helped her up and called the police. The police helped calm her down, made sure she didn’t require medical assistance and then drove her home. They were consummate professionals throughout.  We too often get focused on bad interactions that we forget the good.  He condemned what happened in MN but he is right that the killing of officers in the last week are also overlooked. He is not denying there are issues that need to be addressed.

It sucks doesn’t it, being treated poorly simply because of who you are? 
 

I’ll admit I strayed a little off course though. Stressful few days. For that I apologize. 

40 minutes ago, greend said:

Didn't know the President was for defunding the police

For that matter, neither is the man he will be running against.

Just now, justrelax said:

For that matter, neither is the man he will be running against.

True

12 personnel gaining steam 

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

So you're saying leftists aren't getting speakers banned from college campuses.?

You may want to read this article 

theblaze.com/news/la-galaxy-soccer-player-released-wife-riots

This is called blood guilt and is prevalent in North Korea. 

I assume you are referencing Ivanka Trump being dis invited from speaking at WSU tech and whining about her greedom of speech rights???

I live in wichita my wife is faculty at WSU, she also works directly with the police chief there.

Ivanka wasnt uninvited by a leftist mob, if one knows any thing about wichita its highly conservative and influenced by the Koch brothers whom are huge GOP donors and whose headquarters are about 5 minutes from my house and about 10 minutes from WSU campus. The basketball arena at WSU is called Koch Arena. 

Ivanka wasnt uninvited by a leftist mob she was uninvited by a large group of students and faculty both on the right and left through petition who have zero desire to hear her peddle her lies and propaganda for her dad.

My wife is the director of community outreach and director of student prevention, her department student health, made a video posted it to social media page proclaiming their support against systemic racism and inequality and in support of students in their efforts and as a resource for student health resources.

Youd be appalled by the comments by right wing "mob" calling my wife and her colleagues racists and leftist tools and all sorts of other unhelpful comments.

This isnt a right or left issue its a moral issue, the decision to un invite ivanka wasnt a right or left decision it was a moral decision based off students not wanting to listen to a commencement speaker that doesnt stand for what they stand for.

17 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Really? The Blaze.  Next you will refer me to OANN or Rachel Maddow.  I have little to no use for slanted news so I didn’t read your article.  Only talking head I like is Cramer.  If I want a conservative view, I would rather read the National Review or George Will.
 
That said, of course their are extremists on both the right and the left that like to silence free speech and try to control other people on what they should or shouldn’t do.  I am relatively libertarian in my views towards both sides.  The problem is when you cross the line.  At universities I attended I listened and questioned Milton Friedman, father of the Chicago school of economics. He had some strong views on Kenseyian economics.  He and I had a spirited discussion of the "robber baron” period of our history but none of it was hate speech. We also had David Duke, whose was hate speech.  There were civil rights activists that couldn’t get on campus to speak.  My point is that I believe allowing discourse with speakers from all sides of the spectrum should be allowed with some restrictions.  
 
But "mob”, "leftists”.  That’s pretty close to biased (hate) speech.  

When I was a boy we had Leo Strauss at our home for dinner a number of times. I was way too young to understand the arguments and discussions. Theodore Hesburgh was another guest on more than one occasion. I remember little about those dinners except that I was allowed watered-down wine.