12 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Im not getting into an asinine argument with a Bernie Bro

The world has seen many attempts at your brand of fake democracy before and it ends in mass death, poverty, and conflict.  No thanks

 

Capitalism--the greatest economic system ever created by man

capitalism is the greatest economic system ever created by man?

Care to explain? Capitalism by its very nature creates competition which creates winners and losers, when allowed to function un regulated capitalism leads to a society of the haves and the have nots with those in power at the top the ruling 1% and the rest the 99% at the bottom feeding off the scraps nobly thrown to us have nots.better known as trickle down economics.

With out social safety nets to benefit the working people and balance out capitalisms exploitive nature unfettered capitalism fails all but the haves.

56 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Serious question: Were you in favor of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, or of the recent support for corporations owing to impacts of covid-19?

Im not going there.  We can have these debates in CVON if you want.

But Im not having some Bernie Bro coming into the Blog and spouting off his polyanna propaganda unchecked

Socialism is a failed economic model.  Thats why the nordic countries these Bernie Bros love so much (which are btw mostly about the size of 1 US state and almost 100% ethnically uniform) continue to move towards capitalism and away from socialism

 

Now here comes the inevitable tone deaf argument where a socialist tells me "but no, I love capitalism and want to keep it"

No, you want only want capitalism that is highly regulated to feed the runaway entitlement programs that will inevitably follow a nation voting for "free stuff" without repercussion

The only progress socialism has made in 100 years is admitting that it needs to leech off of capitalism to exist.   

 

17 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

The First Amendment does not apply to private universities.

Do they take govt loan money? Tax credits?

none of them are truly private

13 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Capitalism--the greatest economic system ever created by man

Is it perfect?

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Is it perfect?

Is anything perfect?

13 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Im not getting into an asinine argument with a Bernie Bro

The world has seen many attempts at your brand of fake democracy before and it ends in mass death, poverty, and conflict.  No thanks

 

Capitalism--the greatest economic system ever created by man

Pretty strong take.  Bernie ain't my bro.  Neither was Hillary, neither is Trump.  As for asinine,  you sure are.

5 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Pure, unadulterated capitalism, without Social Security, Medicare, unemployment compensation, welfare, etc. Yep, must be so.

You lose even in the extremes

Pure, unadulterated capitalism leads to poor working conditions and wealth gaps

Pure, unadulted socialism leads to centralized power, mass death, mass poverty, and food shortages

Just now, Asg 15 said:

Is anything perfect?

Me. 

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

Me. 

Perfect A-Hole

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Softball lob couldn't help myself

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Me. 

Hehe, yeah I was waiting for that one from somebody

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

capitalism is the greatest economic system ever created by man?

Care to explain? Capitalism by its very nature creates competition which creates winners and losers, when allowed to function un regulated capitalism leads to a society of the haves and the have nots with those in power at the top the ruling 1% and the rest the 99% at the bottom feeding off the scraps nobly thrown to us have nots.better known as trickle down economics.

With out social safety nets to benefit the working people and balance out capitalisms exploitive nature unfettered capitalism fails all but the haves.

Why do I need to explain something you can realize by simply looking around the room youre in now, looking at your car, the healthcare you receive, the technology you hold in your hands, the relative comfort under which you live.....all created by capitalism

 

The flaw in your argument is that economics is a zero sum game, that there are winners and losers.   Classic socialist thinking--that the only way to get ahead is to take from someone else.  Neither of you are winners and youre both losers

 

The reality is that capitalism creates wealth, there doesnt have to be a loser.  Competition drives innovation and raises the living conditions for everyone

44 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Actually I hadn't even thought about that one.   Try https://www.businessinsider.com/list-of-disinvited-speakers-at-colleges-2016-7

You and I obviously don't agree politically but I support your right to present your point of view and i'd expect you to reciprocate. 

I am fairly left leaning but one of the greatest speakers I have seen was Justice Antonin Scalia.  He was a gentleman.  He was sincere in his discussions with me and law school classmates.  He sat out on the smoking area at my law school debating students while smoking cigarettes.  He was unwavering and thoughtful in his opinions.  Now, I still don't agree with him and I think in some areas of the law he was just as susceptible to deviating from a textualist approach as he accused others of being with the Constitution.  He did help me understand his point of view and think critically.  

I think speakers can be vetted for their credibility.  Certainly, there are people who are unqualified and should not be invited.  I mean anti-vaxxers, holocaust deniers, flat earthers and those claim to have been abducted by alien provide little educational value.  Students, however, should be open to hear other points of view.  

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Do they take govt loan money? Tax credits?

none of them are truly private

The law is a little vague here (especially for me), but the consensus seems to be that private universities have a different status vis-a-vis the First Amendment than do public institutions even if the private universities receive Some Federal funds.

7 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Is anything perfect?

Should we not consider means to improve it?

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

The law is a little vague here (especially for me), but the consensus seems to be that private universities have a different status vis-a-vis the First Amendment than do public institutions even if the private universities receive Some Federal funds.

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Do they take govt loan money? Tax credits?

none of them are truly private

I think there's probably a distinction between allowing the speech of students vs. speakers.  That's where the colleges would have a problem.  So if they kicked out students for starting a NSDAP organization they would have a 1st amendment problem.  If they decided to not invite Hilter to come speak on campus, they don't.  

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think there's probably a distinction between allowing the speech of students vs. speakers.  That's where the colleges would have a problem.  So if they kicked out students for starting a NSDAP organization they would have a 1st amendment problem.  If they decided to not invite Hilter to come speak on campus, they don't.  

I think there are some differences with respect to academic freedom. Private universities can prohibit faculty from expressing controversial opinions that are at odds with the "values” of the institution, whereas  public universities cannot.

37 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

No she doesnt

You want her to so that you have an excuse to ban her from speaking, but she's actually an independent human capable of her own thought

 

And if youre going to argue socialism vs capitalism Ill just point to reality and history.

Capitalism has done more common good, and created the best quality of life for the poorest of the poor, while socialism has been an abject failure every single time.   You can throw "democratic" in there and that may fool some naive high schoolers, but the reality is it fails every time

No one has banned ivanka from speaking, george floyd has been banned from speaking. Ivanka has been told to take her ball and play with it else where, shes not sitting in a turkish prison with tape over her mouth. 

Nice quote im going to guess it came from a capitalist.😒

Socialism doesnt fail people, people fail socialism. On its face its a good theory with a goal to create eqyality.

Capitalism goal is to create equality in ability to acquire capital which even when practiced morally leads to inequality among the masses.

Socialism and capitalism function better together when applied democratically in a free republic.

Research after research show that mixed economies, those with capital free markets and strong social safety nets have stronger more sustainable economies and higher happiness and freedom rankings than those economies that are one or the other.

USA rank low in worldwide happiness and freedom rankings than other comparable industrial countries.

Dont like socialism, stop funding and supporting the US military, the most socially funded entity in the world. The US spends more on military than the next 10 countries combined. Trump has dropped more bombs in the last 3 years than oboma and bushs first terms combined. You pay for that.

Average american spends about 30$ a year in food stamp programs, where as they spend around 700$ a year in corporate subsidies, so are you opposed to socialism when it just benefits the poor or when it enriches the wealthy?

I could go on and on. The problem isnt capitalism or socialism it greed and those in power telling you to go against the things that benefit you and me and the 99%  be for the things that continue to enrich them and keep them in power.

Stop doing their dirty work them, "you have nothing to lose but your chains..."

 

 

11 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Should we not consider means to improve it?

Well thought out improvements are always welcome.

Change for the sake of change seldom works our whether it's in economics or football

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

No one has banned ivanka from speaking, george floyd has been banned from speaking. Ivanka has been told to take her ball and play with it else where, shes not sitting in a turkish prison with tape over her mouth. 

Nice quote im going to guess it came from a capitalist.😒

Socialism doesnt fail people, people fail socialism. On its face its a good theory with a goal to create eqyality.

Capitalism goal is to create equality in ability to acquire capital which even when practiced morally leads to inequality among the masses.

Socialism and capitalism function better together when applied democratically in a free republic.

Research after research show that mixed economies, those with capital free markets and strong social safety nets have stronger more sustainable economies and higher happiness and freedom rankings than those economies that are one or the other.

USA rank low in worldwide happiness and freedom rankings than other comparable industrial countries.

Dont like socialism, stop funding and supporting the US military, the most socially funded entity in the world. The US spends more on military than the next 10 countries combined. Trump has dropped more bombs in the last 3 years than oboma and bushs first terms combined. You pay for that.

Average american spends about 30$ a year in food stamp programs, where as they spend around 700$ a year in corporate subsidies, so are you opposed to socialism when it just benefits the poor or when it enriches the wealthy?

I could go on and on. The problem isnt capitalism or socialism it greed and those in power telling you to go against the things that benefit you and me and the 99%  be for the things that continue to enrich them and keep them in power.

Stop doing their dirty work them, "you have nothing to lose but your chains..."

 

 

Totally ridiculous.

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

 

USA rank low in worldwide happiness and freedom rankings than other comparable industrial countries.

 

 

 

Well I can't speak for anyone else but i'm quite happy and I have the freedom to do just about anything I want as long as it hurts no one.

Please post a link for this happiness survey

27 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Im not going there.  We can have these debates in CVON if you want.

But Im not having some Bernie Bro coming into the Blog and spouting off his polyanna propaganda unchecked

Socialism is a failed economic model.  Thats why the nordic countries these Bernie Bros love so much (which are btw mostly about the size of 1 US state and almost 100% ethnically uniform) continue to move towards capitalism and away from socialism

 

Now here comes the inevitable tone deaf argument where a socialist tells me "but no, I love capitalism and want to keep it"

No, you want only want capitalism that is highly regulated to feed the runaway entitlement programs that will inevitably follow a nation voting for "free stuff" without repercussion

The only progress socialism has made in 100 years is admitting that it needs to leech off of capitalism to exist.   

 

its not free if we pay for it😒

I think you have the last part wrong. Socialism for the rich capitalism for the rest suggests the ruling class needs us and socialism far more than we need them and capitalism.

But hey keep using your voice to prop up the rich and demean the working class. Youre either part of the 1% and willingly spreading their propaganda or you are ignorant and speaking against your own interests 

I just went on the Eagles website for the first time in months.   I wonder how much traffic they've lost since the message boards were closed down?

6 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Well I can't speak for anyone else but i'm quite happy and I have the freedom to do just about anything I want as long as it hurts no one.

Please post a link for this happiness survey

https://worldhappiness.report/ed/2019/

 

US comes in at #19

 

26 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am fairly left leaning but one of the greatest speakers I have seen was Justice Antonin Scalia.  He was a gentleman.  He was sincere in his discussions with me and law school classmates.  He sat out on the smoking area at my law school debating students while smoking cigarettes.  He was unwavering and thoughtful in his opinions.  Now, I still don't agree with him and I think in some areas of the law he was just as susceptible to deviating from a textualist approach as he accused others of being with the Constitution.  He did help me understand his point of view and think critically.  

I think speakers can be vetted for their credibility.  Certainly, there are people who are unqualified and should not be invited.  I mean anti-vaxxers, holocaust deniers, flat earthers and those claim to have been abducted by alien provide little educational value.  Students, however, should be open to hear other points of view.  

thats the crux of it though, they have already heard her view they dont want more.