2 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

 

It sucks doesn’t it, being treated poorly simply because of who you are? 
 

I’ll admit I strayed a little off course though. Stressful few days. For that I apologize. 

You’re  okay. It doesn’t suck being treated for who we are individually as long as it s based on our own character.  But, yes, it sucks to be treated poorly based on what you look like, what you do for a job etc. because of a generalization. 

By the way, D20 was great on that Eagles brawl podcast, particularly his thoughts on 12 personnel. 

11 minutes ago, greend said:

Totally ridiculous.

That's the part you find ridiculous?

23 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Why do I need to explain something you can realize by simply looking around the room youre in now, looking at your car, the healthcare you receive, the technology you hold in your hands, the relative comfort under which you live.....all created by capitalism

 

The flaw in your argument is that economics is a zero sum game, that there are winners and losers.   Classic socialist thinking--that the only way to get ahead is to take from someone else.  Neither of you are winners and youre both losers

 

The reality is that capitalism creates wealth, there doesnt have to be a loser.  Competition drives innovation and raises the living conditions for everyone

Truth and then not truth.  It does not raise the living conditions of everyone.  Like all systems of governance and economics alive today, it has it's flaws, one of which is the unequal compensation between those who are the means of production and those who are the means of policy and management.   But still time to work out the kinks.

5 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Well I can't speak for anyone else but i'm quite happy and I have the freedom to do just about anything I want as long as it hurts no one.

Please post a link for this happiness survey

I choose to exercise my right to decline to post a link of something that you can just as easily google if you really cared to.

You have the right to do lots of things that hurt anyone. The students and faculty chose to not to listen to Ivanka, they didnt choose to hurt her yet she is hurt.

Apparently the US has the right to drop bombs on yemeni palestinian children and they hurt them so apparently the US government believes their rights supercede those of other humans whose right???

33 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am fairly left leaning but one of the greatest speakers I have seen was Justice Antonin Scalia.  He was a gentleman.  He was sincere in his discussions with me and law school classmates.  He sat out on the smoking area at my law school debating students while smoking cigarettes.  He was unwavering and thoughtful in his opinions.  Now, I still don't agree with him and I think in some areas of the law he was just as susceptible to deviating from a textualist approach as he accused others of being with the Constitution.  He did help me understand his point of view and think critically.  

I think speakers can be vetted for their credibility.  Certainly, there are people who are unqualified and should not be invited.  I mean anti-vaxxers, holocaust deniers, flat earthers and those claim to have been abducted by alien provide little educational value.  Students, however, should be open to hear other points of view.  

Totally agree with this.  Speaking of holocaust deniers I recently did some reading on Reinhard Heydrich, The Butcher of Prague.  If he’d have made it to Nuremberg they’d likely have picked him up off the ground and hung him again.  He was the arms and legs of Hitler and Himmler’s vile vision of ethnic cleansing.  Hitler even had a nickname for him — the Man with the Iron Heart

You know when Hitler marvels at your heartlessness, you’re about as awful as it gets.

5 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Truth and then not truth.  It does not raise the living conditions of everyone.  Like all systems of governance and economics alive today, it has it's flaws, one of which is the unequal compensation between those who are the means of production and those who are the means of policy and management.   But still time to work out the kinks.

No other economic system affords the poorest of the poor the opportunities that capitalism does 

All the socialist handouts in the world can never equal the upward mobility that a person has in capitalism. Again, reality, history, they all back this up while you guys are living in the clouds and imagining those "angles of the government" that milton friedman talked about

11 minutes ago, Utebird said:

thats the crux of it though, they have already heard her view they dont want more.

Who is "they” ? Surely there are students at WSU that would like to hear Ivanka Trump. You are advocating a form of democracy that does not have to respect the rights of the minority.

25 minutes ago, Utebird said:

No one has banned ivanka from speaking, george floyd has been banned from speaking. Ivanka has been told to take her ball and play with it else where, shes not sitting in a turkish prison with tape over her mouth. 

Nice quote im going to guess it came from a capitalist.😒

Socialism doesnt fail people, people fail socialism. On its face its a good theory with a goal to create eqyality.

Capitalism goal is to create equality in ability to acquire capital which even when practiced morally leads to inequality among the masses.

Socialism and capitalism function better together when applied democratically in a free republic.

Research after research show that mixed economies, those with capital free markets and strong social safety nets have stronger more sustainable economies and higher happiness and freedom rankings than those economies that are one or the other.

USA rank low in worldwide happiness and freedom rankings than other comparable industrial countries.

Dont like socialism, stop funding and supporting the US military, the most socially funded entity in the world. The US spends more on military than the next 10 countries combined. Trump has dropped more bombs in the last 3 years than oboma and bushs first terms combined. You pay for that.

Average american spends about 30$ a year in food stamp programs, where as they spend around 700$ a year in corporate subsidies, so are you opposed to socialism when it just benefits the poor or when it enriches the wealthy?

I could go on and on. The problem isnt capitalism or socialism it greed and those in power telling you to go against the things that benefit you and me and the 99%  be for the things that continue to enrich them and keep them in power.

Stop doing their dirty work them, "you have nothing to lose but your chains..."

 

 

Ok Bernie Bro

The military is socialism now?  

The A#1 function of any government on earth is the common defense of its citizens.   What that has to do with economics is beyond me

 

And again, all those "mixed economies" that you love to cite rely entirely on capitalism to exist.  What does that tell you?

It says that socialism is insolvent by its very nature and should be limited as much as possible.  The fact that we've grown accustomed to these soon-to-be insolvent programs in the US doesnt change the principles of economics.

12 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Truth and then not truth.  It does not raise the living conditions of everyone.  Like all systems of governance and economics alive today, it has it's flaws, one of which is the unequal compensation between those who are the means of production and those who are the means of policy and management.   But still time to work out the kinks.

"The means of production"...just straight up using Marxist language now?

The person who owns a factory is the means of production more than the workers, who would not exist without management 

You scooping fries with a spatula doesnt qualify you for anything but a spatula operators salary, because you are bringing no real skills to the table

Supply and demand, incentivizing hard work and self improvement and innovation.  Concepts that are foreign to a socialist who wants equality of outcome and not equality of opportunity

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

And again, all those "mixed economies" that you love to cite rely entirely on capitalism to exist.  What does that tell you?

It tells me that, at best, capitalism is necessary but not sufficient.

24 minutes ago, Utebird said:

its not free if we pay for it😒

I think you have the last part wrong. Socialism for the rich capitalism for the rest suggests the ruling class needs us and socialism far more than we need them and capitalism.

But hey keep using your voice to prop up the rich and demean the working class. Youre either part of the 1% and willingly spreading their propaganda or you are ignorant and speaking against your own interests 

 

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

It tells me that, at best, capitalism is necessary but not sufficient.

Capitalism is essential to freedom, socialism is the nonessential luxury 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

 

Capitalism is essential to freedom, socialism is the nonessential luxury 

You are a zealot and like all zealots your mind is closed. 

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

They have the right but that does not make it right. We should not be so fragile that we can't allow ourselves to be exposed to other points of view.

Well, in honesty, WSU did not disinvite Ivanka Trump.  They decided to change the format of the graduation speeches and gave the keynote speaker role to a graduating nursing student. They invited Ivanka to submit a speech that would be optional for viewing to the students. It is my experience that keynote commencement speakers typically address the students on what they can do and the challenges they will face. Ivanka posted the original speech she submitted for the commencement so her free speech rights were not abridged, the forum changed slightly.  I haven’t and won’t listen to it as frankly my experience with her interviews and speeches in the past leave me disinterested.  I wouldn’t be surprised if it sounds like a stump speech and if so, color me disappointed in her for doing so.  I would extend that disappointment to anyone who gives a stump speech as a commencement speech. 

56 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Why do I need to explain something you can realize by simply looking around the room youre in now, looking at your car, the healthcare you receive, the technology you hold in your hands, the relative comfort under which you live.....all created by capitalism

 

The flaw in your argument is that economics is a zero sum game, that there are winners and losers.   Classic socialist thinking--that the only way to get ahead is to take from someone else.  Neither of you are winners and youre both losers

 

The reality is that capitalism creates wealth, there doesnt have to be a loser.  Competition drives innovation and raises the living conditions for everyone

If the goal is to create wealth then Capitalism is effective. If the goal is to create equality than socialism is a better route. If one is only concerned with economics than things like morals dont matter.

Seeing as natural man keeps us from being equal in a social economy and capitalism keeps us by design from being equal. Equal accessability doesnt mean equal than the logical solution if one is concerned with not just creating wealth would  be a omixed economy where capital free markets are intertwined with social safety nets and checked by a morally democratically elected republic is more beneficial to everyone.

If ones  End goal is to  create wealth than you are absolutely correct capitalism trumps( for lack of a better term) socialism every day and twice on sunday.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Well, in honesty, WSU did not disinvite Ivanka Trump.  They decided to change the format of the graduation speeches and gave the keynote speaker role to a graduating nursing student. They invited Ivanka to submit a speech that would be optional for viewing to the students. It is my experience that keynote commencement speakers typically address the students on what they can do and the challenges they will face. Ivanka posted the original speech she submitted for the commencement so her free speech rights were not abridged, the forum changed slightly.  I haven’t and won’t listen to it as frankly my experience with her interviews and speeches in the past leave me disinterested.  I wouldn’t be surprised if it sounds like a stump speech and if so, color me disappointed in her for doing so.  I would extend that disappointment to anyone who gives a stump speech as a commencement speech. 

They changed the format as an excuse...

32 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

 

You have to be Matt Will from the old site the way you post 

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Well, in honesty, WSU did not disinvite Ivanka Trump.  They decided to change the format of the graduation speeches and gave the keynote speaker role to a graduating nursing student. They invited Ivanka to submit a speech that would be optional for viewing to the students. It is my experience that keynote commencement speakers typically address the students on what they can do and the challenges they will face. Ivanka posted the original speech she submitted for the commencement so her free speech rights were not abridged, the forum changed slightly.  I haven’t and won’t listen to it as frankly my experience with her interviews and speeches in the past leave me disinterested.  I wouldn’t be surprised if it sounds like a stump speech and if so, color me disappointed in her for doing so.  I would extend that disappointment to anyone who gives a stump speech as a commencement speech. 

evrn if WSU chose not to make ivankas speech available on their campus or website her 1st amendment would still have not been infringed upon. She can rightfully make her speech available on any forum or platform which allows her to do so on their platform. If no one agrees i suggest she invest in soap boxes or join this board as theyll let almost anyone say anything ie. Me😉😊

6 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

They changed the format as an excuse...

They changed the format to placate their GOP donors...

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

You have to be Matt Will from the old site the way you post 

Ive wondered about MedeteranianDiet thinking maybe matwill learned to change his posting style a bit this time unlike with Whitehall. 

But, mattwill has signed up for these boards, and was posting just a few days ago. 

1 hour ago, QBhunter58 said:

Strong proponent of this theory in my life as well. It is not about me convincing you that your wrong, or vice versa. It is about having a open dialogue of ideas and learning more about where each person is coming from. You expand your knowledge when you take off the blinders because respectful conversation leads to increased understanding and empathy. Listening to the "other side" allows you to adjust your viewpoint either by adopting little pieces of what they say, or further solidifying your opinions based on new knowledge. Unfortunately, while I like to practice this type of discussion, I largely stay away from any controversial discussions because most people do not have the same intentions. 

Well said.  I have the freedom as a retired person (no limitations on free speech because of my employer) and frankly, no longer running for office.  I also am liberated by being a white male. Everything that liberates me is the wrong reason to be liberated.

Disagree with Amy Cooper’s actions but fired?  Disagree with the guy that hung the governor in effigy but fired?  Fired for wearing a hijab?  Fired for wearing natural hair?  That is restricting A person’s rights.  Most of that away from work.

14 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

 

Capitalism is essential to freedom, socialism is the nonessential luxury 

Straight out the mouth of a capitalistic economist, seems legit...

1 hour ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I think the first preseason game is the toughest. If you discount the excitement in the air that "yay, football is finally back!" it's pretty brutal. At least with the fourth game you have some idea of who has looked good thus far and where the battles for roster spots are being fought.

Fourth game is an audition tape for players like Danny Woodhead.  I watch for that reason.  As a tuneup we probably only need the second and third. 

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

They changed the format to placate their GOP donors...

That’s not true:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/politics/ivanka-trump-wsu-tech-commencement-speech-canceled/index.html

20 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

"The means of production"...just straight up using Marxist language now?

The person who owns a factory is the means of production more than the workers, who would not exist without management 

You scooping fries with a spatula doesnt qualify you for anything but a spatula operators salary, because you are bringing no real skills to the table

Supply and demand, incentivizing hard work and self improvement and innovation.  Concepts that are foreign to a socialist who wants equality of outcome and not equality of opportunity

Equality of opportunity. Straight out of the mouth of a capitalist.

Next your going to tell me everyone has health care because they have access to it.

I have access to a ferrari yet here i am with out a ferrari, maybe i just need to work harder or more😒

You say Marx like its a swear word😳why not set aside your fear stop being so coddled and open your mind to views that differ from yours...😉