2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

 

Are you quoting yourself now? 😯

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Wow! You didn't get that post at all.

The irony runs deep here...

what he describes is the basis of capitalism - mutually agreed upon contract

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Wentz was spotted tossing footballs to Reagor.

Thoughts?

I looked for more on this. Based on an instagram post by Reagor. Would like more.  

All cops should go home for about a week and then when these cities BEG for them to come back to work, ask for a raise. 

11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

To quote HE, wrong.

What is and isn’t an entitlement program. See my most recent post.

Most of what you describe is. Hilarious that you try and paint the ultra conservatives as the biggest socialists...no bias there lol

who believes in the welfare state again??

5 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

All cops should go home for about a week and then when these cities BEG for them to come back to work, ask for a raise. 

Dereliction of duty

would only escalate tension

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

The point is you are the one playing the semantics game, not us

When you actually look to this philosophical principles, the systems you describe are far more socialism than capitalism. But repeat the lie enough times and all...

 

Semantics game?  I don’t follow exactly what you disagree with.   

9 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Are you quoting yourself now? 😯

 I was trying to edit a post that made Ivanka into Ivan due to my spellcheck and that was the result.  Just call me a Luddite. 

14 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

The irony runs deep here...

what he describes is the basis of capitalism - mutually agreed upon contract

Contract?  Not my legal definition of a contract.  NCIggles, am I wrong?   Contracts are pretty simple.  Agreements between parties for goods or services in return for consideration.  

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

First Amendment does not guarantee the right to a commencement speech. If it does, let your school know I am exercising my right. 

The issue goes beyond Ms Trump, WSU, and commencement speeches. The Woke left is adopting fascist strategies designed to stifle speech that they do not agree with.

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Most of what you describe is. Hilarious that you try and paint the ultra conservatives as the biggest socialists...no bias there lol

who believes in the welfare state again??

Dereliction of duty

would only escalate tension

Nah a peaceful protest or strike even, Democrat unions do this all the time 

8 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I had no idea we spent so much on the NYPD. 

Sure, it's a large number but there are also 8.5 million people to police.  Better to show how that money is spent rather than a lump sum.  Here's the problem with the media.  They know that now is time to pounce on any negative spin they can put on police.  People have never been more anti-police than they are right now.  They could do 2 things.  Keep pushing them down.  Look at how much money they spend, look at how much bad stuff we can dig up.  Let's make everyone hate the police so defunding is the only decision left to make.

OR

Let's remind people how helpful the police are.  How much good they actually do for our communities.  Let's remind people of the love affair everyone had with NYPD after 9/11 and the selfless acts 99% of police do.  RESTORE FAITH in our police system.  The majority of citizens don't have day-to-day interactions with the police so we depend on what we read, hear or watch.  Yes, some police officers need to be better, some work has to be done but this whole thing is getting old.  

9 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Most of what you describe is. Hilarious that you try and paint the ultra conservatives as the biggest socialists...no bias there lol

who believes in the welfare state again??

Main Street Republican retired insurance executive elected four times as a Republican to,office. Yep, welfare stater, that’s me.  Extremely regulated business but we did also get some corporate welfare.  Our biggest competitor, AIG, would have gone down in 2008 without a bailout. That would have been catastrophic for the economy.  Crop insurance subsidies?  Write your own flood insurance?  Welfare?  For whom?  

Refining subsidies, good for my Exxon and Chevron stock.  

Bottom line is in reality entitlement programs tend to be defined by who is receiving the benefit.  Sometimes in business and in investments, it was me.   I am a descendent of farmers, for the most part, and I don’t mind helping them.  I can pretty much show anyone on here where they benefit from government help.  Nothing wrong with some of that. Needs to be evened some. 

19 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

The issue goes beyond Ms Trump, WSU, and commencement speeches. The Woke left is adopting fascist strategies designed to stifle speech that they do not agree with.

Yes they are imitating the far right.  We both agree on that. I don’t like fascist behavior no matter what side of the aisle you sit on. But that wasn’t the case at WSU.  The speech was changed from the commencement speech to an optional attachment. No First Amendment violation here but if the First Amendment guarantees a commencement speech at your school, when is my commencement speech?  

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Yes they are imitating the far right.  We both agree on that. I don’t like fascist behavior no matter what side of the aisle you sit on. But that wasn’t the case at WSU.  The speech was changed from the commencement speech to an optional attachment. No First Amendment violation here but if the First Amendment guarantees a commencement speech at your school, when is my commencement speech?  

You’re too late - we are commenced.

41 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

All cops should go home for about a week and then when these cities BEG for them to come back to work, ask for a raise. 

Cities arent people, corporations legally yes, cities no so...

Having said that i doubt " people" protesting will beg the police to come back and shoot them with rubber bullets nor deserve a raise for doing so.

Cops exist to protect domestic capital interests and serve those in control of those capital interest.

Cities are capital for those in control when cops are called into to use force they do so to protect capital interest bot the peoples interest.

If the police were protecting and serving the people the protesters they would be marching with them and protecting them from those trying to disrupt discredit and incite violence in  Instead the cops and national guard are disrupting discrediting and inciting violence.

Dont fool yourself into thinking cops exist to protect society. They exist to protect capital.

 

36 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Sure, it's a large number but there are also 8.5 million people to police.  Better to show how that money is spent rather than a lump sum.  Here's the problem with the media.  They know that now is time to pounce on any negative spin they can put on police.  People have never been more anti-police than they are right now.  They could do 2 things.  Keep pushing them down.  Look at how much money they spend, look at how much bad stuff we can dig up.  Let's make everyone hate the police so defunding is the only decision left to make.

OR

Let's remind people how helpful the police are.  How much good they actually do for our communities.  Let's remind people of the love affair everyone had with NYPD after 9/11 and the selfless acts 99% of police do.  RESTORE FAITH in our police system.  The majority of citizens don't have day-to-day interactions with the police so we depend on what we read, hear or watch.  Yes, some police officers need to be better, some work has to be done but this whole thing is getting old.  

I do wonder sometimes if we ask too much or the wrong things from our police.  I can tell you that the largest line item on our local budget is our share of our regional police department.  But should they have to do DARE, should we have put defibrillators in their cars and asked them to do first aid.  Should they be deescalating domestic conflicts or should that be social workers or counselors?  Are they the right people to deal with the opiate crisis or should that be health counselors etc.  

13 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

You’re too late - we are commenced.

I am available next year.  

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Cities arent people, corporations legally yes, cities no so...

Having said that i doubt " people" protesting will beg the police to come back and shoot them with rubber bullets nor deserve a raise for doing so.

Cops exist to protect domestic capital interests and serve those in control of those capital interest.

Cities are capital for those in control when cops are called into to use force they do so to protect capital interest bot the peoples interest.

If the police were protecting and serving the people the protesters they would be marching with them and protecting them from those trying to disrupt discredit and incite violence in  Instead the cops and national guard are disrupting discrediting and inciting violence.

Dont fool yourself into thinking cops exist to protect society. They exist to protect capital.

 

You keep saying this but doing so does not make it true.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

I do wonder sometimes if we ask too much or the wrong things from our police.  I can tell you that the largest line item on our local budget is our share of our regional police department.  But should they have to do DARE, should we have put defibrillators in their cars and asked them to do first aid.  Should they be deescalating domestic conflicts or should that be social workers or counselors?  Are they the right people to deal with the opiate crisis or should that be health counselors etc.  

I am available next year.  

Yes, but you will always be a Texan. That disqualifies you in New Mexico.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

All they had to post was this (sorry didn’t mean to offend anyone just this is what i thought of when i read that)

 

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I do wonder sometimes if we ask too much or the wrong things from our police.  I can tell you that the largest line item on our local budget is our share of our regional police department.  But should they have to do DARE, should we have put defibrillators in their cars and asked them to do first aid.  Should they be deescalating domestic conflicts or should that be social workers or counselors?  Are they the right people to deal with the opiate crisis or should that be health counselors etc.  

I am available next year.  

Those are good points.  I have always always associated DARE with the police. I'm an 80s child so I think I was around for the infant stages of it.  Also McGruff the crime dog.  How much money here in York is spent on the drug that revives victims of OD?  That's part of the police budget too.  Should people that OD be a police issue or an EMT issue?

 

39 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

The issue goes beyond Ms Trump, WSU, and commencement speeches. The Woke left is adopting fascist strategies designed to stifle speech that they do not agree with.

Stifling speech??? Did i miss somethinh? Did WSU students kid nap ivanka and forcefully silence her???

Nope they said we choose not to listen to your speech, thanks but no thanks.

If Hitler was the commencement speaker at a  school and the majority of students and faculty said no thanks we dont want to give him a platform because we dont like his views would you complain hitlers 1st amendment rights had been violated?

What if bernie sanders was invited to speak at trump university and the students said Nah we dont like socialist commies, would you say Bernies first amendment rights had been infringed upon.

The first amendment doesnt give one the freedom to force others to listen to ones speech. I can walk away i can talk over you i can choose not to give you a platform in which to speak. Ivanka still has the ability to talk to whoever she wants whenever she wants we dont have to listen or make sure people are listening or force people to be in a place to listen to her. Procuring a place venue or platform or audience to be heard is on the onus of the speaker not the the hearers. Somebody at WSU invited her to speak im going to guess some one with ties to the Koch brothers and the faculty and students said we dont think so lets draft a petition and democratically initiate the process of uninviting her. Democracy in action. Mind you this happened in Wichita a school whose influence the koch brothers are one of the GOPs biggest donors and influencers. This didnt happen in berkeley this happened in the middle of a very republican conservative region.

Whats it say when students and faculty from that still dont want to hear ivanka speak?

Its not a liberal conspiracy or an adopted right wing extremist tactic, its just a bunch of people in the middle of the USA that arent interested in ivanka speaking at their college because they dont agree with her views. Whether they should agree or not is beside the point and nothing to do with rights abd whether its right or wrong is subjective.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Stifling speech??? Did i miss somethinh? Did WSU students kid nap ivanka and forcefully silence her???

Nope they said we choose not to listen to your speech, thanks but no thanks.

If Hitler was the commencement speaker at a  school and the majority of students and faculty said no thanks we dont want to give him a platform because we dont like his views would you complain hitlers 1st amendment rights had been violated?

What if bernie sanders was invited to speak at trump university and the students said Nah we dont like socialist commies, would you say Bernies first amendment rights had been infringed upon.

The first amendment doesnt give one the freedom to force others to listen to ones speech. I can walk away i can talk over you i can choose not to give you a platform in which to speak. Ivanka still has the ability to talk to whoever she wants whenever she wants we dont have to listen or make sure people are listening or force people to be in a place to listen to her. Procuring a place venue or platform or audience to be heard is on the onus of the speaker not the the hearers. Somebody at WSU invited her to speak im going to guess some one with ties to the Koch brothers and the faculty and students said we dont think so lets draft a petition and democratically initiate the process of uninviting her. Democracy in action. Mind you this happened in Wichita a school whose influence the koch brothers are one of the GOPs biggest donors and influencers. This didnt happen in berkeley this happened in the middle of a very republican conservative region.

Whats it say when students and faculty from that still dont want to hear ivanka speak?

Its not a liberal conspiracy or an adopted right wing extremist tactic, its just a bunch of people in the middle of the USA that arent interested in ivanka speaking at their college because they dont agree with her views. Whether they should agree or not is beside the point and nothing to do with rights abd whether its right or wrong is subjective.

Did you not read my first sentence?

39 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I do wonder sometimes if we ask too much or the wrong things from our police.  I can tell you that the largest line item on our local budget is our share of our regional police department.  But should they have to do DARE, should we have put defibrillators in their cars and asked them to do first aid.  Should they be deescalating domestic conflicts or should that be social workers or counselors?  Are they the right people to deal with the opiate crisis or should that be health counselors etc.  

I am available next year.  

absolutely ask too much and the wrong things, theyre asked to be social workers medical first responders negotiators ect and the majority of their training is how to enforce the law, sometimes through violent means.

Its not fair to them to expect them to do all these different things and. Wear 50 different hats and its not fair to expect them or ask them to be trained in all that.

A barber receives more training to be a barber than a cop does to be a cop.

Which might explain why people trust their barber more than local law enforcement😊

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Did you not read my first sentence?

Its not about stifling free speech. Stifling free speech is attacking and discrediting the media then literally attacking them on the streets. Thats stifling free speech.

Democratically  uninviting someone to not speak anywhere isnt stifling free speech, if anything its freedom of speech in action. One could say its stifling speech but freedom of speech and speech arent the same.

29 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

You keep saying this but doing so does not make it true.

100s of years history of policing in america would suggest it is.

Just because you say it isnt doesnt make it so.