51 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

Honest question: Do you really, truly believe that cops are placing bricks just so they can later be thrown at us? Do you really, truly believe that cops are the ones busting out store windows with hammers?

Ive seen video of people who have been identified as cops breaking windows using hammers.Its actually an old tactic used far back as civil rights movements where those being protested against covertly damage property or perform  acts of violence to justify using force against protestors. Ive seem pallets of bricks precariously placed in the pathway of protestors. Theyre called bait bricks, whether its police forces placing them or other entities there purpose is to incite violence so equal force can be justified. These arent tin hat foil conspiracies and claimed as such are an attempt to discredit ones account of them. Whether you are aware of covert happenings and purposes behind them doesnt discredit their authenticity 

Ive seen cops hug protesters, ive seen cops kneel with them, ive seen other cops call out other cops bad behavior ive seen people throw things at cops and people break windows and start fires and engage in violence with cops and seen cops act with equal and unequal force.

If the media is lying to me than its all lies, cops arent hugging protestors or kneeling with them, when cant pick and choose what is happening because it suits ones narrative, well one can but its disingenuous. The truth always lies some where in the middle in all the grey, where its more difficult to discern.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Ive seen video of people who have been identified as cops breaking windows using hammers.Its actually an old tactic used far back as civil rights movements where those being protested against covertly damage property or perform  acts of violence to justify using force against protestors. Ive seem pallets of bricks precariously placed in the pathway of protestors. Theyre called bait bricks, whether its police forces placing them or other entities there purpose is to incite violence so equal force can be justified. These arent tin hat foil conspiracies and claimed as such are an attempt to discredit ones account of them. Whether you are aware of covert happenings and purposes behind them doesnt discredit their authenticity 

Ive seen cops hug protesters, ive seen cops kneel with them, ive seen other cops call out other cops bad behavior ive seen people throw things at cops and people break windows and start fires and engage in violence with cops and seen cops act with equal and unequal force.

If the media is lying to me than its all lies, cops arent hugging protestors or kneeling with them, when cant pick and choose what is happening because it suits ones narrative, well one can but its disingenuous. The truth always lies some where in the middle in all the grey, where its more difficult to discern.

Sorry dude, your claim that "the truth always lies somewhere in the middle" is 100% completely and totally invalidated after your assertion that cops are placing bricks to later be used against themselves. Also, I'd love to see this video of identified cops breaking windows with hammers. 

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Hear that @Giddyunc just listen to this guy and you’ll be the best cop ever... 

ya know stop working overtime setting up pallets of bricks because you are definitely doing that... oh yeah and wait until it becomes chaos to start shooting rubber bullets... and ya know every cop is doing that...

damn I generally find most cops to have some sort of complex but the amount of disrespect they get is surreal 

Some one on this board told me a few days ago that respect is earned not given.

Should i give my respect to cops because they represent authority and every good boy and girl from day one is taught tk respect authority regardless if theyve earned it. I dont disrespect cops i disrespect their disrespectful actions. 

I know what ive seen with my own eyes. Like i said if the media is lying to me than they are also lying about cops that are hugging protesters or kneeling with them, cant have it both ways.

 

Roughly 7750 hours to go.

34 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

Sorry dude, your claim that "the truth always lies somewhere in the middle" is 100% completely and totally invalidated after your assertion that cops are placing bricks to later be used against themselves. Also, I'd love to see this video of identified cops breaking windows with hammers. 

Like i said the truth is somewhere in the middle. Pallets of bricks are being placed in known paths of protests. By cops, anarchist, antifa, white supremacists? Who knows but if it not cops than why arent cops removing them? And why are they precariously placed next to a road where protestors are going to be. Do cops think rioters are going to use them to rebuild the buildings they burn down??? They are there as bait. Whether you are aware of their existence or purpose doesnt mean they arent there or that they arent there for a specific purpose. To bait protestors into throwing them to justify responding with equal or more force. As for breaking windows theres a guy in minneapolis that bust out a bunch of windows at an auto zone, the auto zone was the first building to be vandalized in the area, the guy was caught on tape by a bunch of protestors and later identified as a police officer. He was dressed in black wearing a gas mask carrying an umbrella and carrying a hammer and tried to sneak away unseen. The police department denies he was a cop, which is debatable his purpose though shouldnt be as whoever he he was his purpose was to incite violence, or what is referred to as a provacatuer. There is another video of two cops in seattle breaking windows after curfew of an office building, for what purpose who knows, looks like the dude was just bored either way not conducive to the message of serve and protect.

Like i said if these are fabrications from the media or others than so are the accounts and video of cops hugging and kneeling with protestors, would you like to see videos of those or do you take my word and believe when those accounts paint cops in a good light?

I really hope you are safe im sorry if it seems im giving you a hard time im sure its not welcome after dealing with the chaos going on around you. Its sleepy time for me.I hope you have a good night i appreciate the opportunity to be able to wrangle with some if my beliefs with a cop and realize that can be uncomfortable on both ends and i also realize that my written tone can often be perceived as abrasive and its something im working to improve to be able to have more effective positive conversations with people in an effort to find common ground and solidarity. For now i think that common ground is that we both hope you are safe!

19 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Roughly 7750 hours to go.

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Like i said the truth is somewhere in the middle. Pallets of bricks are being placed in known paths of protests. By cops, anarchist, antifa, white supremacists? Who knows but if it not cops than why arent cops removing them? And why are they precariously placed next to a road where protestors are going to be. Do cops think rioters are going to use them to rebuild the buildings they burn down??? They are there as bait. Whether you are aware of their existence or purpose doesnt mean they arent there or that they arent there for a specific purpose. To bait protestors into throwing them to justify responding with equal or more force. As for breaking windows theres a guy in minneapolis that bust out a bunch of windows at an auto zone, the auto zone was the first building to be vandalized in the area, the guy was caught on tape by a bunch of protestors and later identified as a police officer. He was dressed in black wearing a gas mask carrying an umbrella and carrying a hammer and tried to sneak away unseen. The police department denies he was a cop, which is debatable his purpose though shouldnt be as whoever he he was his purpose was to incite violence, or what is referred to as a provacatuer. There is another video of two cops in seattle breaking windows after curfew of an office building, for what purpose who knows, looks like the dude was just bored either way not conducive to the message of serve and protect.

Like i said if these are fabrications from the media or others than so are the accounts and video of cops hugging and kneeling with protestors, would you like to see videos of those or do you take my word and believe when those accounts paint cops in a good light?

I really hope you are safe im sorry if it seems im giving you a hard time im sure its not welcome after dealing with the chaos going on around you. Its sleepy time for me.I hope you have a good night i appreciate the opportunity to be able to wrangle with some if my beliefs with a cop and realize that can be uncomfortable on both ends and i also realize that my written tone can often be perceived as abrasive and its something im working to improve to be able to have more effective positive conversations with people in an effort to find common ground and solidarity. For now i think that common ground is that we both hope you are safe!

I appreciate the kind words but they're totally unnecessary. I'm not looking for praise, pity, applause, or sympathy. Empathy, on the other hand, is always welcomed. 

I will say this though...it's quite a stretch to not know where a pallet of bricks comes from and conclude that the cops put them there. Also, whenever you get a chance, I'd love to see the videos of cops breaking windows with hammers. 

Anyway, good night everyone and Go Birds.

We can’t even agree if we should trade our best offensive weapon, or if Wentz in better than Foles, and you guys think it’s a good idea to talk politics? 😂😂

1 hour ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Roughly 7750 hours to go.

 Best update I’ve heard in months 

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 Best update I’ve heard in months 

At least it vaguely had something to do with Eagles football.

26 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

At least it vaguely had something to do with Eagles football.

Oh it was about Eagles football? Take that to TATE. 
 

But I was being serious with the first comment. I always look forward to the draft. 

2 hours ago, blindside said:

We can’t even agree if we should trade our best offensive weapon, or if Wentz in better than Foles, and you guys think it’s a good idea to talk politics? 😂😂

Only a conservative would argue that Foles is better than Wentz. 

4 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

Only a conservative would argue that Foles is better than Wentz. 

Only a liberal would say something silly like that.

12 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I agree with your second assertion.  However, it does not need to be provided by a speaker who creates vitriol among the majority of the attendees.

Regarding your first assertion... NFW.  Tell the graduates and the parents of the graduates that commencement is optional.  That the milestone after four years of work is not really all that big of a deal.  As a parent of three college graduates, it was never an option.  

I attended my university commencement as an undergrad as favor to my parents... they wanted to sit there for my 5 seconds of fame.  It was 3 hours long, and was never really about the graduates.  It was mostly about the guy getting his honorary PhD.  It was inside an un-air conditioned gym at Drexel and was 90plus degrees outside, and about 100plus inside.  I skipped my Masters ceremony entirely.

 

It's a big deal to some, not all.

And what  did corporate America learn from the tax payers bailouts ?

Exactly, nothing...we just did it again.

Ironically many of those crying about socialism,  couldn't wait to cash their 1200.00 check.

7 hours ago, Utebird said:

Some one on this board told me a few days ago that respect is earned not given.

Should i give my respect to cops because they represent authority and every good boy and girl from day one is taught tk respect authority regardless if theyve earned it. I dont disrespect cops i disrespect their disrespectful actions. 

I know what ive seen with my own eyes. Like i said if the media is lying to me than they are also lying about cops that are hugging protesters or kneeling with them, cant have it both ways.

 

You know the stories about brick placement from both extremes has been debunked by solid, old fashioned journalism, not talking head journalism. Building permits, history showing placement well before the death of Floyd etc.   Please, sit back and think how irrational it would be for the police to place objects that could seriously hurt or kill them.  Throwing water bottles, bricks or anything at the police is assault just like beating a prone person with a baton is.  Frayed tempers on both sides of the line and behavior that neither side wants to see.  We have also seen plenty of instances where those actions were charged on both sides.  That is a step in the right direction. For every picture I have seen of poor behavior by police, I have seen pictures of protestors, masks off or down screaming in the face of police that are just standing.  In a pandemic.  No one has that right.  That is precariously close to what Justice Douglas meant when he referenced yelling "fire” in a crowded theatre.

I was taught that it is appropriate to question authority but respectfully.  I find it so disjointed that a person who spouts socialism speaks so strongly about the police.  To some degree, and probably more than it should be, police are a social program. I find it disjointed that a person who calls all Democrats and Republicans crooks wants the government more involved in social programs.  

16 hours ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Yeah, I think workers deserve more than they get.  Likewise, without the workers, the owner would not have a product.  I am amused that you immediately use a fast food worker as your example rather than a heavy machine operator, HVAC installer, underground miner, and so forth.  

So workers "deserve more than they get"? And you know this because you have done an evaluation on workers everywhere? Here's a little wisdom (possibly) from a guy that has  managed people for roughly 40 years of his life (and the last 20 in a 100% esop company) I have workers that deserve less than they get, I have workers that deserve more than they get, and I have workers that deserve exactly what they get. So this whole BS idea that all workers need to get raises is beyond stupid and only helps to finance the lazy. Even in an environment where the worker is the owner and get's a nice fat cash bonus, 401k match, and esop contributions at the end of each year dependent on how the company does, we still have people that are less than motivated to show up to work and work when they are there. Don't give me that workers deserve more because some just don't.

BTW without  owners the employees don't have jobs and if the owner doesn't feel it's profitable enough they'll take their money and invest it somewhere else.

7 hours ago, blindside said:

We can’t even agree if we should trade our best offensive weapon, or if Wentz in better than Foles, and you guys think it’s a good idea to talk politics? 😂😂

Overall, Wentz is better than Foles but in some aspects, Foles is better than Wentz.  I’ll bet Hurts is better than both of them running the ball.  And who has said anything about trading Kelce. 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I attended my university commencement as an undergrad as favor to my parents... they wanted to sit there for my 5 seconds of fame.  It was 3 hours long, and was never really about the graduates.  It was mostly about the guy getting his honorary PhD.  It was inside an un-air conditioned gym at Drexel and was 90plus degrees outside, and about 100plus inside.  I skipped my Masters ceremony entirely.

 

It's a big deal to some, not all.

My high school class was close to a thousand kids. My sister had graduated two years earlier from the same school and we sat for hours in the sweltering heat in Texas.  When I announced to my parents I had no desire to go to my graduation, they were fine with it.  My sister and I never went to any of our graduation ceremonies thereafter.  I did go to my kids. But honestly if either had said they didn’t want to go, I would have let them make their own decision and I think my wife would have agreed as well. 

9 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

Im sorry, when there’s literally a twitter thread with hundreds of videos showing cops attacking peaceful protestors, you can’t make the claim that cops are not also at fault. It may not be started by officers 100% of the time, but one altercation started by an officer is already one too many, and it’s much more than one. 

Now post all the vids of the violent protestors and looters...

15 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I'm a ruthless, call it radical, supporter of capitalism.  I'll entertain notions left, right, or center on any other issue.  But stay out of the free markets and keep my taxes low.  

Despite my "radicalism," am I inherently right in this?  Heck no.  This is no utopia.  Aside from those stale old economists you can quote against capitalism...let's go older school than that.  I'm a Christian.  The Bible isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of capitalism.  I don't think being selfish, ruthless, keeping all your money, and ignoring the less fortunate is any way to go through life.  But that's a personal decision.  Just as we have the separation of Church and State, I support a (at least a little) separation of economy from intense morality.  It's an individual's decision on how to be (or not to be) generous with their money.

I cannot fathom living in a country in which I did not agree with their economic system, unless I was detained there by force.  Either you benefit from capitalism, won't acknowledge it, and hypocritically campaign for something else to assuage your conscience...or you like it...or you should get out.  There are people dying daily trying to get in here to be a part of this economy; it's not hard at all to leave.  

We may not be #1 in average literacy, average math, "happiness scales," vacation time, or any number of other metrics, but we do represent the best possible opportunity at the top end for nearly every single high-end career path under the sun.  The US is the stockpile of the world's intellectual capital, in large part due to this economy.   

 

I'm not sure the Bible endorses any real type of government other than Theocracy. That said I agree with what you have said here. From what I read we are to be generous with our money and help the poor but specifically in the New Testament giving is not to be by "compulsion".  Also in the New Testament Jesus teaches that we are to pay our taxes. I have always been willing to pay my taxes but as a few here have said I'm not always in agreement with where the money goes.

What does this boil down to in my life? I try to pay as little as possible in taxes (legally) but I don't cheat or lie on my tax forms. But I also feel lead by God to give money in other ways and to people in need around me and in my church and sometimes I feel lead to give of my time. Am I rich? no, but I'm okay able to pay my bills and have leftover income both for me and to help others that are in need.

Hopefully what I said makes sense to everyone.

14 hours ago, Utebird said:

Cities arent people, corporations legally yes, cities no so...

Having said that i doubt " people" protesting will beg the police to come back and shoot them with rubber bullets nor deserve a raise for doing so.

Cops exist to protect domestic capital interests and serve those in control of those capital interest.

Cities are capital for those in control when cops are called into to use force they do so to protect capital interest bot the peoples interest.

If the police were protecting and serving the people the protesters they would be marching with them and protecting them from those trying to disrupt discredit and incite violence in  Instead the cops and national guard are disrupting discrediting and inciting violence.

Dont fool yourself into thinking cops exist to protect society. They exist to protect capital.

 

That's funny I have watch a lot of live Cop shows over the years and I can't ever remember a 911 call where they asked the victim or the person calling any question at all about their capital worth.

Without cops there would be chaos and you keep repeating the same crap over and over but when you call the cops they show up and they try and help you if they can rich or poor. 

Not all cops are good though just like people of all colors and race, some are good some are bad.

17 minutes ago, greend said:

So workers "deserve more than they get"? And you know this because you have done an evaluation on workers everywhere? Here's a little wisdom (possibly) from a guy that has  managed people for roughly 40 years of his life (and the last 20 in a 100% esop company) I have workers that deserve less than they get, I have workers that deserve more than they get, and I have workers that deserve exactly what they get. So this whole BS idea that all workers need to get raises is beyond stupid and only helps to finance the lazy. Even in an environment where the worker is the owner and get's a nice fat cash bonus, 401k match, and esop contributions at the end of each year dependent on how the company does, we still have people that are less than motivated to show up to work and work when they are there. Don't give me that workers deserve more because some just don't.

BTW without  owners the employees don't have jobs and if the owner doesn't feel it's profitable enough they'll take their money and invest it somewhere else.

Yeah, I mange people too.  It can be difficult and frustrating, equally exuberant and rewarding.  I was the co-owner of a small business as well which we ended up selling to a couple of our employees.  Our opinions differ.

All the points youake about employees and people you manage can also apply to ownership.  Norman Braman is a good example, as is Leonard Tose, but for different reasons.

Raises may not be the only manner to work through this.  Honest performance bonuses, annual bonuses, more paid time off, bonuses for workers when sales and revenue targets are met, not just for the management team.  So many more opportunities are available. Its discouraging to read such limited expressions of why things shouldn't change for blue collar workers.  Disheartening really.

 

12 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

Cause we didn’t let them abort. 

The only solution folks kill the baby fetus. Mom can only exercise control of her body after she gets pregnant. 

6 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Yeah, I mange people too.  It can be difficult and frustrating, equally exuberant and rewarding.  I was the co-owner of a small business as well which we ended up selling to a couple of our employees.  Our opinions differ.

All the points youake about employees and people you manage can also apply to ownership.  Norman Braman is a good example, as is Leonard Tose, but for different reasons.

Raises may not be the only manner to work through this.  Honest performance bonuses, annual bonuses, more paid time off, bonuses for workers when sales and revenue targets are met, not just for the management team.  So many more opportunities are available. Its discouraging to read such limited expressions of why things shouldn't change for blue collar workers.  Disheartening really.

 

If you feel the company you work for pays unfairly then move on or try and do something about it, seriously. I'm 100% happy with they way my company rewards those that deserve it for the most part and even people who don't deserve it get rewarded because of the esop.

Not looking for further regulations so that "everyone" makes more money.