8 minutes ago, greend said:

I'm not sure the Bible endorses any real type of government other than Theocracy. That said I agree with what you have said here. From what I read we are to be generous with our money and help the poor but specifically in the New Testament giving is not to be by "compulsion".  Also in the New Testament Jesus teaches that we are to pay our taxes. I have always been willing to pay my taxes but as a few here have said I'm not always in agreement with where the money goes.

What does this boil down to in my life? I try to pay as little as possible in taxes (legally) but I don't cheat or lie on my tax forms. But I also feel lead by God to give money in other ways and to people in need around me and in my church and sometimes I feel lead to give of my time. Am I rich? no, but I'm okay able to pay my bills and have leftover income both for me and to help others that are in need.

Hopefully what I said makes sense to everyone.

I am pretty much like you in this regard.  I not only pay my taxes, I would pay more, if needed yet I too do not always agree with where the money is spent.

I also try to give money and help where I can. I was brought up that way.  I have alway liked this verse (I like the NIV better than the KJV) which is probably why I support programs that combat poverty: 
 

Mark 10:42-45 NIV

Jesus called them together and said, "You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

7 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

At least it vaguely had something to do with Eagles football.

I'd love an update on Brandon Brooks shoulder, Jordan Mailata's back, Joe Ostman and DaeShon Hall's knees.  Has JJAW transformed his body at all and actually lost his baby fat?  What's Greg Ward doing to take the next step?  Are any of the young OL such as Herbig or Opeta ready to compete for serious backup roles?

 

9 hours ago, Giddyunc said:

Again, what's the context? I'll give a personal example. This has happened a lot recently. Someone in a crowd throws something that could seriously hurt a cop. That person is "protected" by the group of protesters in front of him. It's too dangerous to rush into the crowd to apprehend him. That person is then marked. This could be done by aviation (if the Department has helicopters) or by a spotter. Eyes are kept on this individual. It might be an hour later, well after the initial incident, and he is then in a position where it'd be safe for the cops to arrest him. Happens all the time. 

The context is there are aggressive cops using the protests as some sort of excuse to hulk out on protestors. You mentioned videos that don't show the whole truth. Well they're out there. Check out the thread in CVON. There's plenty of videos of all sides

51 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Now post all the vids of the violent protestors and looters...

Missing the point? I said it’s been on both sides. However officers need to be held to a higher standard than a citizen. They cannot start the altercations. 
 

Once again, you don’t have to be all in on one side or the other. No one is perfect, it’s okay to admit your "side” makes mistakes too. If you can look at a few of those vids and can’t see fault with some officers then we have no reason to discuss this further. 

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'd love an update on Brandon Brooks shoulder, Jordan Mailata's back, Joe Ostman and DaeShon Hall's knees.  Has JJAW transformed his body at all and actually lost his baby fat?  What's Greg Ward doing to take the next step?  Are any of the young OL such as Herbig or Opeta ready to compete for serious backup roles?

 

The Eagles have been quiet as a tomb on these injuries.

Or maybe since no one goes to their site any more we aren't seeing it.

19 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'd love an update on Brandon Brooks shoulder, Jordan Mailata's back, Joe Ostman and DaeShon Hall's knees.  Has JJAW transformed his body at all and actually lost his baby fat?  What's Greg Ward doing to take the next step?  Are any of the young OL such as Herbig or Opeta ready to compete for serious backup roles?

 

I think speculation here is going to be pretty accurate.

Brooks...fine.

Mailata's back....up for debate, but I think it's fair to be concerned.  

Ostman/Hall...they may not even make the roster if healthy.  We've got bigger questions.

JJAW...don't count on it.

The Ward/OL questions can only be answered  in TC/preseason.  

5 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

The Eagles have been quiet as a tomb on these injuries.

Or maybe since no one goes to their site any more we aren't seeing it.

Just popped over there to see if anything worth clicking.  Nope.

1. Pro Football Hall of Fame honors Eagles team photographer Kiel Leggere
2. Even in virtual world, Eagles display the kind of leadership that leads to success
3. NovaCare Complex, Lincoln Financial Field set to re-open with limited employees Monday
4. Statement from Jeffrey Lurie, Chairman/CEO
5. Jalen Hurts named Big 12 Male Athlete of the Year
6. 10 questions to consider for 2020 Eagles
7. Ray Didinger recalls The House of Pain Game
8. What 'The Last Dance' means for 2020 Eagles
9. Brandon Graham shares what the Eagles' advantage is in the virtual offseason

11 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

Geez, I'm getting old. I had to look up "doxxed".

Don't worry, I did as well and I am 29... I am computer challenged though

14 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Yeah, I mange people too.  It can be difficult and frustrating, equally exuberant and rewarding.  I was the co-owner of a small business as well which we ended up selling to a couple of our employees.  Our opinions differ.

All the points youake about employees and people you manage can also apply to ownership.  Norman Braman is a good example, as is Leonard Tose, but for different reasons.

Raises may not be the only manner to work through this.  Honest performance bonuses, annual bonuses, more paid time off, bonuses for workers when sales and revenue targets are met, not just for the management team.  So many more opportunities are available. Its discouraging to read such limited expressions of why things shouldn't change for blue collar workers.  Disheartening really.

 

I managed people too.  We set goals that were achievable and we graded equally using the same metrics. Everyone was bonus eligible but the lower you were in the company, the more your salary was part of your income.  The lower tiers got their bonus if they met their goals. They could even get a partial bonus if the partially met there goals. We also had tools like performance bonuses that we could give out. We had reward points too that could be given out by any manager and even peers. Those could be used to purchase items or gift cards.

The ugly truth in a lot of corporations is the higher you are they more your income is bonus driven. I have had employees with higher salaries than mine.  For me to be bonus eligible, my corporation had to meet its goals to the satisfaction of the Board, our division did too.  Our department had to meet our goals and my area of responsibility had to meet its goals.  And of course, I had to meet my individual goals which did tie partially to my area of responsibility within the department but not entirely. Now I am not saying I haven’t seen instances of over compensation of the highest executives. I have.  

But I have also had to talk with an employee who had, as one of my bosses used to say, twenty five years of one year of experience, he was adequate but never more than barely.  The talk was basically that he had capped out for what his work was worth.  Any raises henceforth would be basically driven by inflation.  I have also had to manage people out because efforts to manage them up had failed, always from a lack of effort on their part.  As managers we had to martial our resources, one of which was our time and not spend to much on underachievers.  My dad told me when I got my first real job at fifteen (paper routes, mowing lawns and odd jobs before then) that the small businessman that gave me a job didn’t owe me that job, I owed him a good, hard, solid workday. I always tried to look at a job that way.  What did I owe my employer and what did I think they owed me in return. 

36 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

You know the stories about brick placement from both extremes has been debunked by solid, old fashioned journalism, not talking head journalism. Building permits, history showing placement well before the death of Floyd etc.   Please, sit back and think how irrational it would be for the police to place objects that could seriously hurt or kill them.  Throwing water bottles, bricks or anything at the police is assault just like beating a prone person with a baton is.  Frayed tempers on both sides of the line and behavior that neither side wants to see.  We have also seen plenty of instances where those actions were charged on both sides.  That is a step in the right direction. For every picture I have seen of poor behavior by police, I have seen pictures of protestors, masks off or down screaming in the face of police that are just standing.  In a pandemic.  No one has that right.  That is precariously close to what Justice Douglas meant when he referenced yelling "fire” in a crowded theatre.

I was taught that it is appropriate to question authority but respectfully.  I find it so disjointed that a person who spouts socialism speaks so strongly about the police.  To some degree, and probably more than it should be, police are a social program. I find it disjointed that a person who calls all Democrats and Republicans crooks wants the government more involved in social programs.  

i find it disjointed that someone with a person that has been involved in politics seems to have a pretty good grasp of history seems so oblivious about the history of police in america.

One can disagree with irresponsible immoral spending on military which is the largest socially funded entity in the world and still be in favor of responsible socially funded programs. Interesting that when i bring up social policy im spouting but when someone talks in the same vein about capitalism theyre just expressing their views.As for the police as a social program, you are correct, so are bank bail outs, corprate subsidies and lifetime health care for politicians and all the money we send to israel. Which im not sure is included in military budget. It makes me happy that my taxes continue to give israel billions of dollars to blow up palestinians but i cant get affordable healthcare for my kids😒

You know just as i do the difference between military as socialism and healthcare as Socialism lets not conflate the two.

As for more government involvement, not all politicians are democrats or republican though they may operate under that moniker. Not all social programs are run by the government. 

Canada universal health care isnt run by the government its funded by the people through collected tax by the government and managed by agencies separate of government, much like most social programs arent directly managed by the government.

The same people that decry social programs are the same people that benefit from them every day. Public roads, public water works, public schools, post office, public libraries, police department, fire department, local government, SS, medicare ect...i didnt hear anybody decrying the evils of socialism when they were cashing out their 1200$ stimulus checks!

As for questioning authority i agree. As for the bricks i disagree. I have never in my life seen a pallet of bricks just lying around unless around a construction site and even then they are secure to keep people from stealing them or damaging them. The pics ive seen one my cousin sent me from SLC where she lives was just a random pallet of bricks next to a road where protesters were planning on marching, there are no construction sites around no logical reason for a new full pallet of unused bricks in the middle of a protest march. did the police put it there? Who knows it didnt say SLCPD on it,maybe it was white supremacist or anarchists or antifa or maybe the government. The reason? To bait protesters in to engaging in violence against police so police can justify using force against civilian protestors. As for journalism again if all media lie its not logical to claim an outlier honest journalist to support ones narrative and suggest other media and journalist are crooks to disprove a narrative one doesnt agree with its not congruent.

24 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'd love an update on Brandon Brooks shoulder, Jordan Mailata's back, Joe Ostman and DaeShon Hall's knees.  Has JJAW transformed his body at all and actually lost his baby fat?  What's Greg Ward doing to take the next step?  Are any of the young OL such as Herbig or Opeta ready to compete for serious backup roles?

 

How Sydney Jones’ work with the CB guru has gone and if he took my advise and jacked his body like Rasul did last offseason. 

46 minutes ago, greend said:

That's funny I have watch a lot of live Cop shows over the years and I can't ever remember a 911 call where they asked the victim or the person calling any question at all about their capital worth.

Without cops there would be chaos and you keep repeating the same crap over and over but when you call the cops they show up and they try and help you if they can rich or poor. 

Not all cops are good though just like people of all colors and race, some are good some are bad.

Never suggested there is no need for cops, never suggested protecting corporate capital was their only function nor did i claim all cops are bad or useless. 

Cop shows dont generally show cops engaged in bad behavior so...

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think speculation here is going to be pretty accurate.

Brooks...fine.

Mailata's back....up for debate, but I think it's fair to be concerned.  

Ostman/Hall...they may not even make the roster if healthy.  We've got bigger questions.

JJAW...don't count on it.

The Ward/OL questions can only be answered  in TC/preseason.  

I want open competition for anyone not named Brandon Graham and we need to look for his replacement.  Hall proved to us last year that when he's in a game he can make plays.  I've said it all along and I'll continue to say it, I think Ostman will surprise and make this team.  I just love the way he played the game in college.  

I would love to see Josh Sweat lose his knee brace and be fully confident in his knee so he can play without thinking about it.  Want to see if Avery has anything to give or if that was a wasted 4th round pick.  What is Shareef Miller going to do in year 2?

If Derek Barnett doesn't improve I think it's time to move on from him.  Need to see him take that next step too.

DE is so intriguing to me this year.

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

How Sydney Jones’ work with the CB guru has gone and if he took my advise and jacked his body like Rasul did last offseason. 

Good one too.  What is TJ Edwards doing to get faster if anything?  Has Andre Dillard put on any muscle?  Is his lower body any stronger?

16 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

The Eagles have been quiet as a tomb on these injuries.

Or maybe since no one goes to their site any more we aren't seeing it.

Eagles are tight lipped on injuries. Have been since Doug came in. It's very annoying

7 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Never suggested there is no need for cops, never suggested protecting corporate capital was their only function nor did i claim all cops are bad or useless. 

Cop shows dont generally show cops engaged in bad behavior so...

Never said they did. What I did say with my response was that your view is kinda weird about what cops general functions are. Their primary function is to protect and serve, kinda like it says on their cruisers

It's Sidney, by the way. Not Sydney.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I want open competition for anyone not named Brandon Graham and we need to look for his replacement.  Hall proved to us last year that when he's in a game he can make plays.  I've said it all along and I'll continue to say it, I think Ostman will surprise and make this team.  I just love the way he played the game in college.  

I would love to see Josh Sweat lose his knee brace and be fully confident in his knee so he can play without thinking about it.  Want to see if Avery has anything to give or if that was a wasted 4th round pick.  What is Shareef Miller going to do in year 2?

If Derek Barnett doesn't improve I think it's time to move on from him.  Need to see him take that next step too.

DE is so intriguing to me this year.

Yup

I thino the DE position has a lot of questions. They have put a lot of resources into DE and have a lot to show for it.

Can Sweat take another step forward or is he what he is at this point?

Will Shareef Miller ever get on the field, will Schwartz ever let Hall play?

I like Ostman as well, i thought he had a real shot at carving out a situational role in the D before he got hurt.

Barnett is approaching disappointment status, as the 14th pick he needs to show more.

Avery looks to be a bad trade so far. A 4th is a lot for a guy thats riding the pine all game. If his snaps continue on the path of digression he was a wasted pick.

Hopefully one or two of them can show up.

Hopefully howie doesnt re neg and bring back curry.

Not that i dont like curry i just dont think he has much to offer.

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup

I thino the DE position has a lot of questions. They have put a lot of resources into DE and have a lot to show for it.

Can Sweat take another step forward or is he what he is at this point?

Will Shareef Miller ever get on the field, will Schwartz ever let Hall play?

I like Ostman as well, i thought he had a real shot at carving out a situational role in the D before he got hurt.

Barnett is approaching disappointment status, as the 14th pick he needs to show more.

Avery looks to be a bad trade so far. A 4th is a lot for a guy thats riding the pine all game. If his snaps continue on the path of digression he was a wasted pick.

Hopefully one or two of them can show up.

Hopefully howie doesnt re neg and bring back curry.

Not that i dont like curry i just dont think he has much to offer.

I think we also have to have realistic expectations for certain guys.  Sweat proved last year that he is GREAT against the run.  He improved and had what 4 sacks?  I would be more than happy if he was a situational end getting 6-8 sacks plus providing great run support.  I think he has starting potential however.

Miller, Hall, Ostman, Avery our expectations should be good rotational guys.  Ostman, I think could be a great situational rusher bringing that energy against tired OL.

Barnett just needs to be healthy and better.

1 minute ago, greend said:

Never said they did. What I did say with my response was that your view is kinda weird about what cops general functions are. Their primary function is to protect and serve, kinda like it says on their cruisers

Protect and serve is a phrase coined by cops much like the dallas cowboys coined the phrase Americas team

Go look up the history and origins of police in america, why they were formed and their function. Explain to me how its much different today.

Who did killing george floyd serve and protect?

Who does shooting rubber bullets at peaceful protestors serve and protect.

Who does slashing civilian tires serve and protect

Who does america leading the world in incarceration of their own citizens majority of them minorities serve and protect?

Why do police need armored vehicles and military weapons to serve and protect. Who do they think is robbing my house, Thanos???

Who do they serve and protect when they minimize sexual assault or victim blame?

Policing in America has a lot of problems for a lot of different reasons. They and we need to take steps for positive change that benefits the people who pay them and they claim to protect and serve.

A good start would be to stop killing black people in broad day light on camera😒

23 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I want open competition for anyone not named Brandon Graham and we need to look for his replacement.  Hall proved to us last year that when he's in a game he can make plays.  I've said it all along and I'll continue to say it, I think Ostman will surprise and make this team.  I just love the way he played the game in college.  

I would love to see Josh Sweat lose his knee brace and be fully confident in his knee so he can play without thinking about it.  Want to see if Avery has anything to give or if that was a wasted 4th round pick.  What is Shareef Miller going to do in year 2?

If Derek Barnett doesn't improve I think it's time to move on from him.  Need to see him take that next step too.

DE is so intriguing to me this year.

I want open competition for everyone. Brandon Graham does not get a pass.

54 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'd love an update on Brandon Brooks shoulder, Jordan Mailata's back, Joe Ostman and DaeShon Hall's knees.  Has JJAW transformed his body at all and actually lost his baby fat?  What's Greg Ward doing to take the next step?  Are any of the young OL such as Herbig or Opeta ready to compete for serious backup roles?

 

I thought mailata’s back was a way to stash him at first but after two years I’m not so sure. 

54 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'd love an update on Brandon Brooks shoulder, Jordan Mailata's back, Joe Ostman and DaeShon Hall's knees.  Has JJAW transformed his body at all and actually lost his baby fat?  What's Greg Ward doing to take the next step?  Are any of the young OL such as Herbig or Opeta ready to compete for serious backup roles?

 

Brooks is fine. There's tons of videos on his social media of him working out. 

I cant imagine Hall being anywhere close to healthy. He tore his ACL on 12/30. Depending on how long it took for swelling to go down for surgery he's likely only 6 months removed. Probably going to start the season on PUP i'd imagine. 

2 minutes ago, greend said:

I want open competition for everyone. Brandon Graham does not get a pass.

Won't argue that, we just know what he is giving us year in and year out.  I'm OK with him penciled in as a starter.  If he gets outperformed in camp by all means, put the best men on the field. 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Protect and serve is a phrase coined by cops much like the dallas cowboys coined the phrase Americas team

Go look up the history and origins of police in america, why they were formed and their function. Explain to me how its much different today.

Who did killing george floyd serve and protect?

Who does shooting rubber bullets at peaceful protestors serve and protect.

Who does slashing civilian tires serve and protect

Who does america leading the world in incarceration of their own citizens majority of them minorities serve and protect?

Why do police need armored vehicles and military weapons to serve and protect. Who do they think is robbing my house, Thanos???

Who do they serve and protect when they minimize sexual assault or victim blame?

Policing in America has a lot of problems for a lot of different reasons. They and we need to take steps for positive change that benefits the people who pay them and they claim to protect and serve.

A good start would be to stop killing black people in broad day light on camera😒

You just said there are good and bad cops and now you lump them all together again and ask on specific individuals who do they "protect and serve"? Most of the time it's you, because as I stated without them would be chaos. Are you arguing just to argue?  Nobody anywhere in this whole thread has said that changes don't need to be made. Stop acting like cops are only there to protect the rich.