7 minutes ago, TEW said:

Yeah, I mentioned rookies a few posts later. I kind of put them in a different category. 

If talking rookies, I have a hard time envisioning any of them making a meaningful impact outside of Reagor. 

Hurts... third QB. I hope he isn’t some Taysom Hill-like player this season. 

Taylor... maybe a good special teamer. Too raw for much else. 

Wallace... likely the fourth safety and a special teamer. Could play nickel in a pinch but we’re loaded there. 

Hightower/Driscoll/Prince... deep reserves. Maybe Driscoll is the backup C.

Watkins/Bradley/Toohill ... lucky to make the roster. 

42 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If talking rookies, I have a hard time envisioning any of them making a meaningful impact outside of Reagor. 

Hurts... third QB. I hope he isn’t some Taysom Hill-like player this season. 

Taylor... maybe a good special teamer. Too raw for much else. 

Wallace... likely the fourth safety and a special teamer. Could play nickel in a pinch but we’re loaded there. 

Hightower/Driscoll/Prince... deep reserves. Maybe Driscoll is the backup C.

Watkins/Bradley/Toohill ... lucky to make the roster. 

I tend to agree, though I am very curious about how we will use Hurts. We’ve all seen those quotes about how they want to use him like Lamar Jackson on steroids.

I’m hoping Killins could flash as a return man. If so, then maybe he’s active on game day, and if that’s the case, I could see him being a low volume/high efficiency type of player. Maybe he only gets 30 touches on offense the whole season, but among them he breaks off a good number of 20+ yard plays.

4 hours ago, TEW said:

Here is my question... super bowl teams usually have a few unexpected contributors that have career years. Not necessarily breakout stars, but average veterans who play well above that level, if only for a season.

The Eagles had the likes of Agholor and Robinson up their games from serviceable veteran to impact contributor level.

Who on this roster is likely to make that kind of impact? Not a pro bowler, but a guy who plays 60+% of the snaps and actually wins you football games.

I suppose Goodwin is an obvious candidate. He a veteran who has flashed some real skill. Maybe Sidney Jones takes that leap. But I feel like you need 2-4 guys to really over-perform if you are going to win it all, and the way this roster is constructed we are either old or very young with not a lot of guys in their 3rd to 8th year with the potential to have a career year before reverting to their former selves.

The most unlikely contributions in 2017 made by any player was likely Corey Clement.  As the year went on, his role got bigger and he kept stepping up.  Without him in the Super Bowl, the Eagles don't win.  He set-up the Philly Special before halftime and made a huge TD catch.  

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

If talking rookies, I have a hard time envisioning any of them making a meaningful impact outside of Reagor. 

Hurts... third QB. I hope he isn’t some Taysom Hill-like player this season. 

Taylor... maybe a good special teamer. Too raw for much else. 

Wallace... likely the fourth safety and a special teamer. Could play nickel in a pinch but we’re loaded there. 

Hightower/Driscoll/Prince... deep reserves. Maybe Driscoll is the backup C.

Watkins/Bradley/Toohill ... lucky to make the roster. 

See above.   Just because we don't see it happening, doesn't mean it can't.  No one really saw what Corey Clement did in 2017 coming either.  But. Clement was huge in 2017, and he was a UDFA.  We'll see how this all plays out.  Of course, with a limited offseason for rookies, it seems hard to foresee a rookie replicating that at all, but it's... possible.

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The most unlikely contributions in 2017 made by any player was likely Corey Clement.  As the year went on, his role got bigger and he kept stepping up.  Without him in the Super Bowl, the Eagles don't win.  He set-up the Philly Special before halftime and made a huge TD catch.  

I agree, but again, I see rookies as a different category. I’m more talking about veterans having an outlier career year.

20 minutes ago, TEW said:

I agree, but again, I see rookies as a different category. I’m more talking about veterans having an outlier career year.

I understand.  But, the Super Bowl champs also usually have a rookie that far exceeds expectations.

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

See above.   Just because we don't see it happening, doesn't mean it can't.  No one really saw what Corey Clement did in 2017 coming either.  But. Clement was huge in 2017, and he was a UDFA.  We'll see how this all plays out.  Of course, with a limited offseason for rookies, it seems hard to foresee a rookie replicating that at all, but it's... possible.

Of course... anything is possible...

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I understand.  But, the Super Bowl champs also usually have a rookie that far exceeds expectations.

Agreed. I just see that as a different kind of player. Rookie vs veteran.

The other difference is that rookies with big first years tend to stick around as good players whereas the veteran with a career year is truly experiencing an outlier situation (though generally with some circumstances that make sense in retrospective; contract year, scheme fit, health, etc).

11 minutes ago, TEW said:

Agreed. I just see that as a different kind of player. Rookie vs veteran.

The other difference is that rookies with big first years tend to stick around as good players whereas the veteran with a career year is truly experiencing an outlier situation (though generally with some circumstances that make sense in retrospective; contract year, scheme fit, health, etc).

True... but then there's the one offs.... Timmy Smith, et all.

40 minutes ago, TEW said:

I agree, but again, I see rookies as a different category. I’m more talking about veterans having an outlier career year.

As far as the profile you're proposing, I can imagine a few possibilities. I can envision a scenario where Rasul Douglas comes out of nowhere to pick up 5 or 6 interceptions. I can imagine Barnett emerging as a double digit sack guy. Or maybe Sweat is a guy who gets 8 sacks in a part time role. Maybe Malik Jackson comes back from injury and stands out again. Or how about Boston Scott contributing 400 yards on the ground along with 35-50 pass receptions? 

I'm also convinced that I'm the biggest Arcega-Whiteside supporter in here, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if he puts up good numbers.

12 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

As far as the profile you're proposing, I can imagine a few possibilities. I can envision a scenario where Rasul Douglas comes out of nowhere to pick up 5 or 6 interceptions. I can imagine Barnett emerging as a double digit sack guy. Or maybe Sweat is a guy who gets 8 sacks in a part time role. Maybe Malik Jackson comes back from injury and stands out again. Or how about Boston Scott contributing 400 yards on the ground along with 35-50 pass receptions? 

I'm also convinced that I'm the biggest Arcega-Whiteside supporter in here, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if he puts up good numbers.

Out of curiosity, what do you see as good numbers?

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Out of curiosity, what do you see as good numbers?

Strictly ballparking it...let's say about 700 yards, 7 TDs. 

My dark horse contributor for 2020 is NRC. Hoping that his nickel CB play is on par with Patrick Robinson's in 2017. Him and Slay will take the load off of whoever winds up at CB2. NRC has a career year, 4-5 INTs, and the Eagles secondary is Top 7-10 by years end.

43 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Strictly ballparking it...let's say about 700 yards, 7 TDs. 

I would be fine with 500 yards if they were high impact. 7 TDs and a high proportion of 3rd down conversions would be perfectly acceptable to me, given that he will likely be on the field for less than 50% of the offensive snaps. You have to figure he's fighting to take snaps away from Goedert and Reagor as the 4th receiving option  assuming that Howie is being halfway honest in how they view Alshon.  And even if Alshon is out injured/traded/cut, JJaw will still be fighting with one of those two plus a bunch of other young guys, plus Goodwin.

The only way I see JJaw putting up more than 500 yards is if we have a ton of injuries or he flat out wins a starting WR spot over Alshon and Reagor.

8 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The most unlikely contributions in 2017 made by any player was likely Corey Clement.  As the year went on, his role got bigger and he kept stepping up.  Without him in the Super Bowl, the Eagles don't win.  He set-up the Philly Special before halftime and made a huge TD catch.  

Also had a huge catch and run with a nice stiff arm thrown in that set up the Philly Special. 

1 hour ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Also had a huge catch and run with a nice stiff arm thrown in that set up the Philly Special. 

That's what I mean when I say he set up the Philly Special.  Lol

9 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

As far as the profile you're proposing, I can imagine a few possibilities. I can envision a scenario where Rasul Douglas comes out of nowhere to pick up 5 or 6 interceptions. I can imagine Barnett emerging as a double digit sack guy. Or maybe Sweat is a guy who gets 8 sacks in a part time role. Maybe Malik Jackson comes back from injury and stands out again. Or how about Boston Scott contributing 400 yards on the ground along with 35-50 pass receptions? 

I'm also convinced that I'm the biggest Arcega-Whiteside supporter in here, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if he puts up good numbers.

I’d give Boston Scott a chance there.  I think the others are nearly impossible.

Sweat...maybe a better shot than impossible.

A couple defensive players I’d really like to see come in is another DE and a linebacker. I really like Avery Williamson. It’s just too bad his contract is not going to be good for us around 8 mil. I’m not sure if you trade for him if the Jets can add money or something can be manipulated financially to maybe knock him down to around 4 mil, which I think would be more in our price range. While I like him, I’m just not comfortable handing the reigns over to TJ Edwards right now. Williamson is pretty good and only 28. Maybe he’s a good bridge guy to Edwards the following year or if he plays well, an extension candidate. 

DE, I've always really like Vinny. He had a god under the radar tear last year too. He shouldn’t cost all that much and can step right in when needed. Though I’d prefer a guy like Clowney, he’s just going to cost too much and he has shown some inconsistency and injuries throughout his career. Griffen is very  interesting too, he’s not Clowney, but he’s pretty darn good and would really solidify the end position. It would remind me of when we traded for Bennett. Again though, what does he want contract wise? I’d go around 8-10 mil for a year or two. 
 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's what I mean when I say he set up the Philly Special.  Lol

My bad. I misread your post, and thought you were reffering to his part in the play itself.

13 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

My bad. I misread your post, and thought you were reffering to his part in the play itself.

Nah... anyone could have flipped the ball to Burton (or should be able to).  

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah... anyone could have flipped the ball to Burton (or should be able to).  

True. I liked his acting job he did putting his hands up when Foles went behind Lane to act like he was confused.

23 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’d give Boston Scott a chance there.  I think the others are nearly impossible.

Sweat...maybe a better shot than impossible.

I'm pretty high on Sweat, but this does seem like a critical year for him. Year one redshirt, year two serviceable backup, now in year three he should be challenging the starters for snaps. I think 6-8 sacks and good run defense on 40-50% of the defensive snaps is an ambitious but realistic goal for him.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I’d give Boston Scott a chance there.  I think the others are nearly impossible.

Sweat...maybe a better shot than impossible.

To be clear, I didn't suggest that I was expecting those thresholds. I'm not. I'm just imagining a world where those things could happen. And I don't think a double digit sack year from Barnett is that implausible. 

On 6/12/2020 at 10:06 AM, Utebird said:

No love for Al Harris???😞

love Al Harris. Shame we flipped him for Jerome McDougle... With Polamolu on the board 😞

20 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

To be clear, I didn't suggest that I was expecting those thresholds. I'm not. I'm just imagining a world where those things could happen. And I don't think a double digit sack year from Barnett is that implausible. 

If Hargrave, Jackson and Cox are as good as we hope, I expect the DEs will be productive due to a collapsed pocket. I could see Graham finish with 8-10 sacks, Barnett with 7-9, Sweat and Avery with a combined 7-8 sacks.