31 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Ryan Moats was tough to handle as a fan. The dude certainly had running talent, but almost 100% of his big plays were around the outside. That was really all he ever tried to do. The guy had no running vision at all, and instinctively, habitually, and constantly bounced everything wide. It was maddening. I also remember some ESPN dude saying he was better than Westbrook after some game where he had a couple nice runs.

We've had a couple of running backs here who appeared they could be weapons but either the coaches didn't use them right, injuries took place or they just were a flash in the pan.  Off the top of my head...

Ryan Moats

Bryce Brown

Chris Polk

 

38 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Ryan Moats was tough to handle as a fan. The dude certainly had running talent, but almost 100% of his big plays were around the outside. That was really all he ever tried to do. The guy had no running vision at all, and instinctively, habitually, and constantly bounced everything wide. It was maddening. I also remember some ESPN dude saying he was better than Westbrook after some game where he had a couple nice runs.

Speaking of Westbrook, Scott weighs what he did coming out of college despite being four inches shorter.  Scott is jacked. He showed good vision last year. I could see him being just fine as Sanders’ back up as long as the Eagles have a third RB. Would like a RB with some size. Clement and Warren fit that. 

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I've never read Moby Dick.  It's it worth the time investment?

It is but to get through it you will learn more about whaling than you’ll ever need to know. 

15 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

It is but to get through it you will learn more about whaling than you’ll ever need to know. 

I watched Whale Wars for years!!!  I learned all I need to know from Captain Paul Watson🤣

35 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I've never read Moby Dick.  It's it worth the time investment?

The first time I read it I thought was utter tripe. Overlong, over written, just too much of everything. I was 20 at the time. Ten years later I picked it up again and OMG, I was blown away.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

We've had a couple of running backs here who appeared they could be weapons but either the coaches didn't use them right, injuries took place or they just were a flash in the pan.  Off the top of my head...

Ryan Moats

Bryce Brown

Chris Polk

 

Bryce Brown - man, I thought he would be great.  Some of his runs were fantastic.  but he fizzled out

30 minutes ago, justrelax said:

The first time I read it I thought was utter tripe. Overlong, over written, just too much of everything. I was 20 at the time. Ten years later I picked it up again and OMG, I was blown away.

I was in my teens when I first read it.  I reread it in my late forties when my daughter, an avid reader, was struggling to get through it. At that point, the whaling part of it reminded me of Tom Clancy. 

 

Friendly reminder. 

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I was in my teens when I first read it.  I reread it in my late forties when my daughter, an avid reader, was struggling to get through it. At that point, the whaling part of it reminded me of Tom Clancy. 

I can sort of see that. Tom Clancy couldn't write a lick but he researched the hell out of his books and he could spin a yarn. I read the first three or four of his books and then gave up. Liked most of the movies, though, and the first season of Jack Ryan. The actor who played the chief terrorist - Ali Sulliman -  was terrific. He was also terrific in The Kingdom, a much underrated movie, imho. The second season not so much.

2 hours ago, justrelax said:

The first time I read it I thought was utter tripe. Overlong, over written, just too much of everything. I was 20 at the time. Ten years later I picked it up again and OMG, I was blown away.

Sounds like Great Expectations.  I had to read 'excerpts' from Great Expectations during AP English in High School.  I was expecting that it would end... turns out, it was a serial, so he kept writing chapter after chapter and getting bank.  The best book Dickens ever wrote was A Christmas Carol.  Short, sweet and to the point.   Just the way I like it.  

Melville... I had to read Billy Budd in high school.  Ugh, what a slog.  

21 hours ago, TEW said:

I’m not convinced that last year was Jackson’s new normal. He’s actually been pretty healthy throughout his career and his injury from last year shouldn’t impact his speed.

I'm late but I'm worried father time may finally catch up to him. It'd be our Fing luck too.

I hope he stays healthy because Jackson and Reagor on the field together will be so fun to watch

3 hours ago, justrelax said:

I can sort of see that. Tom Clancy couldn't write a lick but he researched the hell out of his books and he could spin a yarn. I read the first three or four of his books and then gave up. Liked most of the movies, though, and the first season of Jack Ryan. The actor who played the chief terrorist - Ali Sulliman -  was terrific. He was also terrific in The Kingdom, a much underrated movie, imho. The second season not so much.

I read Red Storm Rising on the way to Desert Shield. had a hard time putting it down.

11 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

False.  First few games the offense didnt look good.  Sanders was the only big play threat this team had once DeSean went down.   Shame we can't go back to see the old blog.  His rushing stats were "ok", but not spectacular, meanwhile his receiving numbers were off the charts.  And remember this first few weeks we lost Jackson, then Jeffery, then Goedert.  They were playing with virtually no one... and Sanders became the receiving threat.  Check the 50 yard plays he had, and the 20 plus runs.  Vastly outnumbered THE TEAM around him.  

His first 2 games he had 21 carries for 53 yards and 4 catches for 11 yards.

He broke out week 3 had pretty good game week 4 then 3 stinkers in a row as a runner before he really turned it on.

Those first 2 games though he was awful, and weeks 5 6 7 minus a good receiving game one of those weeks he wasnt good running the ball.

Like i said he had a rough start really took off buffalo and onward and after howard went down.

5 hours ago, bpac55 said:

We've had a couple of running backs here who appeared they could be weapons but either the coaches didn't use them right, injuries took place or they just were a flash in the pan.  Off the top of my head...

Ryan Moats

Bryce Brown

Chris Polk

 

Loved Chris Polk. Great special teamer, good 2nd, 3rd back but injuries and wear and tear in college caught up to him fast.😞

Bryce Brown looked good early but pre draft reports were he didnt like football, turns out as a pro he didnt like football.

Moats might have been better in a different era, apparently he wasnt too bright and couldnt pick up pass blocking assignments or pass routes which is too bad because he was an explosive runner.

So Kempski did a JJAW take in his current column and he had a video of every target for JJAW.  The kid showed no moves. He did have a couple of crisp cuts.  He tried a stutter step and learned what Lamb is going to learn. This is the NFL, other than your set, no DB watches your feet.  No lean (Reagor excels at that), no feints, no jukes and no change of speed. 

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

So Kempski did a JJAW take in his current column and he had a video of every target for JJAW.  The kid showed no moves. He did have a couple of crisp cuts.  He tried a stutter step and learned what Lamb is going to learn. This is the NFL, other than your set, no DB watches your feet.  No lean (Reagor excels at that), no feints, no jukes and no change of speed. 

I don't know how much of that was his ability versus the injuries he dealt with this past season. 

12 hours ago, wtfcares said:

As long as Duce is here, I have no confidence Sanders will be given the amount of touches that he deserves. Duce will continue going with the cold hand, forcing his RBBC. 

Why do you think that? When has Duce had a legit #1?

7 hours ago, BigEFly said:

So Kempski did a JJAW take in his current column and he had a video of every target for JJAW.  The kid showed no moves. He did have a couple of crisp cuts.  He tried a stutter step and learned what Lamb is going to learn. This is the NFL, other than your set, no DB watches your feet.  No lean (Reagor excels at that), no feints, no jukes and no change of speed. 

Hard to have a change of speed when your speed scares no one

15 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Speaking of Westbrook, Scott weighs what he did coming out of college despite being four inches shorter.  Scott is jacked. He showed good vision last year. I could see him being just fine as Sanders’ back up as long as the Eagles have a third RB. Would like a RB with some size. Clement and Warren fit that. 

Yep.  This is pretty much where I stand as well on our RB situation.   Maybe add Killins to the list of he can show the ability to return punts and/or kickoffs. 

11 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

I read Red Storm Rising on the way to Desert Shield. had a hard time putting it down.

That was a pretty good read. I read it in either middle school or high school, and it got me to read most of his other stuff.

I think that came out before the F-117 was declassified too, which was pretty prescient of him to have a stealth strike bomber in the US arsenal (though going off of memory I think he had them disk shaped instead of the triangular shape of the real F-117). 

8 hours ago, BigEFly said:

So Kempski did a JJAW take in his current column and he had a video of every target for JJAW.  The kid showed no moves. He did have a couple of crisp cuts.  He tried a stutter step and learned what Lamb is going to learn. This is the NFL, other than your set, no DB watches your feet.  No lean (Reagor excels at that), no feints, no jukes and no change of speed. 

As far as Lamb goes, I never really mentioned it prior to the draft because just about everyone around here was mega high on the kid but as far as the "top” WR prospects go, he has very good upside but I personally feel he also has a lower bottom than the others.

 He is a "yards after the catch” guy and those type of WR’s coming out of college fail in the NFL more times than not...basically because of some of the points you make here.

 NFL DB’s tackle much better than college DB’s and most won’t fall for "stutter steps” etc.   To be a "yards after the catch” guy in the NFL you basically need pure strength and better agility than most NFL DB’s.   We’ll see if Lamb is that guy. 

15 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Speaking of Westbrook, Scott weighs what he did coming out of college despite being four inches shorter.  Scott is jacked. He showed good vision last year. I could see him being just fine as Sanders’ back up as long as the Eagles have a third RB. Would like a RB with some size. Clement and Warren fit that. 

I like Scott, but my biggest problem with the current depth chart at RB is that we really have no one who we can reliably expect to shoulder the burden if Sanders gets hurt. Sure, we can go RBBC, but a committee only works if the guys have above average talent. Banking on a slew of UDFAs is pretty risky IMO. 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

As far as Lamb goes, I never really mentioned it prior to the draft because just about everyone around here was mega high on the kid but as far as the "top” WR prospects go, he has very good upside but I personally feel he also has a lower bottom than the others.

 He is a "yards after the catch” guy and those type of WR’s coming out of college fail in the NFL more times than not...basically because of some of the points you make here.

 NFL DB’s tackle much better than college DB’s and most wont fall for "stutter steps” etc.   To be a "yards after the catch” guy in the NFL you basically need pure strength and better agility than most NFL DB’s.   We’ll see if Lamb is that guy. 

YAC receivers basically fall into two camps in the NFL: you have your bull in a china shop types like you mentioned who are just much physically stronger than their opponents and then you have the pure speed/agility guys.

The problem I see with Lamb is that he isn’t elite at either one of those things. He might make some guys miss at the NFL level, but I don’t think he has the speed or quickness to really punish defenses once he does.

7 minutes ago, TEW said:

I like Scott, but my biggest problem with the current depth chart at RB is that we really have no one who we can reliably expect to shoulder the burden if Sanders gets hurt. Sure, we can go RBBC, but a committee only works if the guys have above average talent. Banking on a slew of UDFAs is pretty risky IMO. 

Agreed. That’s why adding a veteran RB seems like a prudent move. 

Just watched a video of the Eagles top plays of 2017. Its amazing how good Aghalor was in 17 but after that he couldn't catch a cold.