1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

For the corporations are people crowd,  PG&E just plead guilty to 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter. Is PG&E going to jail?

No.

Methinks there may be a wrongful death settlement in there somewhere.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

There is some irony in being mad at the protest of a flag that symbolizes the freedom to protest.  

Ok.

14 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

You are too emotionally invested to be objective obviously. thats cliched nonsense

our poor have a higher standard of living than most of the planet.

the process takes time as BigE said and we will both be long gone before things look anything like you want. If you force it too much, you invite resistance. Its basic org management stuff.

 

 

That seems to be a low bar.  We aren't doing well as compared to much of the developed world in terms of standard of living.  I do agree that revolution tends to lead to counter-revolution.  At the same time, change happens in fits and starts.  I mean the passage of the Voting Rights and Title VII laws were milestones and did create immediate change.  Brown v. Board of Education was a singular event although the Court did not dictate an immediate change.   

8 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

For the corporations-are-people crowd,  PG&E just plead guilty to 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter. Is PG&E going to jail?

No.

To be honest, if I get murdered, for my family's sake I hope it is by a corporation with deep pockets.  

He apologized. I doubt he’ll get cancelled, but the guy who makes millions off black athletes should know better than to show any support behind OAN, an actual fake news outlet that calls BLM a farce and a terrorist group.

9 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Methinks there may be a wrongful death settlement in there somewhere.

Of course. I suspect that Harvey Weinstein would like to substitute money for jail time too.

50 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think you got that backwards.  I think they leave Seumalo where he is and groom Driscoll for the center spot.  Driscoll is more athletic than Seumalo, and I think he's a better replacement for Kelce.

Seumalo:

Driscoll:

Kelce:

(all from mockdraftable)

If we go with measurements than Nate Herbig is the replacement for Brooks.   I don’t think Driscoll was drafted to play C.  Never has.  Of course, neither had Herbig  I think like Herbig, Driscoll took on learning C to make himself more valuable.  As to more athletic than Seumalo, no 3 cone, on 20 yard.  Just jumps and 40.  

I think one of the reasons they like Juriga is his ability to get to the second level despite running a 5.28 with no other measurements. He has played C.  Probably a PS player unless he really shines but could be being groomed.  

One thing Juriga and Driscoll have in common.  Both are smart. 

 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

If we go with measurements than Nate Herbig is the replacement for Brooks.   I don’t think Driscoll was drafted to play C.  Never has.  Of course, neither had Herbig  I think like Herbig, Driscoll took on learning C to make himself more valuable.  As to more athletic than Seumalo, no 3 cone, on 20 yard.  Just jumps and 40.  

I think one of the reasons they like Juriga is his ability to get to the second level despite running a 5.28 with no other measurements. He has played C.  Probably a PS player unless he really shines but could be being groomed.  

One thing Juriga and Driscoll have in common.  Both are smart. 

Going back pre-Kelce, the Eagles had a long history of moving college OTs to C.  Honey Bunz, Jamaal Jackso , Nick Cole as well, I think.   Mike McGlynn.  That was their MO.  Kelce broke that process.  Not sure what they are thinking now.  Both that history and the selection of Kelce were pre-Stoutland.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He apologized. I doubt he’ll get cancelled, but the guy who makes millions off black athletes should know better than to show any support behind OAN, an actual fake news outlet that calls BLM a farce and a terrorist group.

If we want people to "listen" and "understand" then we need to be tolerant of those who may have an opinion that is uneducated but are actually willing to hear another viewpoint. A lot of this is damage control from Gundy but to burn him at the stake, fire him, drag him through the mud, etc after he's apologized and heard from his players doesn't solve anything. This "cancel culture" has become a witch hunt and it's bordering along insanity and manipulation. I think the whole Brees deal where he gave an opinion based on his personal beliefs was blown out of proportion. 

Kaepernick wore a freaking Castro shirt and didn't have to go on an apology tour. People make dumb mistakes where they don't factor in the emotions of others. Explain to them why they're wrong, try to make them understand a different viewpoint, create a dialogue, and move along. 

32 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

the process takes time as BigE said and we will both be long gone before things look anything like you want. If you force it too much, you invite resistance. Its basic org management stuff.

 

 

There is some truth to that.  I spent a lot of time studying change management because I was responsible for managing our changes in how we did things, in how we must approach customers and the public, in how changes in regulation and law impacted our responsibilities etc.  Sudden, abrupt and sometimes overwhelming change never worked. Incremental, building block by building block almost always did for the vast majority.  I understand the frustration that goes with our glacial history in this area but the biggest elements of change will need to be cultural and frankly some may never occur.  I am frustrated too.  I thought we would be further along the journey by now and it sure seems to me there has been some backsliding the last few years, but I do recognize we have made some strides since the days of my youth. 

14 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

There is some truth to that.  I spent a lot of time studying change management because I was responsible for managing our changes in how we did things, in how we must approach customers and the public, in how changes in regulation and law impacted our responsibilities etc.  Sudden, abrupt and sometimes overwhelming change never worked. Incremental, building block by building block almost always did for the vast majority.  I understand the frustration that goes with our glacial history in this area but the biggest elements of change will need to be cultural and frankly some may never occur.  I am frustrated too.  I thought we would be further along the journey by now and it sure seems to me there has been some backsliding the last few years, but I do recognize we have made some strides since the days of my youth. 

I would argue that the legalization of gay marriage was saltational.

 

30 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

For the corporations-are-people crowd,  PG&E just plead guilty to 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter. Is PG&E going to jail?

No.

Write your representatives and tell them it is time for a Constitutional Amendment that corporations aren’t persons under the 14th amendment.  

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Not sure I agree with you.  You and I are two of the older posters in here. We have seen some incremental change. Sometimes it is glacially slow and sometimes it backslides.  My sister and I were talking about growing up in the South.  I mentioned when I was in college (she and I lived in a house with several others). One roommate, who was a black man and my girlfriend who was as pale as her Irish roots would suggest, made a trip out to a place in East Texas. They stopped at a small store in a smaller town. Both saw the reaction to a black man with a white woman. He thought he was going to be lynched   Last time I was in that town about a year ago, I saw an interracial couple walking hand in hand with their two small children.  A change that occurred over time. I have heard the stories of my wife’s East Texas relatives of her parents and grandparents age. It was much worse back then. I have seen the end to government enforced segregation in my lifetime. The racism of our parents generation is not the level of racism of ours and is not the level of our children’s. Changing culture takes time  

I have also seen the bad results of instant change. Take the Patriot Act. Awful law.  We sacrificed personal liberty with it.  Take CERCLA (Superfund) with its retroactive strict and joint liability.  It assumes that every pollution event was similar to Love Canal (example of environmental racism, BTW, if that was a POC neighborhood rather than suburban white, there never would have been that law.). Well CERCLA results in protracted litigation because of its harshness.  As an environmentalist, I saw there is a better way. Take the internment of Japanese descendant citizens in reaction to Pearl Harbor. We never got Japanese saboteurs during WWII but we did get German ones. 

Knee jerk can be as bad as glacial incremental change. A median between the two is often the best. 

There’s a lot to unpack here. I’ll ponder overnight.

45 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Methinks there may be a wrongful death settlement in there somewhere.

They will take all the insurance money.  PG&E will have a large self insurance Portion under the insurance that the bankruptcy court will allow because it is finite.  The criminal settlement is probably to get the offshore insurance coverage for punitive damages in play. California, rightly so, does not allow the insuring of punitive damages so large corporations like PG&E go offshore to places like Bermuda or London Lloyds out of reach of CA regulators and buy indemnity policies that pay them back for money they pay toward something like punitive damages.  Only way a bankruptcy court could allow PG&E to agree to a punitive damage settlement would be a plea like this.  PG&E agrees to the punitive damage settlement, bankruptcy court approves and PG&E’s trustee turns around with his hand out to the offshore insurers to basically fund it.  Money flows to the trustee and then out to the settlement fund.   Settlement fund pays the plaintiff attorneys there 33.3-40% share.  That includes those attorneys representing the injured or dead but also uninsured property and for insured property and sometimes insured medical expenses, their attorneys as well. Homeowners and auto carriers get their usually compromised share for payments they made and the rest gets divvied up to the victims and their survivors. 

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

They will take all the insurance money.  PG&E will have a large self insurance Portion under the insurance that the bankruptcy court will allow because it is finite.  The criminal settlement is probably to get the offshore insurance coverage for punitive damages in play. California, rightly so, does not allow the insuring of punitive damages so large corporations like PG&E go offshore to places like Bermuda or London Lloyds out of reach of CA regulators and buy indemnity policies that pay them back for money they pay toward something like punitive damages.  Only way a bankruptcy court could allow PG&E to agree to a punitive damage settlement would be a plea like this.  PG&E agrees to the punitive damage settlement, bankruptcy court approves and PG&E’s trustee turns around with his hand out to the offshore insurers to basically fund it.  Money flows to the trustee and then out to the settlement fund.   Settlement fund pays the plaintiff attorneys there 33.3-40% share.  That includes those attorneys representing the injured or dead but also uninsured property and for insured property and sometimes insured medical expenses, their attorneys as well. Homeowners and auto carriers get their usually compromised share for payments they made and the rest gets divvied up to the victims and their survivors. 

This is another issue for another day.  Should be equal share to any individual plaintiff plus incurred expenses.  

20 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I would argue that the legalization of gay marriage was saltational.

Interesting use of saltational. Son of a geologist, my instant take was what does that have to do with the migration of a grain of salt.  I take it you meant in the evolutionary sense. But I would argue it wasn’t abrupt but rather an incremental migration from demand for the right to civil unions laws, some level of civil disobedience in the issuing of wedding licenses and in performing marriages which ultimately resulted in conflicting decisions and finally a decision by the Supreme Court. 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This is another issue for another day.  Should be equal share to any individual plaintiff plus incurred expenses.  

Different plaintiffs have different damages. That would be unfair. 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Please don't say that.   I need to get back in to a classroom.  This 100% digital teaching thing is wearing very thin.   And I can't imagine doing it to start the year.  Its one thing moving to it with students that you know and that know you... its another whole animal doing it from Day 1.  

 

My district already sent an email to parents asking their preferred option for return ro school. 

M-W-F one week T-Th the next week

Or

2 days (consistent every week) in class instruction and 3 virtual

Or

5 days in class. Next week 5 days out

Or

A 6 day rotating schedule with certain kids attending on certain numbered days. I think this would work the same as option 1 pret much. 

Or

In class always but junior high and high school always online. K-6 are spread out thorough all of thre districts schools.  Which sounds like a transportation nightmare.  Along other things.  Like my son not being in the same class with his friends.  Not being in his same school...

 

 

 

It's not certain any of these will have to happen but they are finding out everyone's top 2 preferences in case they need to do something like that come fall. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

My district already sent an email to parents asking their preferred option for return ro school. 

M-W-F one week T-Th the next week

Or

2 days (consistent every week) in class instruction and 3 virtual

Or

5 days in class. Next week 5 days out

Or

A 6 day rotating schedule with certain kids attending on certain numbered days. I think this would work the same as option 1 pret much. 

Or

In class always but junior high and high school always online. K-6 are spread out thorough all of thre districts schools.  Which sounds like a transportation nightmare.  Along other things.  Like my son not being in the same class with his friends.  Not being in his same school...

 

 

 

It's not certain any of these will have to happen but they are finding out everyone's top 2 preferences in case they need to do something like that come fall. 

With a 14 day incubation period I'm not sure what those achieve. Slightly limiting exposure, but doesn't seem worth that kind of effort. 

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I was just kind of posting that as a joke but I do kind of believe the team is looking for an excuse to bring Peters back. 

There is some irony in being mad at the protest of a flag that symbolizes the freedom to protest.  

Of course there is

but if one side can tell the other side of the debate their feelings are invalid, then it also works in reverse 

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

That seems to be a low bar.  We aren't doing well as compared to much of the developed world in terms of standard of living.  I do agree that revolution tends to lead to counter-revolution.  At the same time, change happens in fits and starts.  I mean the passage of the Voting Rights and Title VII laws were milestones and did create immediate change.  Brown v. Board of Education was a singular event although the Court did not dictate an immediate change.   

Thats very debatable wrt standard of living 

the issue is people dont view their situation objectively and compare their situation to those that have something better. Its human nature

no law will tell someone how to feel. Opinions are formed by peoples experiences

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I was just kind of posting that as a joke but I do kind of believe the team is looking for an excuse to bring Peters back. 

There is some irony in being mad at the protest of a flag that symbolizes the freedom to protest.  

No one is saying don't protest, I think many of us have made that crystal clear.  We have all agreed with the problems at hand and want the same justice for all.  We just ask that for those 2 minutes to not protest.  Malcolm Jenkins now has a role with CNN to continue his conversation on race.  He now has an even bigger platform for his actual voice.  Why keep alienating so many people who are on your side despite not agreeing with the flag protest?  The flag and the Anthem mean something different to every single one of us.  I get it, there are veterans who support the kneeling but there's also the other side who don't.  

Again, there is never going to be an end to this discussion and disagreement.  The same points are being said over and over again, myself included.  

 

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

With a 14 day incubation period I'm not sure what those achieve. Slightly limiting exposure, but doesn't seem worth that kind of effort. 

well, I think some of them would split the class in two groups who would never mix. 

16 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Different plaintiffs have different damages. That would be unfair. 

Give equal to the highest paid plaintiff, but the attorneys getting more than any of the plaintiffs isn't justice.