13 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

Or the virus becomes less deadly. We see indications that may be happening, but we won't know for a long time. 

I don't think that it's going to hold true. It's anecdotal to begin with.  And I suspect that's more due to lower dosage of the virus being passed around thanks to masks and distancing.

As we begin to move closer,  congregate longer,  and wear less masks I think we will find nothing has changed about the potency of the virus. 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

The short answer is that, unfortunately, I don’t know.  We need more politicians and docs saying that.  This is like trying to predict the course of a hurricane coming up the coast.  
 

I’m far from a virologist, but the H1N1 Spanish flu was a bit atypical. A more severe mutated wave 2 is more the exception than the rule.  Whether there’s  49% or a 1% chance of that happening...I have no idea.  I’m not sure if anyone else does either.  

This is one of those hope for the best, prepare for the worst situations.  We can’t be holed up until then; it’s time to open the economy.  But there needs to be an open and honest dialogue with Americans that we’ll need to prepare for a rapid retraction back into total quarantine if red flags start flying. 

Also need to have a similar dialogue that a "re-opening" does not include throwing away the restrictions we've been under for 3 months and acting like the threat has subsided.

I really like this statistic in the article below.  I know some in here have questioned Carson's ability to go through his progressions the last few seasons.  He hasn't.  But when your #1 receiver in 2018-2019 is either hurt or has absolutely no ability to create separation, along with your #2, and your only option is to go over a crowded and clogged middle to Zach Ertz and now Goedert, it's a pretty good explanation as to why Carson held onto the ball for too long and fumbled too much.  

Highest-graded quarterbacks on non-first-read throws (2018-19, regular season only, min. 100 attempts)

Rank	Name	Grade	Att.	Comp.	Yards	YPA	Comp %	Rating	ADOT
1	Russell Wilson	90.6	282	166	2135	7.57	58.9%	103.7	11.18
2	Patrick Mahomes	86.8	279	154	2237	8.02	55.2%	89	11.91
3	Drew Brees	82.4	202	133	1273	6.3	65.8%	88.2	6.31
4	Carson Wentz	77.8	232	134	1551	6.69	57.8%	93.5	10.19
5	Jimmy Garoppolo	77.3	112	75	908	8.11	67.0%	102.1	8.51

 

Also, this only confirms what I see with my eyes when I watch Dak.  He's a first read guy.  If that guy is not open (which he seemingly ALWAYS is unfortunately), then it's run or check down.  He doesn't have the ability to go through progressions.  Unfortunately, he's very accurate on his first read.  This also confirms what we see with our eyes that if the first read isn't there for Goff, then his brain officially turns into a pretzel.  

Biggest drop-offs from first-read grade to non-first-read grade (QBs with 50 or more attempts on each, 2018-19, regular season only)

Player	Grade on first read throws	Grade on non-first-read throws	Difference
Jared Goff	90.3	47.1	43.2
Ryan Tannehill	79.6	41.9	37.7
Joe Flacco	77.9	43.4	34.5
Dak Prescott	83.9	54.1	29.8
Mitchell Trubisky	65.8	38.5	27.3

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-the-best-quarterbacks-on-first-and-second-read-throws-patrick-mahomes-drew-brees-aaron-rodgers

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

To be honest if the cases keep rising, the only way the NFL season is going to happen is if the entire NFL moves to New Zealand for the season.

 

New Zealand has 16 120x60 meters stadiums and is COVID free.

Can you imagine..

That would be pretty awesome.  I mean, the more I think about it.... For starters, look at how much it could benefit the Kiwis.

1 hour ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

People are trying to ruin New Zealand as well.

Coronavirus: Travellers from the UK take COVID-19 back into New Zealand after three weeks of no infections

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-travellers-from-the-uk-take-covid-19-back-into-new-zealand-after-three-weeks-of-no-infections-12007645

Oh, ffs...

44 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Starting to think sports aren't happening until there is a vaccine. Anyone else agree.

I would disagree. The social mobility index has been rising since April 16, while at the same time deaths have been falling. Mobility returned to normal by the end of May, so we should be seeing a huge increase in deaths by now. But deaths have continued to fall. Europe has seen even better results. It is largely open and deaths there are back to normal. 

I don't think we will have a vaccine for another two years. The biggest problem is that there won't be enough cases to run a decent trial until probably next year. This has already happened in the UK.

What we do have is a promising way to treat the most serious cases by using steroids. While that treatment won't help minor cases, it will reduce the death rate substantially, which combined with better protections for the most vulnerable, should largely mitigate the most serious impacts of the virus.

Soccer is back in Europe, which I think will drive the move to start sports here. 

They gave this guy 34M...

Mcvay does not get enough credit for being able to make it to a SB with a brain dead robot at QB

I agree. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I agree. 

Leadership

AMC Theatres Reverses Course, Will Require Face Masks Upon Reopening

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/amc-theatres-reverses-course-will-require-face-masks-reopening-1299415

The EU isn't dealing with people and public officials alike encouraging mass gatherings either.

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I agree. 

The European region covered by that data covers about 250 million people, so it is 100 million less than the US, and it has had way more deaths than the US. So failing to note those stats somewhere in the chart seems misleading. 

7 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The European region covered by that data covers about 250 million people, so it is 100 million less than the US, and it has had way more deaths than the US. So failing to note those stats somewhere in the chart seems misleading. 

COVID data has been chewed up, digested, excreted, and re-presented to fit many different narratives.  The only thing you can trust is that anything from FoxNews, CNN, NBC, NYT, or Washington Post has been carefully crafted to fit an agenda.

One of the most insightful non-medical non-peer reviewed articles on COVID, shockingly, came from Al-Jazeera.  They basically showed a perfectly inverse relationship between government corruption and number of COVID cases...i.e....everyone is lying about their national COVID experience.  

The baseline churning of new cases is concerning, no doubt...but we still don't understand if the next big slope will be up or down.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The EU isn't dealing with people and public officials alike encouraging mass gatherings either.

That is going to be the cop out two weeks from now, but let’s be honest, reopening states without restrictions and a vast majority of people no longer wearing masks (at least from my observation) is just as big, if not bigger, culprit. 

 

2 hours ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Great, but did your county put in place any measures to have outanding numbers?  Or just rely on low density organically preventing the spread?

No specific measures. We were just asked to stay home if we were sick. Most folks stayed home on their own for a couple of weeks until we figured out that it wasn't going to overwhelm the hospitals. Since then it has pretty much been life as usual.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That is going to be the cop out two weeks from now, but let’s be honest, reopening states without restrictions and a vast majority of people no longer wearing masks (at least from my observation) is just as big, if not bigger, culprit. 

It absolutely is.  But people need to stop obsessing over being right or wrong over this.

Conservatives say that it's "worth it" to open up the economy.  Progressives say that it's "worth it" to protest against inequality.  

Now is not the time to be hypocritical on either of these fronts.  It is time to reopen and move on.  And maybe things explode again.  Then we walk it back and do what needs to be done.  The country can't live under a rock forever.  

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

It absolutely is.  But people need to stop obsessing over being right or wrong over this.

Conservatives say that it's "worth it" to open up the economy.  Progressives say that it's "worth it" to protest against inequality.  

Now is not the time to be hypocritical on either of these fronts.  It is time to reopen and move on.  And maybe things explode again.  Then we walk it back and do what needs to be one.  The country can't live under a rock forever.  

I won’t stop obsessing over being right or wrong. It’s right to wear a mask. I don’t see any logical argument against it. 

As for reopening states, I think there are smarter ways to do it than opening without restrictions, but reopening to some degree absolutely is necessary since our leadership completely botched this at the beginning. 

The movement of at-risk populations, nursing home residents, and hospital inpatients in NY by Cuomo has probably proven to be the single most disastrous decision by any public official during the pandemic.  Interestingly, he's been anointed a COVID savior.  

Now, I won't bash him too hard...while a fateful and damaging decision, we are all in (most popular covid cliche #3) uncharted territory here.  It wasn't negligent, just the wrong move and really damaging.  It's just interesting that certain missteps are hammered home more than others.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I won’t stop obsessing over being right or wrong. It’s right to wear a mask. I don’t see any logical argument against it. 

As for reopening states, I think there are smarter ways to do it than opening without restrictions, but reopening to some degree absolutely is necessary since our leadership completely botched this at the beginning. 

Some of the restrictions are doing more to restrict small businesses and revenue than they are to restrict the virus.  

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The movement of at-risk populations, nursing home residents, and hospital inpatients in NY by Cuomo has probably proven to be the single most disastrous decision by any public official during the pandemic.  Interestingly, he's been anointed a COVID savior.  

Now, I won't bash him too hard...while a fateful and damaging decision, we are all in (most popular covid cliche #3) uncharted territory here.  It wasn't negligent, just the wrong move and really damaging.  It's just interesting that certain missteps are hammered home more than others.

Some of the restrictions are doing more to restrict small businesses and revenue than they are to restrict the virus.  

Such as?

 

 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Such as?

Restaurants only seating guests in tents outside with the same spacing they'd have inside, Jersey beaches collecting partial revenue by reducing capacity when they cannot even enforce it...

If you want people to wear masks, that's fine.  Some of this is binary.  Either the beaches are open or they are not.  30,000 or 20,000 people make no difference.  20 people 6' apart outside a restaurant is no different from 100 people at the same distance inside.  If the unrestricted iterations of these businesses are dangerous, then so too are the restricted ones.  They shouldn't be open at all...or it should be business as usual.

Having one foot on either side of the threshold is just for appearances; there is no substance to it.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Restaurants only seating guests in tents outside with the same spacing they'd have inside, Jersey beaches collecting partial revenue by reducing capacity when they cannot even enforce it...

If you want people to wear masks, that's fine.  Some of this is binary.  Either the beaches are open or they are not.  30,000 or 20,000 people make no difference.  20 people 6' apart outside a restaurant is no different from 100 people at the same distance inside.  If the unrestricted iterations of these businesses are dangerous, then so too are the restricted ones.  They shouldn't be open at all...or it should be business as usual.

Having one foot on either side of the threshold is just for appearances; there is no substance to it.

In terms of limiting or slowing the spread, that can’t be true can it? Mathematically speaking, right? Fewer people out is fewer people potentially exposed in a general sense, no?

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

In terms of limiting or slowing the spread, that can’t be true can it? Mathematically speaking, right? Fewer people out is fewer people potentially exposed in a general sense, no?

If you don’t have a stay at home order and businesses are allowed to open, people are out.  Restricting the capacity of business that people can do is just pissing into the wind.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If you don’t have a stay at home order and businesses are allowed to open, people are out.  Restricting the capacity of business that people can do is just pissing into the wind.

I don’t really agree with that. I understand the idea of half-arsing it is bad, but the problem with restrictions is that people aren’t taking personal responsibility along with it. I get that having things 50 percent capacity is a bit of a mixed message, but I think it would have worked out OK with more common sense and diligence from Americans.