How much more of this cancel culture are we going to stand for?  Teddy Roosevelt statue being removed from Museum of Natural History in NYC.  We can't keep doing this.  What is going to be acceptable to keep up?  

Persons protesting the police-custody death of George Floyd defaced a statue of an abolitionist in Philadelphia.

This isn't about protest or civil justice, it's about rewriting history

 

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

How much more of this cancel culture are we going to stand for?  Teddy Roosevelt statue being removed from Museum of Natural History in NYC.  We can't keep doing this.  What is going to be acceptable to keep up?  

It’s the kind of thing that draws people to a nut like Trump. The left loves comparing Trump to Hitler... well... read up on what attracted millions to a nut psychopath like Hitler...

 

Sorry should have taken to CVON

19 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

How much more of this cancel culture are we going to stand for?  Teddy Roosevelt statue being removed from Museum of Natural History in NYC.  We can't keep doing this.  What is going to be acceptable to keep up?  

Kind of makes sense to remove that. 

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

It’s the kind of thing that draws people to a nut like Trump. The left loves comparing Trump to Hitler... well... read up on what attracted millions to a nut psychopath like Hitler...

 

Sorry should have taken to CVON

I wonder which side the people who are out protesting with swastikas are voting for...

22 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

How much more of this cancel culture are we going to stand for?  Teddy Roosevelt statue being removed from Museum of Natural History in NYC.  We can't keep doing this.  What is going to be acceptable to keep up?  

You do realize why they are taking it down, right?

and besides it’s a statue. Someone from his family even approves it be removed.

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

Kind of makes sense to remove that. 

I mean do most people even care if some statues are being removed or torn down?

I wont be losing any sleep over it.  Then again I'm not really a history person and dont care about things that happened in the 1700 and 1800's.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You do realize why they are taking it down, right?

and besides it’s a statue. Someone from his family even approves it be removed.

I understand the context but do you think it will be just that one?  How long until someone defaces Mount Rushmore because they now know what TR did in his past?

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You do realize why they are taking it down, right?

and besides it’s a statue. Someone from his family even approves it be removed.

Yeah, just stating they’re taking down a Roosevelt statue without showing the picture...

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

I wonder which side the people who are out protesting with swastikas are voting for...

I’m not seeing too many of those. The majority of the radical protesters I am seeing, don’t vote. 

15 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

It’s the kind of thing that draws people to a nut like Trump. The left loves comparing Trump to Hitler... well... read up on what attracted millions to a nut psychopath like Hitler...

 

Sorry should have taken to CVON

Nazism was born from the right wing, and that’s where it still resides today.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Nazism was born from the right wing, and that’s where it still resides today.

Not debating that.
 

But when there’s a large group of people saying you need to think, feel, and act a certain way or you’re a terrible person... well... that guy telling you to say F them and don’t be afraid to stick your middle finger at them can look very appealing. 

28 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I understand the context but do you think it will be just that one?  How long until someone defaces Mount Rushmore because they now know what TR did in his past?

No, it won’t be just that one. And it’s because this has nothing to do with "cancel culture”. It’s a pretty clear statue that was acceptable for its time in the 1940s, but times have changed. The museum itself requested to remove it, the family approved, the city approved. Almost everything I saw said it specifically has nothing to do with Roosevelt himself vs what it portrays. 
 

An example of ridiculous cancel culture is people trying to boycott dominos because they responded on Twitter to McEnany 8 or so years ago. 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Nazism was born from the right wing, and that’s where it still resides today.

Yes, but there’s absolutely no dangerous or cautionary tales out there on the left wing, right?

And this is part of the problem. Focus being on statues when this is still happening 

 

9 hours ago, bpac55 said:

How much more of this cancel culture are we going to stand for?  Teddy Roosevelt statue being removed from Museum of Natural History in NYC.  We can't keep doing this.  What is going to be acceptable to keep up?  

Why was that removed?  He's the guy that started the National Parks....

 

Edit:  ok, seeing the statue, I can see why.  I blame the artist, not Teddy.

22 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

I remember as a kid, and yes there was TV when I was a kid when the evening news went from reporting to opinion it was clearly stated as such and I remember a banner across the screen saying as much.

I haven't seen that in years. as too often "news" outlets try to muddy the water between fact and opinion

That all ended in 1987, Ronnie and the boyz. So I’ll put you down for bringing it back

FOX didn’t make the cut neither did Epoch Times (?), not sure what kind of math makes the truth somewhere in the middle but it’s a free country

8 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Persons protesting the police-custody death of George Floyd defaced a statue of an abolitionist in Philadelphia.

This isn't about protest or civil justice, it's about rewriting history

 

Let's wait on this hyperbole.  Like many moments in our worlds history when change is a must,  some minds react ignorantly and don't reflect the scope of the change needed.  This ignorance can be both over and under reaction.  We are seeing both right now.  Its OK.  

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And this is part of the problem. Focus being on statues when this is still happening 

 

Maybe this guy with nothing to lose ???

 

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And this is part of the problem. Focus being on statues when this is still happening 

 

Is Bubba Wallace black? I don't follow NASCAR

12 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

That all ended in 1987, Ronnie and the boyz. So I’ll put you down for bringing it back

FOX didn’t make the cut neither did Epoch Times (?), not sure what kind of math makes the truth somewhere in the middle but it’s a free country

I'm confused. What exactly did Reagan do that made the networks  take sides?

8 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I'm confused. What exactly did Reagan do that made the networks  take sides?

https://govtrackinsider.com/restore-the-fairness-doctrine-act-would-require-broadcasters-give-airtime-to-all-sides-of-an-issue-1f3117e20d03
 

Beginning in the earliest years of television, from 1949 to 1987, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) required American television and radio broadcasters to present both sides — or all sides — of any political or social issue. It came to be nicknamed the Fairness Doctrine.

The Reagan-era FCC eliminated this rule, which was never reinstituted in subsequent decades under either party. Supporters of the rule’s elimination argued it helped the First Amendment and free speech, by eliminating forced speech or advocacy towards all sides — including sides a station’s ownership or management may have disagreed with.

On top of this, a subsequent Trump-era 2017 FCC decision loosened ownership restrictions on stations. In combination, these two decisions not only allowed given stations to present only one view, but for many stations nationwide — now more easily owned by the same conglomerate, such as the conservative Sinclair Broadcast Group — to present the same view.

Opponents say that the Fairness Doctrine resulted in more balanced and impartial media outlets, and that eliminating it led to the rise of polarized media outlets which now have license to only broadcast one side if they choose — which in turn has led to a far more polarized country and electorate.

3 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

https://govtrackinsider.com/restore-the-fairness-doctrine-act-would-require-broadcasters-give-airtime-to-all-sides-of-an-issue-1f3117e20d03
 

Beginning in the earliest years of television, from 1949 to 1987, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) required American television and radio broadcasters to present both sides — or all sides — of any political or social issue. It came to be nicknamed the Fairness Doctrine.

The Reagan-era FCC eliminated this rule, which was never reinstituted in subsequent decades under either party. Supporters of the rule’s elimination argued it helped the First Amendment and free speech, by eliminating forced speech or advocacy towards all sides — including sides a station’s ownership or management may have disagreed with.

On top of this, a subsequent Trump-era 2017 FCC decision loosened ownership restrictions on stations. In combination, these two decisions not only allowed given stations to present only one view, but for many stations nationwide — now more easily owned by the same conglomerate, such as the conservative Sinclair Broadcast Group — to present the same view.

Opponents say that the Fairness Doctrine resulted in more balanced and impartial media outlets, and that eliminating it led to the rise of polarized media outlets which now have license to only broadcast one side if they choose — which in turn has led to a far more polarized country and electorate.

This article highlights the upside of the fairness doctrine which is undeniable.

It ignores the downside however which is for example if a radio station  carries Limbaugh with a large daily audience they will have no trouble selling ads which is their revenue source. If they are required to give equal time to a liberal commentator they won't be able to sell ads for that time period. This isn't a speculation, the failure of Air America (not the CIA airline) clearly demonstrates that for what ever reason the market is just not there for liberal talk radio.  This would likely have the effect of media outlets carrying neither the conservative OR liberal point of view

All i'm asking for is when a news outlet goes from reporting facts to presenting opinion they clearly state where they make the transition.

On 6/20/2020 at 10:48 PM, 315Eagles said:

Going to the grocery store there is a sign saying a mask is mandatory to enter the store yet there were people in there without them.  Might be hard to enforce in larger places but smaller stores they can see and inform a customer a mask is needed if they arent wearing one.

And then the customer freaks out ans starts yelling about his "rights", guess how businesses make their money? Selling stuff, not enforcing government rules. Totally unfair to expect businesses to enforce this

38 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

This article highlights the upside of the fairness doctrine which is undeniable.

It ignores the downside however which is for example if a radio station  carries Limbaugh with a large daily audience they will have no trouble selling ads which is their revenue source. If they are required to give equal time to a liberal commentator they won't be able to sell ads for that time period. This isn't a speculation, the failure of Air America (not the CIA airline) clearly demonstrates that for what ever reason the market is just not there for liberal talk radio.  This would likely have the effect of media outlets carrying neither the conservative OR liberal point of view

All i'm asking for is when a news outlet goes from reporting facts to presenting opinion they clearly state where they make the transition.

Just as long as we recognize some media is stronger in the NEWS aspect and others are stronger in opinion. Since the lines are drawn I watch CNN and for my opinionated media I will watch MSNBC. Lately I haven’t been following either because I’m exhausted with both Covid and Trumpsky, been over 2 months since I tuned into either