4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

The collectivists whining about virtue signaling is peak stupid

People are violating no law not wearing a mask. There is no obligation to do so really. 

 

Obligation: an act or course of action to which a person is morally or legally bound; a duty or commitment.

I’d say by definition you’re wrong. 

Morality: principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

Just to cut that argument off at the pass. 

There is no legal duty to be considerate
 

you dont seem to grasp that definition

And morality is nothing but a societal norm

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

There is no legal duty to be considerate
 

you dont seem to grasp that definition

I grasp the legality of it just fine, thanks. 

32 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

What an idiot

 

Now he and his wife have covid.

Luckily he's one of the most incredible athletes in the sport, even at his age.  He will def recover in time for the first tournament (US Open late Aug.)

That said, yea, holding that tourney was a bad idea, especially with the way they weren't actively avoiding contact.  He didn't need the money, either, afaik.  But def dumb.

3 hours ago, Utebird said:

Whats trumps approval rating at.

I think that would be a good reflection of national lunacy. 35 38%  ???

45%

Higher than Obama at this time lol sorry socialists. 

https://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jun23

33 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

And morality is nothing but a societal norm

I find this assertion troubling. It literally accepts sociopathic behavior.

4 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

He was a great leader in the locker room. Him and Lane seemed to have a great friendship

27 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

45%

Higher than Obama at this time lol sorry socialists. 

https://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jun23

Lolllllllllllll

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

I find this assertion troubling. It literally accepts sociopathic behavior.

It is both troubling and at least partly, in practice, true.

Perhaps there is a universal, logically proofed, objective morality, but I have yet to come across it. However, even if such a thing existed, it still wouldn’t stop people from justifying sociopathic behavior in the name of morality because most people are persuaded by pathos rather than logos.

36 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

45%

Higher than Obama at this time lol sorry socialists. 

https://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jun23

Try looking at something that isn’t right wing. 
 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

Try looking at something that isn’t right wing. 
 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Quoting Rasmussen about a guy who’s never cracked 50 isn’t worthy of being taken seriously 

4 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Then you’re missing out. 

Oh well.  

So who's excited about baseball starting up?

If it actually happens, I think there's no doubt I'll watch what I generally rank as my 4th fav sport.  Main reason being, with a 40-50 game season, every single game is going to be important.  Pitchers getting rest, extended rosters, and (I believe) an experimental league wide DH rule?

3 hours ago, TEW said:

I would really, really disagree with this.

Big changes tend to be made by the people in power for their own benefit.

Revolutionary type of big changes tend to end in hardship for the masses as established systems are upended and the revolutionaries fail to understand the reality of why the system existed in the first place and are incompetent in replacing it.

Revolution is romanticized, but historically, they’re blood baths that end in disaster. The reference point of European Enlightenment is an outlier that is clouding your judgement. This country is incredible. Imperfect for sure, but still incredible. Be careful what you wish for, because you might just get it.

Whats so incredible about this country right now???

Like i said if those who were dissatisfied with the status quo in jolly ol England said England is incredible then my dollar bill would most likely have a queen on it instead of an old dude wearing a wig.

When Incremental changes come from those in power its so the peasants dont notice, bread crumbs and football dont quell the masses after wholesale negative changes from those in power. Instead wholesale changes by the top lead to revolutions which is why its rarely seen by the ruling class except in the case of a conquered nation where those wholesale changes are forced upon the conquered by the conquerors. Wholesale positive changes in a society are more  commonly as a result of those many that have been disenfranchised by the few ,by enacting wholesale changes much like the revolutionary war.

Even in germany hitler didnt just wake up one day and have a whole nation willing to participate in genocide, it was a calculated systematic process with incremental negative  changes here and there until the average german either contributed or turned a blind eye to genocide.

This country is incredible at 2 things. War, we drop lots of bombs and we all pay for organized murder whether we want to or not, secondly we are incredible at imprisoning our own citizens, number one in the world by a wide margin.

This country is incredible for white males everyone else is second class.This coming from a white male who wants wholesale changes.

57 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

45%

Higher than Obama at this time lol sorry socialists. 

https://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jun23

Wow! Didnt realize there were that many Na$is and white supremacist out there.

Sorry Americans😒

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Wow! Didnt realize there were that many Na$is and white supremacist out there.

Sorry Americans😒

Very prevalent where I live, Spokane WA. It’s like Trump popped the cork on the northern Idaho racists.

11 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Whats so incredible about this country right now???

Like i said if those who were dissatisfied with the status quo in jolly ol England said England is incredible then my dollar bill would most likely have a queen on it instead of an old dude wearing a wig.

When Incremental changes come from those in power its so the peasants dont notice, bread crumbs and football dont quell the masses after wholesale negative changes from those in power instead wholesale changes by the top lead to revolutions which is why its rarely seen by the ruling class except in the case of a conquered nation where those wholesale changes are forced upon the conquered by the conquerors. Wholesale positive changes in a society are more  commonly as a result of those many that have been disenfranchised by the few by enacting wholesale changes much like the revolutionary war.

Even in germany hitler didnt just wake up one day and have a whole nation willing to participate in genocide, it was a calculated systematic process with incremental negative  changes here and there until the average german either contributed or turned a blind eye to genocide.

This country is incredible at 2 things. War, we drop lots of bombs and we all pay for organized murder whether we want to or not, secondly we are incredible at imprisoning our own citizens, number one in the world by a wide margin.

This country is incredible for white males everyone else is second class this coming from a white male who wants wholesale changes.

Try using a period every once in a while.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Very prevalent where I live, Spokane WA. It’s like Trump popped the cork on the northern Idaho racists.

Uggg😠 why do these people exist😞

12 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

I believe to a certain extent, yes.  The difference is that the first Amendment allows people the right to say pretty much whatever they wish, and now the new technology and social media allows for more of these folks to broadcast it to more people.  So, you are exposed to more of these type of thoughts.

FIRE !!! In a theatre, thats how broadcasts need to be handled. Printed and net generated "NEWS” should be policed for out n’ out alternative facts

1 minute ago, Blazehound said:

Try using a period every once in a while.

👍. My. Teachers. In. School. All. Said. The. Same. Thing.😉

I think sometimes i feel rushed to get what i gotta say out before i get interrupted, i have a loud family, that i do the same in my writing.😣

3 hours ago, TEW said:

That would depend on the government, wouldn’t it? It could range wildly from enforcing religious doctrine to enforcing property rights (or non-rights) to enforcing borders and virtually anything in between

Ultimately, government is simply an institution of force. How that force is applied is the tricky part. Most want to wield it as a weapon to impose their will on others.

Nonsense.  Most of governmental functions are focused on serving the people. Roads, water, sewage, safe medicines, safe foods, helping farmers, fire protection, parks and other recreation, flood control etc.  

12 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

I’m primarily speaking of cable television news networks.  What happens (quite often) is that you will get news anchors giving their "2 cents” on a story, during a regular news broadcast. Don Lemon does it all-the-time.  And that’s not technically an "editorial”.   Fox News is guilty of it too.  Just about every cable news network/news anchors do it...some do it more than others...specifically most of the cable news networks.  The BBC is probably the least opinionated out of the major cable networks, imo. 
 

From my experience, the local news does a lot less of it.  Most local news that I watch here in Central Florida typically just reports the news..same thing with most of the Philadelphia channels (from what I recall). 
 

 I can imagine some folks not distinguishing between straight news vs editorial on a network like MSNBC because something like 80% of their reporting is considered opinion driven vs fact/news driven.  I’m truly non partisan so for me it’s pretty easy to distinguish fact vs opinion but for folks that are far left leaning, I can see them eating that stuff up.  People tend to believe/follow people that think like themselves or tell them what they want to hear...it’s human nature. 

This is only black and white vision, no gray ? Almost a whataboutism, DLemon on 2x2=4hrs and FOX is (my guess) 16 hrs a day. MSNBC, I might go out of my way to watch Maddow so 1 hr. If you watch FOX half the time you show a bias while portending to trying to get both sides, just sayin’

19 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Whats so incredible about this country right now???

Like i said if those who were dissatisfied with the status quo in jolly ol England said England is incredible then my dollar bill would most likely have a queen on it instead of an old dude wearing a wig.

When Incremental changes come from those in power its so the peasants dont notice, bread crumbs and football dont quell the masses after wholesale negative changes from those in power instead wholesale changes by the top lead to revolutions which is why its rarely seen by the ruling class except in the case of a conquered nation where those wholesale changes are forced upon the conquered by the conquerors. Wholesale positive changes in a society are more  commonly as a result of those many that have been disenfranchised by the few by enacting wholesale changes much like the revolutionary war.

Even in germany hitler didnt just wake up one day and have a whole nation willing to participate in genocide, it was a calculated systematic process with incremental negative  changes here and there until the average german either contributed or turned a blind eye to genocide.

This country is incredible at 2 things. War, we drop lots of bombs and we all pay for organized murder whether we want to or not, secondly we are incredible at imprisoning our own citizens, number one in the world by a wide margin.

This country is incredible for white males everyone else is second class this coming from a white male who wants wholesale changes.

Tragically, genocide was much more widespread at that time than most would believe.  Stalin was as bad as Hitler objectively IMO.  Mussolini was from the same pool, Chiang Kai-Shek was responsible for millions of deaths in China, Emperor Hirohito in Japan was awful (but protected as royalty).  As awful as Hitler was, the world was rich with some awful players at that time.  WWII in actuality was a few fragmented conflicts playing out at once.
 

Hitler in Germany was a product of the destitution the country was left in at the conclusion of WW1 — the allied powers bankrupted the nation probably more than was practical, and chaos was bound to flourish.

JMO