2 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Haven't we learned by now that polls are meant to shape public opinion, not reflect it. Has 2016 taught us nothing?

I'm 65 and have lived all over the country. I've never been asked to participate in a poll. Neither has anyone in my family.

Five Thirty-eight predicted that Clinton would get more votes than would Trump and made a prediction with error calculations for the Electoral College. Trump lost the popular vote and drew an inside straight with respect to the Electoral College.

Is @IggleWalt still around?

11 hours ago, The guy in France said:

This is only black and white vision, no gray ? Almost a whataboutism, DLemon on 2x2=4hrs and FOX is (my guess) 16 hrs a day. MSNBC, I might go out of my way to watch Maddow so 1 hr. If you watch FOX half the time you show a bias while portending to trying to get both sides, just sayin’

I watch mostly the local news here in Central Florida (80% or more of the time) for the actual news and if I want editorialized news, I’ll click over to the cable news networks.  And no, it’s not 4 hours of left leaning news vs 16 hours of right leaning news, that’s laughable. 

13 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Is @IggleWalt still around?

Good question

44 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Five Thirty-eight predicted that Clinton would get more votes than would Trump and made a prediction with error calculations for the Electoral College. Trump lost the popular vote and drew an inside straight with respect to the Electoral College.

I don't know so much that he drew an inside straight as his campaign wasn't afraid to go to places that Clinton thought she had locked up. How many times did she go to PA, Mich, or WI in the last month of the campaign

Trump simply outworked Clinton over the last month.

1 hour ago, greend said:

Stupid, childish, post. 

The media has conditioned people to have opinions like Ute's for the past four years. To somehow pin everything that's wrong with this country systemically onto Trump even though he's been in politics for less than four years. Like Biden is simply going to walk into office in January and racism and every problem within the system is going to magically disappear. Biden has been in politics for 50 YEARS so if you have an issue with the system there's your problem right there. Someone who's been ingrained in it for half a century. Eric Garner was killed by cops in 2014 when Obama/Biden were in office. Are they systemically racist for allowing that to happen? They were also in office when the gay club in Orlando was shot up back in October 2016. Does that make them homophobic and anti-gay rights? 

I think Trump is a buffoon, but people get all worked up over "Orange man bad" that they can't even think straight. 

39 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The media has conditioned people to have opinions like Ute's for the past four years. To somehow pin everything that's wrong with this country systemically onto Trump even though he's been in politics for less than four years. Like Biden is simply going to walk into office in January and racism and every problem within the system is going to magically disappear. Biden has been in politics for 50 YEARS so if you have an issue with the system there's your problem right there. Someone who's been ingrained in it for half a century. Eric Garner was killed by cops in 2014 when Obama/Biden were in office. Are they systemically racist for allowing that to happen? They were also in office when the gay club in Orlando was shot up back in October 2016. Does that make them homophobic and anti-gay rights? 

I think Trump is a buffoon, but people get all worked up over "Orange man bad" that they can't even think straight. 

I don’t think anyone is putting all of the blame of the current President. However, you cannot deny that him getting elected did encourage a certain subset of our Country to be more vocal with their opinions. He’s not the cause, he just brought it all to light.

2 hours ago, greend said:

Stupid, childish, post. 

So you agree with the post that my post was in response to that those who dont support Trump are socialist?

10 hours ago, Allhaildawk said:

You’ve never heard of 538 but you cling to Rasmussen?  Huh...

Yeah, I'd wager most people haven't heard of 538. Either way 41 and 45 on whichever site you want are number where Obama was or above him at the same point. So really doesn't matter lol. You all are screwed either way.

I'd wager the numbers are even higher because some people who plan to vote for him aren't going to tell people because progressives like the ones on here aren't mentally stable enough to handle it without losing their crap. Some just don't want to deal with that and I understand.

1 hour ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The media has conditioned people to have opinions like Ute's for the past four years. To somehow pin everything that's wrong with this country systemically onto Trump even though he's been in politics for less than four years. Like Biden is simply going to walk into office in January and racism and every problem within the system is going to magically disappear. Biden has been in politics for 50 YEARS so if you have an issue with the system there's your problem right there. Someone who's been ingrained in it for half a century. Eric Garner was killed by cops in 2014 when Obama/Biden were in office. Are they systemically racist for allowing that to happen? They were also in office when the gay club in Orlando was shot up back in October 2016. Does that make them homophobic and anti-gay rights? 

I think Trump is a buffoon, but people get all worked up over "Orange man bad" that they can't even think straight. 

Trump is not to blame for the problems.   I do think the level of backlash and the mass protests are in part due to Trump's rhetoric on certain issues.  The problem has persisted in some form or fashion since the introduction of slavery to the colonies in 1619.   I don't think anyone expects immediate change.  I do think better policies can address issues. 

Experience is an underrated quality when it comes to politicians.  Politicians being in office for a long-time isn't necessarily a problem.  It often serves to lessen the power of bureaucrats. They have a better sense of who to trust and why.  They won't necessarily mindlessly sign off on some bill without reading because their caucus leadership tells them to do it. 

2 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

I don't know so much that he drew an inside straight as his campaign wasn't afraid to go to places that Clinton thought she had locked up. How many times did she go to PA, Mich, or WI in the last month of the campaign

Trump simply outworked Clinton over the last month.

Clinton's campaign did not work well with local party officials.  I think it was more than just not campaigning.  Her staff did not have a good ground game. 

34 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, I'd wager most people haven't heard of 538. Either way 41 and 45 on whichever site you want are number where Obama was or above him at the same point. So really doesn't matter lol. You all are screwed either way.

I'd wager the numbers are even higher because some people who plan to vote for him aren't going to tell people because progressives like the ones on here aren't mentally stable enough to handle it without losing their crap. Some just don't want to deal with that and I understand.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ - Trump compares favorably with Truman and Carter.  He's about where George HW Bush was at this point. 

40 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, I'd wager most people haven't heard of 538. Either way 41 and 45 on whichever site you want are number where Obama was or above him at the same point. So really doesn't matter lol. You all are screwed either way.

I'd wager the numbers are even higher because some people who plan to vote for him aren't going to tell people because progressives like the ones on here aren't mentally stable enough to handle it without losing their crap. Some just don't want to deal with that and I understand.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?cid=rrpromo
 

41 v 47.  47 is more. 
 

the second paragraph is hilarious but not rooted in reality. Nobody is "losing their crap” and besides the fact that we’re eagles fans nobody is mentally unstable. Just more cheap shots...doesn’t say a whole lot about the strength of your argument. Besides the simple and obvious reality...who is that politician that throws daily tantrums and meltdowns on Twitter?  Oh yeah...  also, I’m not a progressive. Have fun in November...
 

Anyway... every time I check in here now it’s politics. Have we just given up on the old blog the way mattwill ran it?  

14 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Tragically, genocide was much more widespread at that time than most would believe.  Stalin was as bad as Hitler objectively IMO.  Mussolini was from the same pool, Chiang Kai-Shek was responsible for millions of deaths in China, Emperor Hirohito in Japan was awful (but protected as royalty).  As awful as Hitler was, the world was rich with some awful players at that time.  WWII in actuality was a few fragmented conflicts playing out at once.
 

Hitler in Germany was a product of the destitution the country was left in at the conclusion of WW1 — the allied powers bankrupted the nation probably more than was practical, and chaos was bound to flourish.

JMO

Don't forget Pol Pot

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ - Trump compares favorably with Truman and Carter.  He's about where George HW Bush was at this point. 

It’s not going to matter bro. Some people are immune to facts. 

3 hours ago, greend said:

I know.  Lots and lots of dead kia white soldiers over the years would disagree on that statement

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ - Trump compares favorably with Truman and Carter.  He's about where George HW Bush was at this point. 

Irrelevant site that sounds like a progressive tool. Rass is a respected site with a history of being one of the most accurate. Accept it or not he is ahead of Obama. Even that other site said 41% approval. You all are screwed. 

15 hours ago, justrelax said:

I find this assertion troubling. It literally accepts sociopathic behavior.

If everyone agrees it is moral than its acceptable

What you should find troubling is that you must reach for such a silly example to make your case

3 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

It’s not going to matter bro. Some people are immune to facts. 

Yeah, like the link you gave me that said 41%...you all are screwed. 

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, like the link you gave me that said 41%...you all are screwed. 

Is 41 or 47 a greater number?  

He still doesn’t get it it’s amazing 

https://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-washington-team-will-be-dumpster-fire-season-2020/ 

Some people might want to avoid the Jack Del Rio section.  

 

6) Who is the starting TE?

It's Jeremy Sprinkle! Who's Jeremy Sprinkle? He's best known for stealing some shirts and multiple wallets (lol) from Belk department stores the week of the Belk Bowl when he was at Arkansas. I'm not making that up. Meh. Whatever. I did worse in college, I'm sure.

Sprinkle has 33 career receptions in 43 games (27 starts). I don't think Tony Gonzalez is sweating his tight end receiving records.

8 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?cid=rrpromo
 

41 v 47.  47 is more. 
 

the second paragraph is hilarious but not rooted in reality. Nobody is "losing their crap” and besides the fact that we’re eagles fans nobody is mentally unstable. Just more cheap shots...doesn’t say a whole lot about the strength of your argument. Besides the simple and obvious reality...who is that politician that throws daily tantrums and meltdowns on Twitter?  Oh yeah...  also, I’m not a progressive. Have fun in November...
 

Anyway... every time I check in here now it’s politics. Have we just given up on the old blog the way mattwill ran it?  

45 dude. You all are losing your ever loving bleep. If you tell a Trump supporter on the street you are voting for Biden we'll shake our heads and think you are dumb. If you tell someone on your side they are a Trump supporter the reaction is N&ZI!!!!! Unfriend you on Facebook!!!! YOU ARE RACIST!!! 

And pretty much this...

41% in your poll shows he is doing just fine. Even past that you can't accurately poll Trump support in this environment because people don't want to deal with your emotionally unstable reactions. 

2 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Is 41 or 47 a greater number?  

He still doesn’t get it it’s amazing 

It was 45 dude. And either way dude that is AS I SAID around Obama or above him at the same time. Regardless of the site you use. 

12 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah...that 41% in the link you sent that I've never heard of...even if it is true is so much different than the 45% from Rasmussen.

Gallup has him at 39% currently.

https://news.gallup.com/interactives/185273/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx

2 minutes ago, twistr said:

Gallup has him at 39% currently.

https://news.gallup.com/interactives/185273/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx

And I'm sure someone will find one in the 30s. I forget how this started, but his approval rating isn't as low as people think. That's the bottom line. Feel free to toss numbers around all day. The other bottom line is you can't accurately poll in this environment because some people who do support him, especially women because they are non confrontational, won't tell you that they support him because they do not want to be labeled or deal with the unstable BS.