Just now, Diehardfan said:

45 dude. You all are losing your ever loving bleep. If you tell a Trump supporter on the street you are voting for Biden we'll shake our heads and think you are dumb. If you tell someone on your side they are a Trump supporter the reaction is NSDAP!!!!! Unfriend you on Facebook!!!! YOU ARE RACIST!!! 

And pretty much this...

41% in your poll shows he is doing just fine. Even past that you can't accurately poll Trump support in this environment because people don't want to deal with your emotionally unstable reactions. 

Who’s you all?  You don’t know me. You’d love me to be triggered to fit into this model you have of a progressive who is weak. That is not me. Six years in combat my man, I’m not a soy chai triggered college kid.  I told you your numbers are wrong and gave you the real ones. So no, sorry, you’ll have to take the canned "triggered you” act to someone who lets you have that power over them. I’m not that guy. 
 

but even if I was that, why do you take so much pleasure in just being a troll?  Your boy is the one crying on Twitter every day, not me. I’ll be fine either way, but the leadership of our country should be more than the internet troll who tries to make people angry. It’s bigger than that man, it really is. Be better than that. And don’t shoot the messenger but you’re going to have a rough November. 

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

And I'm sure someone will find one in the 30s. I forget how this started, but his approval rating isn't as low as people think. That's the bottom line. Feel free to toss numbers around all day. The other bottom line is you can't accurately poll in this environment because some people who do support him, especially women because they are non confrontational, won't tell you that they support him because they do not want to be labeled or deal with the unstable BS.  

This effect has been more than balanced out and consistently runs the other way, people are too ashamed to admit they support him but vote him because they enjoy the chaos effect or feel he’s in their financial interest. Sorry. 

Also, if the political discussion cannot be kept civil and starts to be calling each other dumb, then it needs to move to CVON. IMO. Debate is fine, name calling and the other stuff belongs elsewhere.

4 hours ago, greend said:

I would disagree with this, my morality has very little to do with what society today accepts as morality.

Judeo christian norms are quite common

6 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Who’s you all?  You don’t know me. You’d love me to be triggered to fit into this model you have of a progressive who is weak. That is not me. Six years in combat my man, I’m not a soy chai triggered college kid.  I told you your numbers are wrong and gave you the real ones. So no, sorry, you’ll have to take the canned "triggered you” act to someone who lets you have that power over them. I’m not that guy. 
 

but even if I was that, why do you take so much pleasure in just being a troll?  Your boy is the one crying on Twitter every day, not me. I’ll be fine either way, but the leadership of our country should be more than the internet troll who tries to make people angry. It’s bigger than that man, it really is. Be better than that. And don’t shoot the messenger but you’re going to have a rough November. 

With a massive 145 posts no one here knows you. I don't care if you do or don't fit into that mold.  I'm glad you saw an episode of Oprah with the not letting people have power over you. Don't know what you are talking about, but glad you recorded it on your DVR.  

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

And I'm sure someone will find one in the 30s. I forget how this started, but his approval rating isn't as low as people think. That's the bottom line. Feel free to toss numbers around all day. The other bottom line is you can't accurately poll in this environment because some people who do support him, especially women because they are non confrontational, won't tell you that they support him because they do not want to be labeled or deal with the unstable BS.  

Not the way polling generally works. It's usually anonymous and either from a variety of sources, i.e. phone polls, street polls, internet polls combined. There is no need to be non-confrontational with pollsters, since they don't generally engage, they just give you a sheet of paper to fill out or just record your answers.

1 hour ago, WentzFan11 said:

I don’t think anyone is putting all of the blame of the current President. However, you cannot deny that him getting elected did encourage a certain subset of our Country to be more vocal with their opinions. He’s not the cause, he just brought it all to light.

Let me preface this by saying Trump doesn't help himself at all and that I in no way support white supremacy.  With that being said, while they might be more vocal I don't see those on the far right causing destruction of our country.  What has happened is the total disrespect by the left for anyone in Law Enforcement, the government or anyone who happens to be a Conservative.   You see now a movement to ridicule, shame and get rid of anyone with Conservative values.  Again, Trump doesn't help himself but did we ever see the media disrespect, talk over, yell at and just belittle Obama or anyone prior?  

Another thing that has happened is that BLM the organization and BLM the movement are now lumped as one thing when the 2 should be totally separate.  BLM the organization in my opinion has very bad intentions, Marxist intentions and in no way is actually a cause for black lives  They don't want positive change.  I don't support them at all.  I think the BLM organization is on par with the far right.  Again, this is the organization I'm talking about, not the movement.   

So yes, you're correct that the far right has been more vocal but this extreme far left has as well.  The problem is that the media thinks that just because you are a Trump supporter or even a conservative that you belong with the far right and you are immediately a racist.    

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

With a massive 145 posts no one here knows you. I don't care if you do or don't fit into that mold.  I'm glad you saw an episode of Oprah with the not letting people have power over you. Don't know what you are talking about, but glad you recorded it on your DVR.  

Lol because I didn’t care enough to have my 20k posts or whatever transferred from the last board. Never seen an Oprah in my life man, it was tough to pull in from the mountains of Afghanistan but nice try my dude. You should calm down though youre starting to seem a little defensive or triggered. 
 

look this is pointless you’ve given up on facts and reality that’s clear. If you think he’s done a great job locking up Hilary and having Mexico pay for his fifty miles of wall and repealing and replacing Obamacare and ending the NK threat and having his dope of a son in law fixing the Middle East then you should vote for him. That’s how it works. 
 

I’ll meet you halfway in a genuine effort of reconciliation here because we’re all eagles fans at the end of the day. He often talks about the veterans choice bill he signed into law. I respect that and it means a lot to me. I saw first hand that bill changed the lives of a lot of the guys on my team when it was signed into law in August of 14. 

13 minutes ago, twistr said:

Not the way polling generally works. It's usually anonymous and either from a variety of sources, i.e. phone polls, street polls, internet polls combined. There is no need to be non-confrontational with pollsters, since they don't generally engage, they just give you a sheet of paper to fill out or just record your answers.

I know it is anonymous. I'd still wager almost anything people do not give straight answers. 

1 minute ago, Allhaildawk said:

Lol because I didn’t care enough to have my 20k posts or whatever transferred from the last board. Never seen an Oprah in my life man, it was tough to pull in from the mountains of Afghanistan but nice try my dude. You should calm down though youre starting to seem a little defensive or triggered. 
 

look this is pointless you’ve given up on facts and reality that’s clear. If you think he’s done a great job locking up Hilary and having Mexico pay for his fifty miles of wall and repealing and replacing Obamacare and ending the NK threat and having his dope of a son in law fixing the Middle East then you should vote for him. That’s how it works. 
 

I’ll meet you halfway in a genuine effort of reconciliation here because we’re all eagles fans at the end of the day. He often talks about the veterans choice bill he signed into law. I respect that and it means a lot to me. I saw first hand that bill changed the lives of a lot of the guys on my team when it was signed into law in August of 14. 

I don't know what your last two rambling posts are supposed to me. I'll be honest I couldn't make it through them. Have a good one. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Let me preface this by saying Trump doesn't help himself at all and that I in no way support white supremacy.  With that being said, while they might be more vocal I don't see those on the far right causing destruction of our country.  What has happened is the total disrespect by the left for anyone in Law Enforcement, the government or anyone who happens to be a Conservative.   You see now a movement to ridicule, shame and get rid of anyone with Conservative values.  Again, Trump doesn't help himself but did we ever see the media disrespect, talk over, yell at and just belittle Obama or anyone prior?  

Another thing that has happened is that BLM the organization and BLM the movement are now lumped as one thing when the 2 should be totally separate.  BLM the organization in my opinion has very bad intentions, Marxist intentions and in no way is actually a cause for black lives  They don't want positive change.  I don't support them at all.  I think the BLM organization is on par with the far right.  Again, this is the organization I'm talking about, not the movement.   

So yes, you're correct that the far right has been more vocal but this extreme far left has as well.  The problem is that the media thinks that just because you are a Trump supporter or even a conservative that you belong with the far right and you are immediately a racist.    

This is because you only are seeing what you want to see. Far right folks wade into the fray all too often and have shot people, attacked people, made fake "Antifa" accounts to try and rile people up. It happens, but this post is just an example of confirmation bias. The extremes of both sides are hurting the country.

Also, from everything that I have read from non-propaganda sites, the BLM organization has no intentions other than the stop of police brutality towards black people and the ending of what it sees as systemic oppression. The movement is what sometimes gets things out there...those who think they are doing something good for the cause but end up going too far. Neither are all bad and I'm sure neither are perfect, but there is definitely a demonization of the organization by right wing media. As someone who doesn't look at either left wing or right wing media and tends to go research things myself, I would look at your sources of information, because it seems like you are being fed propaganda. If you have sources of info that show differently that are minimally biased, I am open to see them.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I know it is anonymous. I'd still wager almost anything people do not give straight answers. 

I don't know what your last two rambling posts are supposed to me. I'll be honest I couldn't make it through them. Have a good one. 

Liar. Too bad. 

1 minute ago, twistr said:

This is because you only are seeing what you want to see. Far right folks wade into the fray all too often and have shot people, attacked people, made fake "Antifa" accounts to try and rile people up. It happens, but this post is just an example of confirmation bias. The extremes of both sides are hurting the country.

Also, from everything that I have read from non-propaganda sites, the BLM organization has no intentions other than the stop of police brutality towards black people and the ending of what it sees as systemic oppression. The movement is what sometimes gets things out there...those who think they are doing something good for the cause but end up going too far. Neither are all bad and I'm sure neither are perfect, but there is definitely a demonization of the organization by right wing media. As someone who doesn't look at either left wing or right wing media and tends to go research things myself, I would look at your sources of information, because it seems like you are being fed propaganda. If you have sources of info that show differently that are minimally biased, I am open to see them.

I didn't say the far right isn't out there doing bad things, trust me we are told about it as soon as it happens.  Look at what the far left has done to our cities over the last month...now imagine it was done by the far right.  Trust me I try to look at both sides but it really is hard to.

Have you gone on the BLM site and looked at what they believe? 

I'm not speaking based on propaganda, I'm speaking based off what I read straight from their site.

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Let me preface this by saying Trump doesn't help himself at all and that I in no way support white supremacy.  With that being said, while they might be more vocal I don't see those on the far right causing destruction of our country.  What has happened is the total disrespect by the left for anyone in Law Enforcement, the government or anyone who happens to be a Conservative.   You see now a movement to ridicule, shame and get rid of anyone with Conservative values.  Again, Trump doesn't help himself but did we ever see the media disrespect, talk over, yell at and just belittle Obama or anyone prior?  

Another thing that has happened is that BLM the organization and BLM the movement are now lumped as one thing when the 2 should be totally separate.  BLM the organization in my opinion has very bad intentions, Marxist intentions and in no way is actually a cause for black lives  They don't want positive change.  I don't support them at all.  I think the BLM organization is on par with the far right.  Again, this is the organization I'm talking about, not the movement.   

So yes, you're correct that the far right has been more vocal but this extreme far left has as well.  The problem is that the media thinks that just because you are a Trump supporter or even a conservative that you belong with the far right and you are immediately a racist.    

There's been far more incidents of violence related to far right and white supremacy compared to BLM. It's not even close.  I mean the stated goal of many of these far right  groups is to dismantle the federal government.  It's literally to destroy the country. I mean look at these articles:  https://taskandpurpose.com/analysis/boogaloo-movement-explainer   and https://taskandpurpose.com/news/white-nationalism-troops-iraq-afghanistan  The effort to recruit from the military ranks has been an ongoing concern of the FBI.  

I don't condone any violence.  Certainly the protests have been more disruptive than recent right wing protests like the re-open ones.  I agree that the BLM do want their protests to be disruptive and doing things like shutting down highways is both dangerous and really harmful to working people.  They are not advocating the kind of violence or attempting to carry out the kind of violence as right wing groups.  

30 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Judeo christian norms are quite common

Some are, yes

48 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

I know.  Lots and lots of dead kia white soldiers over the years would disagree on that statement

Among other things. But whateves anymore

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

There's been far more incidents of violence related to far right and white supremacy compared to BLM. It's not even close.  I mean the stated goal of many of these far right  groups is to dismantle the federal government.  It's literally to destroy the country. I mean look at these articles:  https://taskandpurpose.com/analysis/boogaloo-movement-explainer   and https://taskandpurpose.com/news/white-nationalism-troops-iraq-afghanistan  The effort to recruit from the military ranks has been an ongoing concern of the FBI.  

I don't condone any violence.  Certainly the protests have been more disruptive than recent right wing protests like the re-open ones.  I agree that the BLM do want their protests to be disruptive and doing things like shutting down highways is both dangerous and really harmful to working people.  They are not advocating the kind of violence or attempting to carry out the kind of violence as right wing groups.  

There are far left groups doing the exact same thing, recruiting high school kids, telling them how to get arrested.  I had just read about an organization and watched their videos, wish I had saved the link.

Again, I'm not saying there aren't far right groups doing damage.  The problem is that if you are a Conservative you are automatically lumped in with them whereas the same doesn't happen with far left groups.  

 

51 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Irrelevant site that sounds like a progressive tool. Rass is a respected site with a history of being one of the most accurate. Accept it or not he is ahead of Obama. Even that other site said 41% approval. You all are screwed. 

As a statistician, I can say with confidence that you have no idea of what you are talking about.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

There are far left groups doing the exact same thing, recruiting high school kids, telling them how to get arrested.  I had just read about an organization and watched their videos, wish I had saved the link.

Again, I'm not saying there aren't far right groups doing damage.  The problem is that if you are a Conservative you are automatically lumped in with them whereas the same doesn't happen with far left groups.  

 

You’re painting with an awfully broad brush. I don’t know a single person who thinks that way. 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You’re painting with an awfully broad brush. I don’t know a single person who thinks that way. 

I'm basing this off what I see happen on the news or what I read via social media (half the problem is reading this crap).

I can also say that dating sucks anymore.  I hit it off with a woman and things were going well. I happened to ask what her deal breakers were and she mentioned Conservative men.  I asked her why and her response was all Conservatives are racist a-holes.  This is a woman with a very respectable job in my area but in her mind all Conservative men are racist a-holes.  

 

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

There's been far more incidents of violence related to far right and white supremacy compared to BLM. It's not even close.  I mean the stated goal of many of these far right  groups is to dismantle the federal government.  It's literally to destroy the country. I mean look at these articles:  https://taskandpurpose.com/analysis/boogaloo-movement-explainer   and https://taskandpurpose.com/news/white-nationalism-troops-iraq-afghanistan  The effort to recruit from the military ranks has been an ongoing concern of the FBI.  

I don't condone any violence.  Certainly the protests have been more disruptive than recent right wing protests like the re-open ones.  I agree that the BLM do want their protests to be disruptive and doing things like shutting down highways is both dangerous and really harmful to working people.  They are not advocating the kind of violence or attempting to carry out the kind of violence as right wing groups.  

That's what bothers me is blocking roads or highways.  I'm fine with protesting 24/7 if that's what people want to do.  But just do it so cars can still pass by.  I'd hate to be extremely sick and have to get to a hospital but I cant because protesters are blocking a road or highway.  Or worse yet if someone had an emergency, pregnancy or in an ambulance trying to get to a hospital.

It's just not smart.

 

48 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

That's what bothers me is blocking roads or highways.  I'm fine with protesting 24/7 if that's what people want to do.  But just do it so cars can still pass by.  I'd hate to be extremely sick and have to get to a hospital but I cant because protesters are blocking a road or highway.  Or worse yet if someone had an emergency, pregnancy or in an ambulance trying to get to a hospital.

It's just not smart.

That's a good point.  I mean truck drivers often have very firm deadlines.  They have limited driving time during the day.  If they are late or unable to drive, it impacts their employment. 

56 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

There are far left groups doing the exact same thing, recruiting high school kids, telling them how to get arrested.  I had just read about an organization and watched their videos, wish I had saved the link.

Again, I'm not saying there aren't far right groups doing damage.  The problem is that if you are a Conservative you are automatically lumped in with them whereas the same doesn't happen with far left groups.  

 

I'm not lumping any conservative in with those groups. I do understand how it feels as if the media is lumping an average Republican in with those far right people.   I wouldn't put any Republican I know in those groups.  I think the problem is, in part, the President both in the divisiveness he creates. I mean no one really hated George W, his father or Reagan like Trump.  Also, his rhetoric is often a kind of dog whistle for a lot of these group's issues.  I mean immigration policy has often been a bipartisan issue.  Reagan gave one of the largest amnesty's in history to undocumented immigrants.  Businesses that rely on immigrant labor want lax border enforcement.  His policy definitely caters to a certain sect of right wing nationalism in a way that George W's never did.  

I think the difference in the far left groups is that they're not advocating violence or terrorist attacks.  

You guys seen any eagles talk around here? 

51 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I didn't say the far right isn't out there doing bad things, trust me we are told about it as soon as it happens.  Look at what the far left has done to our cities over the last month...now imagine it was done by the far right.  Trust me I try to look at both sides but it really is hard to.

Have you gone on the BLM site and looked at what they believe? 

I'm not speaking based on propaganda, I'm speaking based off what I read straight from their site.

 

From their site:

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Four years ago, what is now known as the Black Lives Matter Global Network began to organize. It started out as a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission was to build local power and to intervene when violence was inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.

In the years since, we’ve committed to struggling together and to imagining and creating a world free of anti-Blackness, where every Black person has the social, economic, and political power to thrive.

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

Enraged by the death of Trayvon Martin and the subsequent acquittal of his killer, George Zimmerman, and inspired by the 31-day takeover of the Florida State Capitol by POWER U and the Dream Defenders, we took to the streets. A year later, we set out together on the Black Lives Matter Freedom Ride to Ferguson, in search of justice for Mike Brown and all of those who have been torn apart by state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Forever changed, we returned home and began building the infrastructure for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, which, even in its infancy, has become a political home for many.

Ferguson helped to catalyze a movement to which we’ve all helped give life. Organizers who call this network home have ousted anti-Black politicians, won critical legislation to benefit Black lives, and changed the terms of the debate on Blackness around the world. Through movement and relationship building, we have also helped catalyze other movements and shifted culture with an eye toward the dangerous impacts of anti-Blackness.

These are the results of our collective efforts.

The Black Lives Matter Global Network is as powerful as it is because of our membership, our partners, our supporters, our staff, and you. Our continued commitment to liberation for all Black people means we are continuing the work of our ancestors and fighting for our collective freedom because it is our duty.

Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades, allies, and family a culture where each person feels seen, heard, and supported.

We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities.

We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.

We intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting.

We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others.

We see ourselves as part of the global Black family, and we are aware of the different ways we are impacted or privileged as Black people who exist in different parts of the world.

We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location.

We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.

We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.

We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work "double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

We cultivate an intergenerational and communal network free from ageism. We believe that all people, regardless of age, show up with the capacity to lead and learn.

We embody and practice justice, liberation, and peace in our engagements with one another.

That's their what we believe page. I am struggling to see how there is anything wrong with this.

 

Edit for clarification: Not saying that I believe everything they do, but none of it seems nefarious to me. It's not trying to destroy our society, but make it more equal and better as far as they believe.

43 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

As a statistician, I can say with confidence that you have no idea of what you are talking about.

This made me laugh. Such a great retort. Well played.