5 hours ago, Allhaildawk said:

You guys seen any eagles talk around here? 

4 aisles down on the bottom shelf.

7 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

There is a wing of the "progressives" that have adopted fascist tactics - cancel culture, CRT, etc.

They are probably a very small group, same on the right.

The internet allows you to organize demonstrations much like "flash mobs," and media attention gravitates to the more aggressive tactics, demonstrate quietly and you're ignored unless you have huge numbers, but a few hundred schmucks with rocks and torches can garner nonstop coverage. And it's easy these days to get a couple hundred, mostly young men between 18-30, to show up, as much out of boredom and looking for "action" or their 15 minutes of fame as political conviction.

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

This is my last post here. Seeing political ads, in this case for Brian Fitzpatrick, but it could be anyone, I will not post or visit here again. Live long and prosper, Y’all.

Hopefully they fix whatever is broken.

Same to you if this is the end.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The worst of it is in Phoenix/Maricopa county. I live in Pima county. It’s higher then it has been but nothing like Navajo and maricopa. It’s really bad in those places. I’ve been wearing masks and washing my hands all the time to avoid getting it. 

After last weekend, assume it's everywhere within driving distance of Phoenix.

I'd be staying home for a while, if possible.

19 hours ago, TEW said:

 

Total naivete.

I served as an elected official for seventeen years and in appointed positions for 25. I think if anyone is naive or deluded it is you. 

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

They are probably a very small group, same on the right.

The internet allows you to organize demonstrations much like "flash mobs," and media attention gravitates to the more aggressive tactics, demonstrate quietly and you're ignored unless you have huge numbers, but a few hundred schmucks with rocks and torches can garner nonstop coverage. And it's easy these days to get a couple hundred, mostly young men between 18-30, to show up, as much out of boredom and looking for "action" or their 15 minutes of fame as political conviction.

Not so small and growing, particularly among the Woke.

23 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

There is no legal duty to be considerate
 

you dont seem to grasp that definition

Depends what kind of society you want to live in, dog eat dog, like much of Latin American, the third world, Russia, etc.?

There are no "inalienable rights" because you'd have to have a consensus between various Christians (lots of Protestants won't accept Catholic theology,  etc.), Muslims, Jews, Diests, Atheists, and Wiccans et al. It was easier in the "good old days" when someone who didn't accept the dominant theology, and thus the assumptions about what constituted natural law, could be burned at the stake. This is why the Bill of Rights has the Establishment Clause (originally supported by Baptists and other Protestant denominations who didn't want to be taxed to support the Anglican Church). In the US, all law emanates from the Constitution, except where there's a void, in which case it's filled by a combination of State Law, which must conform to state constitutions, and vestiges of the Common Law. There is no "God made" American law.

So there are no "fundamental rights" in America, they're all political in nature, either provided by the Constitution (determined by the politics of the Convention, which were written with an eye on the Ratifying Conventions) or by laws that pass Constitutional muster. Now the Constitution in turn is effectively what the Supreme Court says it is (example, the 2nd amendment includes the qualifying clause "A Well Regulated Militia", which will allow a future Court to regulate the right to bear arms, even limiting to the members of the National Guard by one plausible interpretation - that is, the right to bear arms by a well regulated militia shall not be infringed - the current interpretation is not absolute).

However, society is bound by both formal laws and informal convention, a society where people do anything they want without regard to their fellow citizens as long as they can get away with it will be both extremely litigious and uncivilized. Most of us generally try to be considerate because it improves the quality of life for both ourselves and our neighbors - consideration for others is the highest form of manners (the lowest form are affectations used to convince your fellow (wo)man of your wealth and social superiority).

Mask wearing is both a matter of manners, but also should be a matter of law, except that we have a lot of stupid people, both in the WH and among Governors. It should be a matter of law, because it's too inefficient to allow tort law to handle it (i.e. allow people to sue other people for breathing on them and getting them sick, proof would be too difficult).

We KNOW wearing masks has tremendous social benefit at minimal personal cost. When the cost/benefit ratio is so skewed, any intelligent society would require masks when social distancing is infeasible during a pandemic. It's not rocket science, it's common (though often uncommon, it seems) sense.

Nor does a mask requirement violate any constitutional right, the Supreme Court has ruled on this in the past, the police power during a pandemic certainly extends to masks.

Of course, stupidity is an essential American trait, the same arguments about masks were made during the Spanish Flu in 1919.

Which is why H.L. Mencken (despite being racist and anti-Semitic) is one of my favorite American writers, a great observer of White Christian American and its foibles.

Our constitution does actually state we have certain inalienable rights...

so thanks for the gibberish, i guess

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Our constitution does actually state we have certain inalienable rights...

so thanks for the gibberish, i guess

Actually, it doesn't, you're confusing the Declaration of Independence, which has no legal authority, with the Constitution.

One is a propaganda piece, rationalizing rebellion against their "rightful King," the other establishing the legal framework for the New Republic.

I’m way behind the times on video game platforms, but I decided on a whim to buy a used Wii U. What an underrated gaming system. I’m surprised it flopped so badly. 

Sorry for the off topic post. 

31 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

After last weekend, assume it's everywhere within driving distance of Phoenix.

I'd be staying home for a while, if possible.

We are about an hour south. Maricopa county has 35000+ Cases. Phoenix has 1.7 million. Pima county is at 6300+ cases. So there’s a big discrepancy granted Phoenix has more people but Pima county isn’t small it’s 1.1 mil pop and Tucson is the 33rd biggest city in the US so only 6300 cases when compared to Phoenix is pretty low comparatively. Big concerns are the wild fires in Tucson. It’s just at 33 percent contained and is continuing to not get help from Mother Nature with no rain in sight. 

29 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Depends what kind of society you want to live in, dog eat dog, like much of Latin American, the third world, Russia, etc.?

There are no "inalienable rights" because you'd have to have a consensus between various Christians (lots of Protestants won't accept Catholic theology,  etc.), Muslims, Jews, Diests, Atheists, and Wiccans et al. It was easier in the "good old days" when someone who didn't accept the dominant theology, and thus the assumptions about what constituted natural law, could be burned at the stake. This is why the Bill of Rights has the Establishment Clause (originally supported by Baptists and other Protestant denominations who didn't want to be taxed to support the Anglican Church). In the US, all law emanates from the Constitution, except where there's a void, in which case it's filled by a combination of State Law, which must conform to state constitutions, and vestiges of the Common Law. There is no "God made" American law.

So there are no "fundamental rights" in America, they're all political in nature, either provided by the Constitution (determined by the politics of the Convention, which were written with an eye on the Ratifying Conventions) or by laws that pass Constitutional muster. Now the Constitution in turn is effectively what the Supreme Court says it is (example, the 2nd amendment includes the qualifying clause "A Well Regulated Militia", which will allow a future Court to regulate the right to bear arms, even limiting to the members of the National Guard by one plausible interpretation - that is, the right to bear arms by a well regulated militia shall not be infringed - the current interpretation is not absolute).

However, society is bound by both formal laws and informal convention, a society where people do anything they want without regard to their fellow citizens as long as they can get away with it will be both extremely litigious and uncivilized. Most of us generally try to be considerate because it improves the quality of life for both ourselves and our neighbors - consideration for others is the highest form of manners (the lowest form are affectations used to convince your fellow (wo)man of your wealth and social superiority).

Mask wearing is both a matter of manners, but also should be a matter of law, except that we have a lot of stupid people, both in the WH and among Governors. It should be a matter of law, because it's too inefficient to allow tort law to handle it (i.e. allow people to sue other people for breathing on them and getting them sick, proof would be too difficult).

We KNOW wearing masks has tremendous social benefit at minimal personal cost. When the cost/benefit ratio is so skewed, any intelligent society would require masks when social distancing is infeasible during a pandemic. It's not rocket science, it's common (though often uncommon, it seems) sense.

Nor does a mask requirement violate any constitutional right, the Supreme Court has ruled on this in the past, the police power during a pandemic certainly extends to masks.

Of course, stupidity is an essential American trait, the same arguments about masks were made during the Spanish Flu in 1919.

Which is why H.L. Mencken (despite being racist and anti-Semitic) is one of my favorite American writers, a great observer of White Christian American and its foibles.

Didn't you have a quote by him in your sig on the old boards.

43 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I served as an elected official for seventeen years and in appointed positions for 25. I think if anyone is naive or deluded it is you. 

I’m sure you do. Unfortunately, the reality of government is quite a bit different than do-good local politicians believe.

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m way behind the times on video game platforms, but I decided on a whim to buy a used Wii U. What an underrated gaming system. I’m surprised it flopped so badly. 

Sorry for the off topic post. 

Considering the typical topics lately there's no need to be sorry

https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/?fbclid=IwAR2rQ5D5Fyq6qgTRpdU6clh8a_7iOY_AUDe76SvfMAxywUnUPZVnoGzVVgM
 

This guy has been a cop since 97.

7 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/?fbclid=IwAR2rQ5D5Fyq6qgTRpdU6clh8a_7iOY_AUDe76SvfMAxywUnUPZVnoGzVVgM
 

This guy has been a cop since 97.

"stress of today’s climate as a reason for his words..."

lol

That's a moron realizing he got caught, and that's the best his racist, redneck brain could come up with to tell the judge.

42 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m way behind the times on video game platforms, but I decided on a whim to buy a used Wii U. What an underrated gaming system. I’m surprised it flopped so badly. 

Sorry for the off topic post. 

My niece and nephew love the Wii they have and it isn't even the U.  They play the basic games and have a blast.

I haven't had a gaming console in ages but I'm considering getting Madden, as much as it sucks, for PC just to get a football fix.

Supposedly DeSean is clocking 23mph at 80% effort. That sounds embellished. But hes still fast. Theres a short clip in here too.

https://heavy.com/sports/2020/06/eagles-desean-jackson-working-out-florida/?fbclid=IwAR2h522tebbbMz2sVjMoqt4uEXQXD-5Q6nc0g_DwuHRk3v-BiwVNKFYIgGA

8 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Didn't you have a quote by him in your sig on the old boards.

"When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental — men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost... All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

I had the idiot President quote, but there are so many good ones:

It is impossible to imagine the universe run by a wise, just and omnipotent God, but it is quite easy to imagine it run by a board of gods.

Communism, like any other revealed religion, is largely made up of prophecies.

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.

No one in this world, so far as I know - and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me - has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people.

It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man.

A church is a place in which gentlemen who have never been to heaven brag about it to persons who will never get there.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

Before a man speaks it is always safe to assume that he is a fool. After he speaks, it is seldom necessary to assume it.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/?fbclid=IwAR2rQ5D5Fyq6qgTRpdU6clh8a_7iOY_AUDe76SvfMAxywUnUPZVnoGzVVgM
 

This guy has been a cop since 97.

How many times has the police union saved his bacon?

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

Say what? Stalin killed a lot of people, but other than the "Doctors plot," never engaged in wholesale killing of jews specifically, although he was certainly antisemitic (as were and still are most Russians). The Great purge killed a lot of Jews out of the half million, but more because they were disproportionately involved in Party politics or members of the intelligentsia. The Great Famine killed mostly Ukrainian peasants, few who were Jewish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and_antisemitism

If we had wanted to commit genocide against Native Americans, there would be no Native Americans left.

The primary cause of death was disease imported by Europeans, but since they had no concept of germ theory, they couldn't have weaponized it. The reports of using smallpox blankets, etc. have been refuted. The real problem was lack of immunity by Native Americans, similar to what happened in Europe during both the Justinian Plague and Black Death, the latter killing 40-50% of Europeans from a disease imported from China.

White Americans certainly oppressed and killed Native Americans, so did the Spanish, and before them the Aztecs and Mayans. The Comanche and Sioux crushed neighboring tribes, practically exterminating some. White Europeans were not better or worse than the rest of humanity, they just had better technology. American Indians did not live in a peaceful paradise before the arrival of Europeans, they did a fine job murdering each other with stone age technology.

It is racist to hold White Europeans to higher standards than the rest of the world, since that presumes White Europeans are morally superior.

That other countries and other indian tribes killed each other doesnt excuse what americans did and continue to do to native americans, what aboutism doesnt excuse genocide. America took specific steps to destroy the native american culture not just by killing them but banning them from using their language and re educating them.the best way to kill a people is by killing its language. Having said that small pox did wipe out millions of indians when settlers inadvertently introduced livestock. Having said that there are also documents of general Amhurst who specifically called for " small pox" blankets to be sent to indians in attempt to infect and kill the indians, whether it worked is up for debate.

That the killing of native americans was by accidental small pox doesnt excuse the goal of american settlers,which was to exterminate native americans from the land and small pox assisted in that effort either way.

As for hitler and Stalin how about we agree they killed lots of people and made lots of bad choices.😞

50 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m way behind the times on video game platforms, but I decided on a whim to buy a used Wii U. What an underrated gaming system. I’m surprised it flopped so badly. 

The library is thin. So at full price, it's a bad investment.

The PS4 has a great library, so it'll be a great investment once the PS5 is out. 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

That other countries and other indian tribes killed each other doesnt excuse what americans did and continue to do to native americans, what aboutism doesnt excuse genocide. America took specific steps to destroy the native american culture not just by killing them but banning them from using their language and re educating them.the best way to kill a people is by killing its language. Having said that small pox did wipe out millions of indians when settlers inadvertently introduced livestock. Having said that there are also documents of general Amhurst who specifically called for " small pox" blankets to be sent to indians in attempt to infect and kill the indians, whether it worked is up for debate.

Whether the killing of native americans was by accidental small pox doesnt excuse the goal of american settlers,which was to exterminate native americans from the land and small pox assisted in that effort either way.

As for hitler and Stalin how about we agree they killed lots of people and made lots of bad choices.😞

https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets

3 hours ago, justrelax said:

This is my last post here. Seeing political ads, in this case for Brian Fitzpatrick, but it could be anyone, I will not post or visit here again. Live long and prosper, Y’all.

Wow.  That will be a huge loss 

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

My niece and nephew love the Wii they have and it isn't even the U.  They play the basic games and have a blast.

I haven't had a gaming console in ages but I'm considering getting Madden, as much as it sucks, for PC just to get a football fix.

My son just refurbished my old Gamecube.  Frankly, MarioKart DoubleDash was easily their best racing game ever.  It was so unique and had layers of strategy in which characters you teamed up to race with... cart size, speed, specials... it was much more strategic than just pick your favorite character.   But, he's been getting caught up in Mario Baseball again.  Then, today he put the Wii U back into service, but so that he could play the Wii Mariokart.