2 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

...and really aren't great at identifying talent through the draft...if we were better evaluators, we'd feel like we could hit well into the 3rd round.

Honestly one of the reasons New England has success is they are trading back of the first round or second. they tend to go by players 24-50 are usually always similar in graded talent  Players 55-80 are similarly graded. So they maneuver back and get more picks and picks on future drafts so they have like 9 or more picks in nearly every draft so they can swing and Miss a lot but also have 3-5 that also hit. So 50 percent hit on 10 picks looks better than 50 percent on 6. 

4 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I'm not high on Reagor. Most of his highlights are from punt returns. Didn't run an excellent 40 for a guy whose game is speed. And I'm not convinced from his play against soft Big 12 defenses that he's going to be a very good WR in the NFL. He could be, but I'm certainly not convinced enough to take him at 21. 53 would be a different story..

If he had a QB who could throw that wouldn't be true.

Hell, if I’m the Bengals, I’m taking Tua. The reason I’m seeing Burrow as the consensus #1 pick is Because he’s "safe”. Being called "safe” , imo, is a Ryan Tannehill or Andy Dalton. Sure, put a good team around them, they’ll take you to the playoffs and maybe win a game. 
 

Tua looks like a left handed Russell Wilson to me. Others compare him to Drew Brees. I’ll take that guy. 
 

Go big or go home. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's no better for me..

 

Hope was alive for a moment...

Lol. 

honestly don’t see the bucs just letting Godwin walk or trading him tbh. 

13 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I know but I dont see Reagor being a better pro than Higgins.  Faster?  Yes but not better all around.  

If both are there at 21, Higgins should be the choice of the 2 and a no brainer.  Just my opinion.

It's not an outrageous take to think Higgins turns out to be better. I'm just basing it off where most people have them ranked. General consensus is Reagor is taken ahead and likely a 1st rounder. Higgins is behind and will be taken later then most think. Could be a smokescreen, and it only takes one team to throw a wrench into anything, so who knows. I just think Reagor then Higgins has a better chance percentage than Higgins then Reagor.

Just now, RLC said:

If he had a QB who could throw that wouldn't be true.

That's a fair point. I've hardly done a thorough evaluation of the guy either. Just going off the little I have seen.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

There are players to be had there.  The Eagles just don't find them.

Thats pretty much what I was getting at. The Eagles struggle so bad to find talent after the "top prospects" are off the board. Yet they always manage to be average, or slightly above average. Which in turn kills them come draft time.  If they could evaluate talent through 3 rounds, we would be a deep playoff team year after year. Instead of this, barely getting in, just missing getting in, getting in and losing the 1st or 2nd game...  Then back to picking in the mid-late 1st  round... rinse...repeat...

The other part of what I was saying is that in any given year, they seem to find themselves just outside of the top prospect window.  Like this year. There are probably 16-18 TOP prospects. We are at 21. 

Last year there were 17-20 TOP Prospects, and we were at 22.  

2015  18 Top prospects, we picked at 20...and got Nelson Aghodrop  

You see where im going with this... Always close to being in the mix for a top prospect, but always just out of reach. While at the same time, aside from 1 year,  not winning anything to be excited about. Its a life of mediocrity... Aside from that 1 year. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's not an outrageous take to think Higgins turns out to be better. I'm just basing it off where most people have them ranked. General consensus is Reagor is taken ahead and likely a 1st rounder. Higgins is behind and will be taken later then most think. Could be a smokescreen, and it only takes one team to throw a wrench into anything, so who knows. I just think Reagor then Higgins has a better chance percentage then Higgins then Reagor.

Alot of teams value speed more than other things.  So maybe Reagor does go before Higgins.  Still, just crazy to me.

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

That's a fair point. I've hardly done a thorough evaluation of the guy either. Just going off the little I have seen.

What I like is the amount of separation he gets out of his cuts, then added he’s fast enough to make it count. I’m tired of the having Wentz trying to squeeze it into tight windows and have to throw guys open. Reagor creates tremendous separation from the slot or the outside and it’s an element that is sorely lacking. 
 

For this team I value that over RAC ability right now. 

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Hell, if I’m the Bengals, I’m taking Tua. The reason I’m seeing Burrow as the consensus #1 pick is Because he’s "safe”. Being called "safe” , imo, is a Ryan Tannehill or Andy Dalton. Sure, put a good team around them, they’ll take you to the playoffs and maybe win a game. 
 

Tua looks like a left handed Russell Wilson to me. Others compare him to Drew Brees. I’ll take that guy. 
 

Go big or go home. 

I like Lawrence better than any of them. One team that doesn’t address QB high this draft is gonna be very lucky next year. 

1 minute ago, What The F said:

Thats pretty much what I was getting at. The Eagles struggle so bad to find talent after the "top prospects" are off the board. Yet they always manage to be average, or slightly above average. Which in turn kills them come draft time.  If they could evaluate talent through 3 rounds, we would be a deep playoff team year after year. Instead of this, barely getting in, just missing getting in, getting in and losing the 1st or 2nd game...  Then back to picking in the mid-late 1st  round... rinse...repeat...

The other part of what I was saying is that in any given year, they seem to find themselves just outside of the top prospect window.  Like this year. There are probably 16-18 TOP prospects. We are at 21. 

Last year there were 17-20 TOP Prospects, and we were at 22.  

2015  18 Top prospects, we picked at 20...and got Nelson Aghodrop  

You see where im going with this... Always close to being in the mix for a top prospect, but always just out of reach. While at the same time, aside from 1 year,  not winning anything to be excited about. Its a life of mediocrity... Aside from that 1 year. 

Again, that's the reality of being a playoff team.   You want them to miss the playoffs? 

 

8 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

As much as I like Reagor, if he’s their big WR addition of the offseason, this is my reaction and probably Wentz’s as well

 

Until you see him catching a quick in from Carson and taking it 80 yards because the safety was on the other side of the field over DJack.

 

6 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Why would Bucs let Godwin walk?

They will have 80 million in cap room next year, he will have a new deal by next year 

Tell em, Beast!

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Hell, if I’m the Bengals, I’m taking Tua. The reason I’m seeing Burrow as the consensus #1 pick is Because he’s "safe”. Being called "safe” , imo, is a Ryan Tannehill or Andy Dalton. Sure, put a good team around them, they’ll take you to the playoffs and maybe win a game. 
 

Tua looks like a left handed Russell Wilson to me. Others compare him to Drew Brees. I’ll take that guy. 
 

Go big or go home. 

 

Just now, FTheCowboys said:

I like Lawrence better than any of them. One team that doesn’t address QB high this draft is gonna be very lucky next year. 

Honestly the jags are going to get him. They are going to be awful. I don’t see another team remotely close to how bad they are going to be. I would’ve said the panthers if they went with Allen or grier even with mccaffrey, Moore. But signing bridgewater they’ll go 6-10 to 8-8 and take themselves out of it 

Just now, Green Dog said:

Until you see him catching a quick in from Carson and taking it 80 yards because the safety was on the other side of the field over DJack.

 

Tell em, Beast!

Imo godwin is bucs most complete WO, better than Evan's

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Again, that's the reality of being a playoff team.   You want them to miss the playoffs? 

 

Its a hindsight thing. Id never want them to miss the playoffs because once in, you never know whats going to happen.

With that being said, if you told me they would make the playoffs, but would lose game 1 or 2, id prefer to finish around 500 and get a pick in the top 15. 

Just now, FTheCowboys said:

I like Lawrence better than any of them. One team that doesn’t address QB high this draft is gonna be very lucky next year. 

Yeah you can’t look into the future because you have no idea how things are going to play out. But I’m always on board to upgrade the QB position. If the Bengals find themselves at #1 overall next year and think Lawrence is an upgrade. Draft him. 

1 minute ago, What The F said:

Thats pretty much what I was getting at. The Eagles struggle so bad to find talent after the "top prospects" are off the board. Yet they always manage to be average, or slightly above average. Which in turn kills them come draft time.  If they could evaluate talent through 3 rounds, we would be a deep playoff team year after year. Instead of this, barely getting in, just missing getting in, getting in and losing the 1st or 2nd game...  Then back to picking in the mid-late 1st  round... rinse...repeat...

The other part of what I was saying is that in any given year, they seem to find themselves just outside of the top prospect window.  Like this year. There are probably 16-18 TOP prospects. We are at 21. 

Last year there were 17-20 TOP Prospects, and we were at 22.  

2015  18 Top prospects, we picked at 20...and got Nelson Aghodrop  

You see where im going with this... Always close to being in the mix for a top prospect, but always just out of reach. While at the same time, aside from 1 year,  not winning anything to be excited about. Its a life of mediocrity... Aside from that 1 year. 

But there has been several drafts where they had a chance to take a more proven prospect but yet went with a surprise or unknown player.

The Eagles have had chances to get good players regardless of where they pick but went in another direction.

1 minute ago, obedt said:

What I like is the amount of separation he gets out of his cuts, then added he’s fast enough to make it count. I’m tired of the having Wentz trying to squeeze it into tight windows and have to throw guys open. Reagor creates tremendous separation from the slot or the outside and it’s an element that is sorely lacking. 
 

For this team I value that over RAC ability right now. 

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There are players to be had there.  The Eagles just don't find them.

There’s plenty of talent even in the 4th and 5th rounds this year.  And sleepers in the 6th & 7th. 

Just now, 315Eagles said:

But there has been several drafts where they had a chance to take a more proven prospect but yet went with a surprise or unknown player.

The Eagles have had chances to get good players regardless of where they pick but went in another direction.

Frustrating isnt it? 

41 minutes ago, What The F said:

Is it me, or does it seem like every year, outside of the Wentz year, the Eagles are always... ALWAYS... slotted to pick right at the point where the top prospects will likely be gone, and the 2nd tier guys start going....  weather its 21, 26, 16,  wherever... It seems to me like we are always 1-2 picks on the  outside looking in on the top prospects.  

Self fulfilling prophecy by the fans. They convinced themselves that's happening again this year even though Higgins is projected to still be available. 

13 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I'm not high on Reagor. Most of his highlights are from punt returns. Didn't run an excellent 40 for a guy whose game is speed. And I'm not convinced from his play against soft Big 12 defenses that he's going to be a very good WR in the NFL. He could be, but I'm certainly not convinced enough to take him at 21. 53 would be a different story..

Apparently he dropped weight and did a "virtual pro-day” and had his 40 time clocked by 2 independent sources...in the 4.3 range. 

10 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I'm not high on Reagor. Most of his highlights are from punt returns. Didn't run an excellent 40 for a guy whose game is speed. And I'm not convinced from his play against soft Big 12 defenses that he's going to be a very good WR in the NFL. He could be, but I'm certainly not convinced enough to take him at 21. 53 would be a different story..

He's definitely faster than his combine 40.  Hard to put too much stock in these unofficial remote pro days but he was in the 4.2's at his which seems much closer to his game speed.  Also pretty sure he was tied for 2nd in the vertical at the combine. He's an athletic freak if it makes you feel any better.  I was much happier with the pick when I thought it might be via trade down but still there's a lot to like about the guy.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

But there has been several drafts where they had a chance to take a more proven prospect but yet went with a surprise or unknown player.

The Eagles have had chances to get good players regardless of where they pick but went in another direction.

I actually keep a journal of who i would’ve taken and who the eagles took. Sometimes i agree with their pick. It’s interesting to see how many you get right and they got wrong and vice versa. Or times you were both right or both wrong.