1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

How dumb is it to shoot off fireworks in a National Park that is primarily conifer forest (Ponderosa pine) and historically very dry in July and currently in a moderate drought.  Hoping that nothing catches fire. Anyone out there shooting off fireworks should be cognizant of the fire risk. 

probably not too dumb. Id guess the professional theyve hired to set them off knows what hes doing and if he thought it wasnt safe he would cancel. 

47 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No, I didn't.   That's what you interpreted my comment to mean.  But, I guess that's the world we live in now.  What I said, was to wake me when Notre Dame's name is up for discussion.  I've been against the term "Redskins" for a long time, and haven't used it until this conversation with you.  But, the truth is that there won't be a change to Notre Dame's mascot, even though it is equally 'characturish' as the "Chief Wahoo" used by the Cleveland Indians.  And it implies that the Irish are small, drunk, and pugilistic. 

 

Well, back in my day the Irish kids used to beat up on the Jewish kids - who'd taunt them by telling them they'd be working for them some day.

In my experience, many Irish are drunk and pugilistic, especially on St Patrick's day, but "small"? 

There's a grain of truth in many stereotypes, the Irish were mostly farmers, but unlike many European farmers (Scandinavians, Germans, Dutch) they flocked to the cities. They took the tough jobs (building the canals in New Orleans b/c slaves were too valuable) and became the backbone of the police in many Northern cities (probably due to their ward leaders reserving those jobs for them). Though after five generations, Irish Catholics trailed only Jews when it came to education (before a recent influx of Asians who also prioritize education). Which shows how ethnic identity and culture evolve over time and distance.

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

probably not too dumb. Id guess the professional theyve hired to set them off knows what hes doing and if he thought it wasnt safe he would cancel. 

Hopefully, those won't be "famous last words."

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Well, back in my day the Irish kids used to beat up on the Jewish kids - who'd taunt them by telling them they'd be working for them some day.

In my experience, many Irish are drunk and pugilistic, especially on St Patrick's day, but "small"? 

There's a grain of truth in many stereotypes, the Irish were mostly farmers, but unlike many European farmers (Scandinavians, Germans, Dutch) they flocked to the cities. They took the tough jobs (building the canals in New Orleans b/c slaves were too valuable) and became the backbone of the police in many Northern cities (probably due to their ward leaders reserving those jobs for them). Though after five generations, Irish Catholics trailed only Jews when it came to education (before a recent influx of Asians who also prioritize education). Which shows how ethnic identity and culture evolve over time and distance.

There's always a kernel of truth in any stereotype.   But, the mascot is about the 'leprechaun' - which is small.  I'd also say that in my day, there were no 'Irish' kids, versus 'Jewish' kids, versus 'Italian' kids.  We were just kids.  We found something different than the genetics of the individual to pick on - and yep... there were kids who'd be taunted, bullied and beat up.  But it wasn't really based on ethnicity, religion or race.  

 

And St. Patrick's Day... don't get me started on that.  

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hopefully, those won't be "famous last words."

Theres lots of fireworks shows every year. They get cancelled for rain. Not for drought. Many more this year are being cancelled for COVID. Not drought. Its summer. Its hot every July. Nothing is different about this one other than that people want to say its a bad idea because its a Trump event. Hes not even the first president to have an event with fireworks in this location.

petty. childish. dumb. hypocritical. 

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

probably not too dumb. Id guess the professional theyve hired to set them off knows what hes doing and if he thought it wasnt safe he would cancel. 

I hope you are right.  I spent a lot of summers going through the Black Hills.  Love the pigtail bridges on Iron Mountain Road, the wildlife loop in Custer Park, the Needles Highway, US 87 (take 87 south into Nebraska and see Carhenge).  Enjoyed Deadwood and the town of Custer, Homestead mine, and even Mount Rushmore and Crazy Horse.  Ute bird is right about broken treaties when it comes to the Black Hills.  The US ceded to the Lakota until gold was discovered and then broke the treaty. The Black Hills were sacred lands to the Native Americans.  I encourage everyone to there.  And if you are that far west, check out Devil’s Tower.  It’s not that far away.   Truly awesome.  One of the most awe inspiring geologic phenomena I have ever seen. 

True story.  My dad and his brothers hunted deer in the Black Hills.   While a group of them and friends were in Custer, my dad’s brother ran a light and got pulled over. The officer asked if he didn’t stop.  My uncle looked at him straight faced and said it wasn’t working.  The officer looked back and it clearly was.  As he turns to my uncle, he is saying it wasn’t working because it didn’t stop him. The officer chuckled, told him to drive more carefully and let him go.

26 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Don't put that challenge out there right now.  Someone will find a way to be offended by it.  The bald eagle is the bird of the United States and the United States is a systematically racist country born from racism deep in our founding fathers, therefore the bald eagle is racist.  Eagles must be changed.  

Either that or PETA.

If that ever happened I'd move to Canada.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I hope you are right.  I spent a lot of summers going through the Black Hills.  Love the pigtail bridges on Iron Mountain Road, the wildlife loop in Custer Park, the Needles Highway, US 87 (take 87 south into Nebraska and see Carhenge).  Enjoyed Deadwood and the town of Custer, Homestead mine, and even Mount Rushmore and Crazy Horse.  Ute bird is right about broken treaties when it comes to the Black Hills.  The US ceded to the Lakota until gold was discovered and then broke the treaty. The Black Hills were sacred lands to the Native Americans.  I encourage everyone to there.  And if you are that far west, check out Devil’s Tower.  It’s not that far away.   Truly awesome.  One of the most awe inspiring geologic phenomena I have ever seen.

 

This movie has become reality...

 

 

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Theres lots of fireworks shows every year. They get cancelled for rain. Not for drought. Many more this year are being cancelled for COVID. Not drought. Its summer. Its hot every July. Nothing is different about this one other than that people want to say its a bad idea because its a Trump event. Hes not even the first president to have an event with fireworks in this location.

petty. childish. dumb. hypocritical. 

Bull.  Mt Rushmore hasn’t had fireworks in over a decade because of the fire risk and is currently in a moderate drought.  Fire works there are a risk. I could give a rat’s a** who scheduled the fireworks.  I love our national parks and hate anyone taking the fire risks there.  I use a stove when camping if I have a fire at all.  Maybe you missed my post about being careful with fireworks. They are a fire risk.  

You get so shortsighted about these events that you miss the point.  Myopic, close minded, moronic and hypocritical.  

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Makes me wonder if Sidney Jones is working as hard.

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Bull.  Mt Rushmore hasn’t had fireworks in over a decade because of the fire risk and is currently in a moderate drought.  Fire works there are a risk. I could give a rat’s a** who scheduled the fireworks.  I love our national parks and hate anyone taking the fire risks there.  I use a stove when camping if I have a fire at all.  Maybe you missed my post about being careful with fireworks. They are a fire risk.  

You get so shortsighted about these events that you miss the point.  Myopic, close minded, moronic and hypocritical.  

Well, when there is a fire you all will have more stuff to **** about. If there isn't a fire you'll **** about the next thing.

13 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Saw the movie in the theatre with my girlfriend in college.  When he starts with the pictures I am whispering that it’s Devil’s Tower. By the time he is building it with mashed potatoes, it is all I can do not to scream that it is Devil’s Tower.  BTW, the Native American storiesthat goes with it are awesome. 

38 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Theres lots of fireworks shows every year. They get cancelled for rain. Not for drought. Many more this year are being cancelled for COVID. Not drought. Its summer. Its hot every July. Nothing is different about this one other than that people want to say its a bad idea because its a Trump event. Hes not even the first president to have an event with fireworks in this location.

petty. childish. dumb. hypocritical. 

Its dumb because those are native lands and trump hasnt been given permission to be there by tribal leaders.

But america has been breaking treaties with native americans ever since theyve made them.

The treaty the us has made with the sioux over that land dates back to 1868 and has since been broken including for the carving of mt rushmore which is native land.

But hey why ask or listen when the us government can do whatever they want and have with native lands?

To celebrate the independence of ones country on land stolen from natives is a slap in the face to native americans and the treaties that US signed and fail to up hold.

 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Saw the movie in the theatre with my girlfriend in college.  When he starts with the pictures I am whispering that it’s Devil’s Tower. By the time he is building it with mashed potatoes, it is all I can do not to scream that it is Devil’s Tower.  BTW, the Native American storiesthat goes with it are awesome. 

That's pretty cool.

My dad played this movie for us so much when I was a kid.  I basically have every frame of it memorized.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Well, when there is a fire you all will have more stuff to **** about. If there isn't a fire you'll **** about the next thing.

In my community, the volunteer fire chief can declare a fire ban when the conditions warrant.  I don’t use my fire pit when that happens or my wood smoker.  You strike me as the type that would feel such a ban infringed on your right to have a fire.  

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Bull.  Mt Rushmore hasn’t had fireworks in over a decade because of the fire risk and is currently in a moderate drought.  Fire works there are a risk. I could give a rat’s a** who scheduled the fireworks.  I love our national parks and hate anyone taking the fire risks there.  I use a stove when camping if I have a fire at all.  Maybe you missed my post about being careful with fireworks. They are a fire risk.  

You get so shortsighted about these events that you miss the point.  Myopic, close minded, moronic and hypocritical.  

i know in utah during times of drought they cancel or limit firework shows for the same reason but im not sure if they ever have had firework shows in a national park like zions or bryce. Wildlife in national parks are protected and im sure fireworks wouldnt be good for wild life. I know my dog hated them cant imagine what a bear or mountain lion would think.😕

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

In my community, the volunteer fire chief can declare a fire ban when the conditions warrant.  I don’t use my fire pit when that happens or my wood smoker.  You strike me as the type that would feel such a ban infringed on your right to have a fire.  

Nope. Wouldn't care.

7 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Its dumb because those are native lands and trump hasnt been given permission to be there by tribal leaders.

But america has been breaking treaties with native americans ever since theyve made them.

The treaty the us has made with the sioux over that land dates back to 1868 and has since been broken including for the carving of mt rushmore which is native land.

But hey why ask or listen when the us government can do whatever they want and have with native lands?

To celebrate the independence of ones country onland stolen from natives is a slap in the face to native americans and the treaties that US signed and failed to up hold.

Remember when VA asked that people take the politics to CVON?   yeah, I do.  

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Remember when VA asked that people take the politics to CVON?   yeah, I do.  

I wasnt the one that brought it up. Also didnt bring up redskins talk, nor did i bring up the political correctness of the fighting irish.

 

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I wasnt the one that brought it up. Also didnt bring up redskins talk, nor did i bring up the political correctness of the fighting irish.

 

Redskins, Fighting Irish talk is at least sports related.  

But, a little research project for you... find out who the original 'possessors' of the Black Hills actually was.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Redskins, Fighting Irish talk is at least sports related.  

But, a little research project for you... find out who the original 'possessors' of the Black Hills actually was.

You have my historical side interested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hills

This have the answer you are speaking about?

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The Arikara arrived by AD 1500, followed by the Cheyenne, Crow, Kiowa and Pawnee. The Lakota (also known as Sioux) arrived from Minnesota in the 18th century and drove out the other tribes, who moved west.^[7] They claimed the land, which they called Ȟe Sápa (Black Mountains). The mountains commonly became known as the Black Hills.

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Redskins, Fighting Irish talk is at least sports related.  

But, a little research project for you... find out who the original 'possessors' of the Black Hills actually was.

Ok ill ask my wife, shes from N. Dakota her dad would take her to do service work on the Res when she was a kid, but ill look it up. Im going to guess it wasnt britain america the spaniards or the Irish😉