10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yes, there was a huge gap between Jackson and Celek. 

Different players, completely different eras.  But Jackson would spread the field possibly better than any other TE that I can remember (other than maybe Tony Gonzalez, in his prime).  Keith Jackson would routinely demand double-coverage, especially on deep routes and that's almost unheard of nowadays as a TE.

 

EDIT: NVM, I misread your post as saying a huge gap between Ertz and Jackson.  

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Different players, completely different eras.  But Jackson would spread the field possibly better than any other TE that I can remember (other than maybe Tony Gonzalez, in his prime).  Keith Jackson would routinely demand double-coverage, especially on deep routes and that's almost unheard of nowadays as a TE.

Did you misread my initial post? I said Jackson was much better than Celek. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Did you misread my initial post? I said Jackson was much better than Celek. 

I did. I went back and edited my post. 

 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I did. I went back and edited my post. 

 

It didn’t help that I misread your response too, lol

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

IKR

Tl/Dr

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

IKR

Wtf

59 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

1. Ertz

2. Brent Celek

3. Keith Jackson

I would almost give Jackson a nod over Celek. 

Celek over Jackson 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Acronyms are the bane of my professional existence.  Everything is just a string of letters.  I'm tired of it.   I just want words.   What's wrong with words?

You can thank cell phones and social media for that.  They started to gain momentum when cell phone companies would charge by the minute, so people would send texts but the texts would be limited to a certain amount of words.  Then, sites like Twitter would also limit words per tweet (They still do but they've since expanded the amount)...so people would try to get in as many words as possible per text/tweet....and it's been like that ever since.

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

You can thank cell phones and social media for that.  They started to gain momentum when cell phones would charge by the minute, so people would send texts but the texts would be limited to a certain amount of words.  Then, sites like Twitter would also limit words per tweet (They still do but they've since expanded the amount)...so people would try to get in as many words as possible per text/tweet....and it's been like that ever since.

 

It's also a great way for pretentious colleagues to sound smart. "Oh you don't know what XZH is? Poor thing."

39 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Didn’t take much thinking out.  I just give you guys a small dose of me.  

I think we all feel like that...  Because I know during the 2nd half of game 1 last year, where DJack caught not 1 but 2 50 yd TDs, it was like music to me.  How do I know?

Cuz I was fing dancing in my living room.

DJax is a good football player but a complete and total f'n idiot.  That is all. 

25 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yes, there was a huge gap between Jackson and Celek. 

Like the grand canyon.  Jackson is a better overall player than Ertz but Ertz nudges him out as a receiver thru better routes overall.  Toss up between those two in my mind.

The other guys aren't in the same list really.

 

For some reason this one reminds me of a classic Bum Philipps quote when asked if Earl Campbell was in a class by himself, "Well, I don't know if Earl's in a class by himself but it sure don't take long to call the roll", note: that's paraphrased and not exact.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Wtf

The one that took me forever to figure out was IIRC.

I still hesitate with it...

57 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

This. 

There's no way anyone could justify Ertz getting 99% of the snaps over Keith Jackson . Ertz would edge him out but Keith Jackson was a legitimate deep threat as a TE...which is not even heard of nowadays.  I could agree with Ertz getting something like a 70% of the snap ratio but not 99%....not vs Keith Jackson.

And I can't see anyone picking a clear side between Chad Lewis and Brent Celek...they almost mirrored each other in terms of playing style, with Celek being the slightly better blocker and Lewis being the slightly better receiver.  The edge would go to Celek, imo...but it's somewhat close.

 

 

Can I disagree here? Jackson was a good player, but he's not at the level of Ertz. Neither one could block. And while Jackson was more of a big play guy, Ertz was much more reliable and a far more polished receiver.

Chad Lewis was decent but not as good as Celek. I really don't think it's close. I also think Goedert is better than both of them already.

And it seems kinda criminal to me the way that Keith Krepfle has become so forgotten. He was a very good tight end in the Vermeil days. 

I don't confuse the messenger and the message, I'm not going to ban Wagner, for example.

HL Mencken was a racist and anti-semite, but also one of my favorite observers of the American experience.

This is why history is important, it allows you to put things into perspective.

For example, the irony of American Blacks embracing Islam as a reaction to Christian slave owners, as Arab Muslims owned African slaves well into the 20th century, and were major participants in the slave trade.

The "Nation of Islam" is a prime example of ignorance, up there with InfoWars and other crazies:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam

Founder Wallace D. Fard (according to the FBI, other aliases include Farad Muhammad, Wallace Dodd, Wallace Ford, Wallie D. Ford, Wallei Ford and Wallace Farad) and his "messenger” and successor Elijah Muhammad preached a hybrid creed with its own myths and doctrines. . . . Fard’s FBI file concludes he was born in New Zealand on February 26, 1891, to a British father and Polynesian mother. The California Bureau of Identification and Investigation had Fard listed as Wallace Ford. Michigan State Police and the Los Angeles Police Department had him listed under Wallace Farad and Wallie D. Ford. After determining that all individuals shared the same fingerprint, the FBI found that "in all cases he is listed as Caucasian.”

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

DJax is a good football player but a complete and total f'n idiot.  That is all. 

- Eagles official statement

I would take Keith Jackson over ertz everyday.

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I would take Keith Jackson over ertz everyday.

If Ertz hadn’t caught the game-winning touchdown in the Super Bowl I’d agree. He’ll always have a huge head start on the competition. 

1 minute ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Can I disagree here? Jackson was a good player, but he's not at the level of Ertz. Neither one could block. And while Jackson was more of a big play guy, Ertz was much more reliable and a far more polished receiver.

Chad Lewis was decent but not as good as Celek. I really don't think it's close. I also think Goedert is better than both of them already.

And it seems kinda criminal to me the way that Keith Krepfle has become so forgotten. He was a very good tight end in the Vermeil days. 

As far as being the "go to", no,  Jackson wasn't/isn't like Ertz.  But that doesn't take away the fact that Keith Jackson was a legitimate deep threat, in an era when only a handful of WR's were legitimate deep threats, let alone TE's. 

A way to look at it when comparing the two; would you rather have a combination of a Goedert and Jackson or a combination of Ertz and Celek?  I would bet most would rather have a big, yards after the catch TE on one side and one the best deep threat TE's on the other side vs two TE's that will catch 90%+ of their passes underneath.  It's Keith Jackson's unique skill set that makes the gap closer, imo.  

And that's not taking anything away from Ertz, he is a future hall-of-fame candidate, imo and the best overall TE in Eagles history.

 

Jackson was a first-team All-Pro his first three years according to Pro Football Reference. He just wasn’t here long enough to get the clear nod over Ertz. 

I wonder if the Eagles lawyers aren’t reviewing the personal conduct clause in Jackson’s contract.  That said, by giving Cooper a second chance, they may have to do the same with Jackson.  IIRC (sorry, IP...oops, sorry again), Cooper had to go to counseling.  
 

1 hour ago, Green Dog said:

I think most people are like that.

I don't care enough to follow any player tbh (that's for IP < Hey!  Your name is an acronym!).  Well, maybe except Embiid.

This is why I think we're lucky this didn't happen mid season.  I'm not even that upset, really.  I know DJack is an a**.  We all knew that.  Nothing else going on now tho, so its magnified.

🤦‍♂️

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I wonder if the Eagles lawyers aren’t reviewing the personal conduct clause in Jackson’s contract.  That said, by giving Cooper a second chance, they may have to do the same with Jackson.  IIRC (sorry, IP...oops, sorry again), Cooper had to go to counseling.  
 

It'd look really bad on their end if they cut Jackson with the precedent they set with Cooper back then. He'll give an apology and go through some sort of "sensitivity training" and they'll move along is my guess. Both Lurie and Roseman are Jewish though, so I don't know how personal they're going to take this. 

Jackson was a stud , big boy who could run  block and catch.

Only thing ertz has on him is ,longevity as a bird.

Im not sure Jackson knew what he was saying, but if he gets cut then I won’t complain. 
 

However, keeping Cooper for racist comments and cutting Jackson (keep in the mind how he was cut the first time around) would look bad at the same time.