11 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Well, I have no dressing on salads at all.  In fact, I still have the salad dressing that a Korean shop owner made me take away when I bought a salad in New York last year. He wouldn't take no for answer.

He was discussing wings, I believe.

A must read for our times (only 3 paragraphs):

https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-justice-and-open-debate/

3 hours ago, NCiggles said:

It's different eras but I think Jackson had 2 very good seasons where he was dominant.  He did not have the longevity that Ertz has had.  Ertz is a potential HOF candidate.  Jackson did not have that type of career.  

Yup. He came in very highly regarded and put up several good to very good years. But he was never quite the level of player that was initially expected. Overall he had a good career, not a great one. I would take Ertz over him without hesitation.

39 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Nah, he trashed Blue Cheese, F that guy

I’m eating buffalo wings with blue cheese today in protest. 

There are the Chip Kelly haters caused by the unloading of DeSean and LeSean, and I laugh at them too. The distraction of immature players making public gaffes makes no sense. Never forget this team won a SB only 2 years after Chip left. Kelly is failing in UCLA. There's reason not to like his coaching style. He took an eagles team that had gone 4-12 with these heroes, unloaded them, and went 10-6 for 2 seasons in a row.

That said, I think DeSean is coachable. I haven't read his retraction, but I imagine he wants to play for this team and will say what is necessary. He's not very academically educated and still immature, but one of the most gifted players in the NFL and wants to play here. Perhaps one day they'll pass around DeSean Jackson foam hammers for fans to hit each other over the head with.

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

To be fair I'm pretty sure you could cook a turd with fatback and garlic and it would be solid.

That being said I do like me some good collard greens now and then.

If I ever come to your house for dinner I want to get there early for the prep.😗

1 minute ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Yup. He came in very highly regarded and put up several good to very good years. But he was never quite the level of player that was initially expected. Overall he had a good career, not a great one. I would take Ertz over him without hesitation.

Thanks for coming back to this.   The memory of some is a bit foggy, I guess.  Someone, I forget who, mentioned Ertz having the offense tailor made for him and that Jackson didn't.   Some cold hard facts:

1988 - 
81 rec. Jackson, Keith
72 rec. Byars, Keith
39 rec. Carter, Chris 
34 rec. Toney, Anthony
22 rec. Quick, Mike
19 rec. Johnson, Ron

 

1989 - 
68 rec. Byars, Keith
63 rec. Jackson, Keith (missed 2 games entirely, didn't start 2 others)
45 rec. Carter, Chris
20 rec. Johnson, Ron
19 rec. Toney, Anthony
17 rec. Drummond, Robert

 

1990 - 
81 rec. Byars, Keith
50 rec. Jackson, Keith
37 rec. Williams, Calvin
36 rec. Barnett, Fred
23 rec. Sherman, Heath
18 rec. Shuler, Mickey
 

1991 - Asterisk this year, because of the QB carousel.
62 rec. Byars, Keith
62 rec.  Barnett, Fred
48 rec. Jackson, Keith
33 rec. Williams, Calvin
29 rec. Green, Roy
14 rec. Sherman, Heath

 

Someone tell me how that offense didn't help to 'feed' Jackson the ball?  He led the team in receptions 1 year, and was 2nd in the next two.  Only fell to 3rd in year 4.   And let's reiterate, he only surpassed that season LOW of 48 receptions ONCE more in his entire career.   Let me say that again... 4 of his highest 5 seasons in terms of receptions was with the Eagles.   The gross numbers of Ertz might be a bit inflated comparatively given that its more of a passing league than it was back then, but he didn't come CLOSE to matching his production elsewhere that he did here with the Eagles.  He's not even close to being in the discussion as a HoF TE.  Ertz, with a few more seasons like he's been putting up recently, absolutely will be up for discussion.

 

 

13 minutes ago, macgregor said:

There are the Chip Kelly haters caused by the unloading of DeSean and LeSean, and I laugh at them too. The distraction of immature players making public gaffes makes no sense. Never forget this team won a SB only 2 years after Chip left. Kelly is failing in UCLA. There's reason not to like his coaching style. He took an eagles team that had gone 4-12 with these heroes, unloaded them, and went 10-6 for 2 seasons in a row.

That said, I think DeSean is coachable. I haven't read his retraction, but I imagine he wants to play for this team and will say what is necessary. He's not very academically educated and still immature, but one of the most gifted players in the NFL and wants to play here. Perhaps one day they'll pass around DeSean Jackson foam hammers for fans to hit each other over the head with.

I have nothing good to say about Chip Kelly and I flipped out about cutting Desean more than most...but I would imagine he was an absolutely incessant headache for a coach.

Chip's ego reached the point where he threw up his hands and said "I don't have to deal with this anymore."  

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Thanks for coming back to this.   The memory of some is a bit foggy, I guess.  Someone, I forget who, mentioned Ertz having the offense tailor made for him and that Jackson didn't.   Some cold hard facts:

1988 - 
81 rec. Jackson, Keith
72 rec. Byars, Keith
39 rec. Carter, Chris 
34 rec. Toney, Anthony
22 rec. Quick, Mike
19 rec. Johnson, Ron

 

1989 - 
68 rec. Byars, Keith
63 rec. Jackson, Keith (missed 2 games entirely, didn't start 2 others)
45 rec. Carter, Chris
20 rec. Johnson, Ron
19 rec. Toney, Anthony
17 rec. Drummond, Robert

 

1990 - 
81 rec. Byars, Keith
50 rec. Jackson, Keith
37 rec. Williams, Calvin
36 rec. Barnett, Fred
23 rec. Sherman, Heath
18 rec. Shuler, Mickey
 

1991 - Asterisk this year, because of the QB carousel.
62 rec. Byars, Keith
62 rec.  Barnett, Fred
48 rec. Jackson, Keith
33 rec. Williams, Calvin
29 rec. Green, Roy
14 rec. Sherman, Heath

 

Someone tell me how that offense didn't help to 'feed' Jackson the ball?  He led the team in receptions 1 year, and was 2nd in the next two.  Only fell to 3rd in year 4.   And let's reiterate, he only surpassed that season LOW of 48 receptions ONCE more in his entire career.   Let me say that again... 4 of his highest 5 seasons in terms of receptions was with the Eagles.   The gross numbers of Ertz might be a bit inflated comparatively given that its more of a passing league than it was back then, but he didn't come CLOSE to matching his production elsewhere that he did here with the Eagles.  He's not even close to being in the discussion as a HoF TE.  Ertz, with a few more seasons like he's been putting up recently, absolutely will be up for discussion.

 

 

Getting past the stats, he was a first-team All-Pro three times in four years with the Eagles. He was a second-team all-pro his first year in Miami.

His rookie year was a statistical anomaly, and his numbers in Miami and Green Bay were in line with what he did in his final three years in Philly.

He had a pretty darn good year in his final season before retiring. He hit 500 yards despite starting only 5 games. Maybe he was hurt, but it seemed like he could still play well.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackKe00.htm

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Darker than they were to start, but not blackish.  Depends on the rub.  "Mahogany" maybe.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Probably a good bet this guy's why they're not worried about getting into bidding wars for Clowney or Yannick.

In regards to the Jackson/Ertz/Celek/Goedert/Lewis debate, it's important to keep in mind these guys had very, very different responsibilities.  

Celek played in Eagles offenses that were stacked with WR's.  He was there to be a good underneath safety valve and a good blocker in an offense that pushed the ball downfield to other weapons.  He's probably a better fit in that offense than some of these other guys.

Goedert is a #2 TE in a 12 personnel offense behind a #1 who is more of a WR.  He needs to block.  Chad Lewis or an Ertz clone don't work in this role.  

Chad Lewis wasn't much of a blocker.  Neither is Ertz.  They've been receiving crutches on offenses without anyone else to throw to.  Ertz is more sophisticated in his routes as a receiver than any of these guys; none are better suited than Ertz to be a high-volume pass catcher.  

6 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Probably a good bet this guy's why they're not worried about getting into bidding wars for Clowney or Yannick.

He needs to dress for games before he impacts decisions about the future of the position. 

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

In regards to the Jackson/Ertz/Celek/Goedert/Lewis debate, it's important to keep in mind these guys had very, very different responsibilities.  

Celek played in Eagles offenses that were stacked with WR's.  He was there to be a good underneath safety valve and a good blocker in an offense that pushed the ball downfield to other weapons.  He's probably a better fit in that offense than some of these other guys.

Goedert is a #2 TE in a 12 personnel offense behind a #1 who is more of a WR.  He needs to block.  Chad Lewis or an Ertz clone don't work in this role.  

Chad Lewis wasn't much of a blocker.  Neither is Ertz.  They've been receiving crutches on offenses without anyone else to throw to.  Ertz is more sophisticated in his routes as a receiver than any of these guys; none are better suited than Ertz to be a high-volume pass catcher.  

Good points. You also have to remember that Jackson played on a team that put minimal emphasis on the O side of the ball. The fact that he had the stats he did really shows his ability.

5 hours ago, greend said:

He was probably ignorant to it all honestly. No way a black man posts anything Hitler says unless he is completely ignorant.

Hitler didn’t say it.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He needs to dress for games before he impacts decisions about the future of the position. 

Don't sleep on a Cleveland Browns draft selection.  Don't become a statistic.

Kist is a great follow

38 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Getting past the stats, he was a first-team All-Pro three times in four years with the Eagles. He was a second-team all-pro his first year in Miami.

His rookie year was a statistical anomaly, and his numbers in Miami and Green Bay were in line with what he did in his final three years in Philly.

He had a pretty darn good year in his final season before retiring. He hit 500 yards despite starting only 5 games. Maybe he was hurt, but it seemed like he could still play well.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackKe00.htm

He was great here.  He wasn't nearly as great when he left.   But, the point on the stats was that he WAS being forced the ball when he was here.  The Eagles had NOTHING of consequence at WR during those first 3 years.  Quick missed more games than he played.  Carter was drunk, hungover, or whatever much of the time, if not during the games, then during the practices.  He wasn't the guy that landed in Minnesota when he was here.  Ron Johnson (a holdover from the scabs during the strike in 1987) was the second leading WR in receptions on the team.    

My point was that if the knock on Ertz is that he's being fed the ball, then that same argument can be made about Jackson, because other than Keith Byars, they had no other threat on the team in the passing game.  That's the point of the stat mining.   Jackson was one of two targets in the passing game.  Ertz has had much more of a supporting cast around him in the passing game by comparison.  

35 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Probably a good bet this guy's why they're not worried about getting into bidding wars for Clowney or Yannick.

Would have been nice to see him more often last season.

20 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Hitler didn’t say it.

After doing some research; the entire quote is based off of a semi-fictional book where the author theorizes about his ancestry and  tries to show that African Americans are descendants of the tribe of Israel. The quotes from Hitler are excerpts of Hitler talking to one of his soldiers....nothing more than a character in a fiction novel.

 

 

24 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

After doing some research; the entire quote is based off of a semi-fictional book where the author theorizes about his ancestry and  tries to show that African Americans are descendants of the tribe of Israel. The quotes from Hitler are excerpts of Hitler talking to one of his soldiers....nothing more than a character in a fiction novel.

 

 

Don’t tell Stephen Jackson that. He just went onto say It was true on Instagram. 

stephenJackson is clearly the leader in the clubhouse and  odds on favorite to win the first ever Adolf Hitler Antisemite of the Year award. 

23 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

After doing some research; the entire quote is based off of a semi-fictional book where the author theorizes about his ancestry and  tries to show that African Americans are descendants of the tribe of Israel. The quotes from Hitler are excerpts of Hitler talking to one of his soldiers....nothing more than a character in a fiction novel.

 

 

Wouldn’t Hitler have been something with a Twitter account
 

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t tell Stephen Jackson that. He just went onto say It was true on Instagram. 

Ugh.  So much of these nonsensical conspiracy theories  that are being put out by the radical left and/or the radical right are being eaten up by the masses.  
 

Come on, America, we are better than this.