4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Ugh.  So much of these nonsensical conspiracy theories  that are being put out by the radical left and/or the radical right are being eaten up by the masses.  
 

Come on, America, we are better than this. 

Stephen Jackson might actually be less intelligent then desean. Desean at least got into cal. Stephen was going to come to university of Arizona play basketball except he couldn’t get into the University of Arizona basketball because he didn’t have a high enough score on the SAT and the uofa tried everything to get him in pulling strings. That’s how low his score was. There was nothing they could do. Think about that it’s not that hard to get into ASU or the UofA and they pull strings for student athletes. So  

32 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He was great here.  He wasn't nearly as great when he left.   But, the point on the stats was that he WAS being forced the ball when he was here.  The Eagles had NOTHING of consequence at WR during those first 3 years.  Quick missed more games than he played.  Carter was drunk, hungover, or whatever much of the time, if not during the games, then during the practices.  He wasn't the guy that landed in Minnesota when he was here.  Ron Johnson (a holdover from the scabs during the strike in 1987) was the second leading WR in receptions on the team.    

My point was that if the knock on Ertz is that he's being fed the ball, then that same argument can be made about Jackson, because other than Keith Byars, they had no other threat on the team in the passing game.  That's the point of the stat mining.   Jackson was one of two targets in the passing game.  Ertz has had much more of a supporting cast around him in the passing game by comparison.  

You specifically said he didn’t come close to the production numbers he had in Philly, and that’s not really true. His stats in Miami were similar to his stats in years 2-4 here. It’s true that he didn’t come close to his production as a rookie., but that was an outlier for his career.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Stephen Jackson might actually be less intelligent then desean. Desean at least got into cal. Stephen was going to come to university of Arizona play basketball except he couldn’t get into the University of Arizona basketball because he didn’t have a high enough score on the SAT and the uofa tried everything to get him in pulling strings. That’s how low his score was. There was nothing they could do. Think about that it’s not that hard to get into ASU or the UofA and they pull strings for student athletes. So  

He also said Kobe was a better leader than Tim Duncan so he’s clearly a moron. 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t tell Stephen Jackson that. He just went onto say It was true on Instagram. 

stephenJackson is clearly the leader in the clubhouse and  odds on favorite to win the first ever Adolf Hitler Antisemite of the Year award. 

Just watched that video on his page. The guy is a moron. "Racism is at an all-time high". Yeah, okay. Try telling that to some black person who lived through the 60s. It's not about equality with people like him, it's about superiority which only sows more hatred and indifference for what you preach for. 

 

 

11 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Just watched that video on his page. The guy is a moron. "Racism is at an all-time high". Yeah, okay. Try telling that to some black person who lived through the 60s. It's not about equality with people like him, it's about superiority which only sows more hatred and indifference for what you preach for. 

Right? Racism is an all-time high. Yet Anti-Semitism has risen in 2018 and again 2019 and it was even higher in 2020 until the pandemic hit. So you know nonchalantly be more anti-Semitic to 100,000+ people on Instagram is a really good way for it to increase even more. You know like those synagogues in Pittsburgh or San Diego that got shot up like that’s not happening either. It’s clearly just racism. And then it’s cool to just be antisemitic but frowned upon to be racist. So one type of hate is accepted and another unacceptable  

joe banner said it best today when talking about it It turns out that a lot of people who claim to be against hate are actually only against hate directed at them, and not against all hate. Huge disappointment.

7 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It wasn't just him.  I hate that guy and what he did with this team, but... The tide for NFL free agency was too strong by that point, it was going to come.  Jackson sued the league individually, as did a few others.   Reggie White was the primary plaintiff for the league-wide case.  And frankly, I don't think he had much of a choice once he hit FA to NOT go to another team.  The fact that Braman never offered him a contract just made that easy on White, he never really had a choice to come back.  Jackson suing also had to sign elsewhere.  And because he went to Miami, Miami became a villain to me as well.  Granted, I was a teenager at the time, but it hurt... it hurt a lot. And the wounds that are left from youth leave the deepest scars.

Exactly. Dallas of course hasn’t been relevant since 1995, but I first became a fan in 1992, just in time to see their dynasty win 3 Super Bowls in 4 years, and it’s a big reason they remain my most hated team in spite of the Giants winning two since. The team and it’s arrogant fan base have just left no room for any other sports team to be considered my most hated. 

1 hour ago, Green Dog said:

Probably a good bet this guy's why they're not worried about getting into bidding wars for Clowney or Yannick.

Guy can bend and turn the corner against air question is can he do it consistently against NFL OTs?

Well see.

 

37 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

52 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Just watched that video on his page. The guy is a moron. "Racism is at an all-time high". Yeah, okay. Try telling that to some black person who lived through the 60s. It's not about equality with people like him, it's about superiority which only sows more hatred and indifference for what you preach for. 

It can be a slippery slope for sure.  Here in Canada I’ve been seeing a lot of news stories and seeing a lot of Facebook posts from friends online recently, "piggy-backing” on how rough discrimination is against black people in Canada.

I try very hard not to open a can of worms and point out to them that, when it comes to systemic racism in Canada, everyone needs to take their place in line behind our indigenous people — be it natives, Inuit, First Nations — no group of people has it nearly as rough.  There’s not even a remote comparison.

I guess it would be racist of me to tell them to kindly wait their turn.

2 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Good points. You also have to remember that Jackson played on a team that put minimal emphasis on the O side of the ball. The fact that he had the stats he did really shows his ability.

I agree. 

I think if one compares just jacksons to ertz stats ertz wins every time but its a different game then it was back in the late 80s early 90s.

Better guage is to judge them against their contemporaries.

Keith jackson was all pro 4 times with Steve Jordan, Jay Novacek, Brent Jones and Mark Bavaro in the league. Of those 4 Bavaro was the only 1 to crack 1000 yards once in 87? From 88- 91 Jackson was All pro 3 times.

His last year in the league he was a pro bowler and caught 10 tds.

He was one of the best TEs in the league during his time. I dont count shannon sharpe because i dont consider him a TE he was just a slow big WR lining up closer to the tackle😒 he was really good though at being a big slot receiver before it was popular.

Ertz contemporaries include jimmy graham, kelce, kittle more recently, greg olsen, all of which have all pros over his never an all pro though i think he deserved one for 2017.

Until ertz has a couple more all pros ill consider jackson better, not to mention jackson could block and ertz doesnt, not even a little, hes basically a big slot receiver like a lot of TEs these days that dont block.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

Imagine even pitching this idea to the players union. 

6 hours ago, greend said:

Any flat earther's here today that want to attack me as well?

Water always rises to eye level!!

The horizon doesn’t stick to a spinning ball!!

 

 

Wait, I got that wrong. 
 

Aww crap!

8 hours ago, greend said:

Look even if Djax came to my house and call me a cracker arse cracker and asked me to forgive him afterwards I would. People say and do stupid things and sometime they do things in the heat of the moment. It's about forgiveness when we can people. Let's move on to the no season

Forgive him but say something.  You seem very inclusive, Greend.  I appreciate the willingness to forgive.  But speaking up about divisive speech and actions helps all to rise to a higher plain. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It was me.  How can you forget me?

Anyway.  My point was.  Ertz is fed the ball a ton in this offense.  Especially when Carson Wentz is the QB.  Everyone can admit that.  Hell, it was a thing.  Remember?   Now add to the fact that we actually have had a competent offensive minded HC and good/great offensive line, I can deduce that with Jackson‘a superior skills he would flourish in this offense.  You say KJ was fed the ball.  Sure ok.  But I know his stats could have been sooo much more if they had a real offense, offensive line and running backs.  Not Randall running for his life and then throwing the ball to KJ or KB.  Not to mention the NFL is more of a passing League now than before.  He would be a match up nightmare.   
 

Put Goedert in Ertz’s spot.  You won’t see a huge drop off.  

Maybe it's the offense under Doug.  I agree about Ertz being fed the ball but it wasnt just with Carson.  I cant remember but was he targeted alot when Chip was HC?  I doubt it.  Seems ever since Doug took over, Ertz has been the main target.  Goedert could fill his shoes and more if you ask me.

13 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Maybe it's the offense under Doug.  I agree about Ertz being fed the ball but it wasnt just with Carson.  I cant remember but was he targeted alot when Chip was HC?  I doubt it.  Seems ever since Doug took over, Ertz has been the main target.  Goedert could fill his shoes and more if you ask me.

He was targeted pretty high in Chips last year, but just shy of how it’s been with Doug. Jordan Matthews was always Chips go to guy.

2 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Exactly. Dallas of course hasn’t been relevant since 1995, but I first became a fan in 1992, just in time to see their dynasty win 3 Super Bowls in 4 years, and it’s a big reason they remain my most hated team in spite of the Giants winning two since. The team and it’s arrogant fan base have just left no room for any other sports team to be considered my most hated. 

Local Cowboys fans are the worst.   Those that live in Dallas, I get.  But, those that live in the Philly area and want to puff out their chest... get over yourself.  That fraud of a franchise hasn't been relevant ON THE FIELD in nearly 3 decades!  They want to point to their 5 Super Bowls... which is all fine and dandy, but if they want to go back that far, then let's talk about the Eagles now having 4 rings.  1948, 1949, 1960 and 2017.  That's how I see it.   And if the pre-Super Bowl era doesn't count, then neither does anything before the year 2k.   Arbitrary lines drawn in the sand are arbitrary lines in the sand... So, its either 5-4 them, or 1-0 us.  

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It was me.  How can you forget me?

Anyway.  My point was.  Ertz is fed the ball a ton in this offense.  Especially when Carson Wentz is the QB.  Everyone can admit that.  Hell, it was a thing.  Remember?   Now add to the fact that we actually have had a competent offensive minded HC and good/great offensive line, I can deduce that with Jackson‘a superior skills he would flourish in this offense.  You say KJ was fed the ball.  Sure ok.  But I know his stats could have been sooo much more if they had a real offense, offensive line and running backs.  Not Randall running for his life and then throwing the ball to KJ or KB.  Not to mention the NFL is more of a passing League now than before.  He would be a match up nightmare.   
 

Put Goedert in Ertz’s spot.  You won’t see a huge drop off.  

I remember it was a thing that people said.  It didn't make it true.   Foles to Ertz was just as frequent as Wentz to Ertz.  (Check the stats.  Don't 'remember'.)  Foles also threw the ball to Jeffery less frequently than Wentz.  But, that's another fact that gets ignored because people 'remember' it wrong.

I never said that Jackson wouldn't flourish in this offense.  He might be a match up nightmare.  I still take Ertz, Celek and Lewis in that order for this exercise.  Ertz because he's reliable.  Celek because he's the only blocker worth discussing in this group, and Lewis because he actually has tremendous value as a ST player.  Goedert wasn't part of the exercise, so he wasn't considered.   And Jackson hurt me as a teenager when he left, so he gets the boot.   Jackson got fed the ball in the late 80s.  Ertz gets fed the ball now.  Jackson was a better athlete.  Ertz is a more reliable target.   Jackson won't sniff the HoF.   Ertz puts up 3 more seasons like the last 3, I see it being almost impossible to hold him out.

25 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Maybe it's the offense under Doug.  I agree about Ertz being fed the ball but it wasnt just with Carson.  I cant remember but was he targeted alot when Chip was HC?  I doubt it.  Seems ever since Doug took over, Ertz has been the main target.  Goedert could fill his shoes and more if you ask me.

Yes.  Doug likes the TEs.  He features TEs.  In 2016, they had dreck at WR.  They got quality WR play in 2017.  Then in 2018... back to mostly dreck, with a banged up Jeffery, Dropsgalor returned and Mike Wallace got hurt never to be seen again.  In 2019, the WR position got even worse, which I wouldn't have thought possible until it happened.   All the while, Zach Ertz was Mr. Reliable.  Where would you have thrown the ball if you were in the same predicament as Carson?   Go to the guy that you know will be where he's supposed to be, and is going to catch it way more than he'll drop it.   Seems pretty clear cut to me.   That shouldn't be seen as a slight on Ertz.  He's the guy teams (should) know is going to be the target in crunch time, and he's come up big more often than not by a landslide.  Jackson, on the other hand, dropped a sure TD in the Fog Bowl, that might have been the difference in the game.  And that was before the fog rolled in.

Just read a projection on worldometers that shows 208,155 COVID-19 deaths in the US by November 1.  The projection was based on current levels of restrictions.  It also projected the total deaths would be around 160,000 with universal masks — which we know won’t happen.

The same site showed 55,442 new cases just today and 993 deaths.  

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes.  Doug likes the TEs.  He features TEs.  In 2016, they had dreck at WR.  They got quality WR play in 2017.  Then in 2018... back to mostly dreck, with a banged up Jeffery, Dropsgalor returned and Mike Wallace got hurt never to be seen again.  In 2019, the WR position got even worse, which I wouldn't have thought possible until it happened.   All the while, Zach Ertz was Mr. Reliable.  Where would you have thrown the ball if you were in the same predicament as Carson?   Go to the guy that you know will be where he's supposed to be, and is going to catch it way more than he'll drop it.   Seems pretty clear cut to me.   That shouldn't be seen as a slight on Ertz.  He's the guy teams (should) know is going to be the target in crunch time, and he's come up big more often than not by a landslide.  Jackson, on the other hand, dropped a sure TD in the Fog Bowl, that might have been the difference in the game.  And that was before the fog rolled in.

Everything you say is true.  But I'm not sure why you're bringing up Jackson and the Fog Bowl?😄

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

When I try to uplift and encourage others, presumed doctrine from Adolph Hitler denigrating jews is where I turn to first. 

What an absolute joke of an apology.

5 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

When I try to uplift others, presumed doctrine from Adolph Hitler is where I turn to first. 

What an absolute joke of an apology.

Honestly, he posted what he did more so because hes an idiot and didnt think things thru first.  I dont feel he has hatred towards anyone.  Just my opinion.

9 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

When I try to uplift others, presumed doctrine from Adolph Hitler is where I turn to first. 

What an absolute joke of an apology.

4 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Honestly, he posted what he did more so because hes an idiot and didnt think things thru first.  I dont feel he has hatred towards anyone.  Just my opinion.

I respect your opinion, but I have a hard timing believing anyone is that brain dead and or tone deaf. Has he explained why he was reading hate speech in the first place?