Just now, Ace Nova said:

I really don't want to re-kindle that era at all but there was a solid 50% of the fan-base around here that totally bought into DeSean being a cancer and a gang member.  I almost lost my mind over it...eventually Nick Foles and LeSean McCoy came out and (pretty much) said that wasn't the case.  And then guess what happened?  He ships both of them out of town next. 

It's one thing to cut or trade a player...it's something else to try to justify it by leaking a bunch of nonsense to the media, tarnishing that player's reputation, on his way out.  That's what aggravated me the most about that situation. 

Seemed higher than 50% to me. I literally had posters calling me names because I stood up for DeSean and was against Kelly. I really never liked Kelly. But like I said his dumb decisions got him out of here and got us a Super Bowl win

9 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Local Cowboys fans are the worst.   Those that live in Dallas, I get.  But, those that live in the Philly area and want to puff out their chest... get over yourself.    

Yep.  I come across a lot of clients from the Dallas/Fort Worth area and they are actually nothing like most Dallas fans I come across that are from the Philadelphia area.  The clients that I speak to from the Dallas area are usually way more laid back about our rivalry...we might throw a couple of friendly jabs at each other, laugh it off and we move on.  

If you really think about it, most Dallas fans from the Philly era became Dallas fans during the late 70's and 80's because the Eagles weren't that good (other than a few seasons, here and there) and Dallas was dominant, for the most part. They basically got fed up with the Eagles and became front-running Dallas fans.  The worst part is that some of them had their kids become Dallas fans before their kids knew any better.  

11 minutes ago, greend said:

Seemed higher than 50% to me. I literally had posters calling me names because I stood up for DeSean and was against Kelly. I really never liked Kelly. But like I said his dumb decisions got him out of here and got us a Super Bowl win

Yep, me too.  I had to walk away from the boards for a few weeks after it happened because some posters around here would just keep going at it with me.  Anyway, water under the bridge now.  

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Yep, me too.  I had to walk away from the boards for a few weeks after it happened because some posters around here would just keep going at it with me.  Anyway, water under the bridge now.  

Yup

32 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Good thing he isn’t a white republican like Brees, otherwise his apology wouldn’t have been accepted.

There would have been protests outside the the Novacare Complex as we speak.

18 minutes ago, greend said:

I'll say one thing for DeSean he is doing everything in his power to fix a very stupid post. Brees on the other hand apologized but I really didn't think what he said was all that bad. He kind of mirrors my thoughts. I'm not kneeling for the national anthem but I'm in agreement that things need to change. 

As far as the DeSean situation goes, it seems that the Eagles' statement and his apology could be the start of him using his platform to help unify tensions...at the very least, he seems like he's willing to meet with local Jewish community leaders and to learn what the Jewish community/culture/religion is really about.

 

 

I'm just gonna throw something out here.

Is it possible that Jackson didn't under the gravity of what he was posting? There are people still claiming the holocaust never happened. 

I'm not defending, just trying to understand the mindset behind his post.

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

As far as the DeSean situation goes, it seems that the Eagles' statement and his apology could be the start of him using his platform to help unify tensions...at the very least, he seems like he's willing to meet with local Jewish community leaders and to learn what the Jewish community/culture/religion is really about.

 

 

Maybe he should take a trip to a concentration camp museum in Europe. I suspect he can afford it.

17 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

There would have been protests outside the the Novacare Complex as we speak.

And Malcolm Jenkins would be all over the news.

6 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Maybe he should take a trip to a concentration camp museum in Europe. I suspect he can afford it.

I haven't been to one yet but it's on my list of things to do.  I visited Anne Frank's house when I was in Amsterdam back in 1999....obviously not the same as visiting a concentration camp but it was a reminder of the realities of WWII and how terrifying it was for Jewish people living in Europe back then. 

 

13 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Written for him.  Not his style of writing. 

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

There’s been study’s and theories saying he was

https://m.jpost.com/Diaspora/Study-suggests-Adolf-Hitler-was-a-quarter-Jewish-597966

Really, that just points to potential ancestry.  If you did that my DNA would show a bunch of different Protestant religions or if you reach back far enough, Celt, Scot and Germanic pagans. Religions aren’t genetic as you pointed out.  

57 minutes ago, eaglelen said:

And Malcolm Jenkins would be all over the news.

No crap, did I miss his blubbering twitter video about his former teammate DeSean's racists posts? Fing hypocrites....

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/08/money-could-be-a-factor-in-the-desean-jackson-decision/
 

Information on contract. 

9 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Because a lot of them who read that don’t believe it’s hate speech they believe it’s actual fact And associate Judaism with being a race

The problem is Hitler tried to make Judaism hated and propaganda like Jews were a race. he came up with the Aryan race. The problem with that is Judaism is not a race. it is a religion like Christianity or Mormon or Catholic or Islamic. You can be Asian and be Jewish. You can be black and be Jewish. You can be white and be Jewish. You can be Native American and be Jewish. You can be Latino and be Jewish. You are Jewish by mother side. However you can have Jewish blood in family line dating all the way back. However we all go back to somewhere in our heritage. most people along the way likely had some Jewish ancestry in their family tree just matters how far you go back. 

It's a tad bit more complex.

Genetic studies show that most Jews are closely related, this reflects a simple reality, Jews didn't proselytize, and there was little advantage in converting to Judaism (unlike Christianity and Islam, once conquered by them, failure to join the dominant religion could result in death, or at best, 2nd class status socially and economically). So Jews tended to marry other Jews because no one else wanted to marry them, as well internal pressure to marry within the "tribe".

The Jewish diaspora reflects both the Babylonian conquest, as one stream has been traced to NW Iran into Eastern Europe, and the Roman annihilation of the Jewish state in 70 AD, which brought a sizeable proportion of Hebrews to Rome, to be dispersed throughout the Roman Empire. The expulsion from Spain brought Jews to North Africa and even New Mexico. And there was a sizeable population dispersed around the Middle East at the time of the Roman conquest. Yet all are closely related genetically.

The roots of Zionism laid in the fact that assimilation into Europe was a dismal failure, even after Napoleon freed them from their ghettos, they were never accepted anywhere in Europe as equal citizens. Even before the Holocaust, it was clear that the future of Jews in Europe was uncertain - but where else could they go? Anywhere you establish a Jewish state would create controversy - proposals were made to put it in Africa - then it would have been a Jewish colonialist state suppressing Africans. Palestine was obvious, since they didn't leave voluntarily - so it was a matter of going home.

As far as establishing a secular state, if there is a Muslim majority, it would demand Islamic law and Jews would be second class citizens as they were in every Muslim country. To have a Jewish majority, millions of Jews would have to emigrate there, which would cause obvious frictions. Does any Muslim country accept enlightenment principles of religious tolerance (i.e., minority beliefs are treated as equally legitimate, not merely tolerated in the sense of not killing the infidel)? Just look at the spread of Wahhabi fundamentalism - would you risk your family as a minority in a country where Islamic fundamentalists might gain power? Hamas and Islamic Jihad, would they accept a secular state with Jews as equals? European secular states have both an Enlightenment tradition (often after centuries of civil war and upheaval, see Spain for example) and a dominant group - and even then they struggle with minorities (ask the Roma or the Basque). In most of the world, the worst abuses are by a majority against a sizeable minority (Sri Lanka, Malaysia, India, Cameroon, etc.). The protections Americans take for granted don't exist in most countries.

Religion and land are a combustible combination. Throw in 3,000 years of history and duck. There was never going to be a simple solution.

Nor is Israel a "Western colonial state," it may have been originally established by the British (after conquering Turkish imperialists, imperialism is not a Western European invention, ask the Greeks about the Turks), but it is as much an "Arab state" as an European one. Which explains much of its politics.

45% percent of Israel's Jewish population identify as either Mizrahi or Sephardi - mostly descendants of Jews who fled/were expelled from Arab states. Not White Europeans.

Another 15% are from Russia, many after the USSR collapsed and they could leave, again, not exactly Western European Zionists.

The Palestinians are essentially indistinguishable from the Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese (Language, religion, culture and genetics) the Kurds are a distinct people with their own language, culture and genetic history and were deprived of their own country by the British and French when they carved up the Ottoman Empire, leaving them split between Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran. Yet few who champion Palestinian self-determination also support Kurdish self-determination. And the Palestinians have never done so, so much for the "principle."

2 hours ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Good thing he isn’t a white republican like Brees, otherwise his apology wouldn’t have been accepted.

Did anything happen to Brees?

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

My wife did one of those DNA tests via mail.  Don't remember what it was called.  She was all excited.  It came back and it said she was a small % of like 8 different nationalities.  Pretty much what I assumed and what most of us are.  How would one know, the accuracy of those things.  Blind faith, I guess.  It's not like you are going to ask for a refund because you are positive you're not 7% Irish.  

Because I was educated as a historian, my genealogical research is approached from that viewpoint.  I can trace back almost all of my patriarchal ancestors and a fair number of matriarchal ancestors.  Same for my wife.  I still have some gaps.   A few years ago, my daughter bought my wife and me Ancestry DNA kits.  When we got our first results, my reaction was this is BS. It just didn’t match what I knew.  Well that was influenced by the UK and specifically England having the most defined DNA records. The more Ancestry tests, the more it can get accurate.  It keeps updating.  

Archeological DNA fascinates me. The more we look at it, the more we learn how people moved around a bit more than we thought. Plus that Denisovans, Neanderthals and possibly another branch of man that is suggested but not yet discovered didn’t disappear but rather did mate with **** sapiens to the extent that the other branches show up in some of our DNA.  Now we can add to that ancient proteins.  So much we understand about earlier history and prehistory Is determined by what archeology tells us about earlier cultures.  The DNA traces also help us understand movement. 

35 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

My wife did one of those DNA tests via mail.  Don't remember what it was called.  She was all excited.  It came back and it said she was a small % of like 8 different nationalities.  Pretty much what I assumed and what most of us are.  How would one know, the accuracy of those things.  Blind faith, I guess.  It's not like you are going to ask for a refund because you are positive you're not 7% Irish.  

Oh I'm positive I'm not a dirty Irish bastad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that's a joke people

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but I am positive

25 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Did anything happen to Brees?

His name has been permanently smeared. 

10 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

His name has been permanently smeared. 

And...that’s not happening to Jackson? Did people not want him cut? Was he not forced to make a statement and educate himself? I’m confused why you decided to throw race and politics into it. 

2 hours ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Good thing he isn’t a white republican like Brees, otherwise his apology wouldn’t have been accepted.

Black Twitter is a very aggressive/influential force on current social issues. Most blue checkmarks comprising Black Twitter were radio silent on the DeSean Jackson situation. It was absolutely hypocritical, but likely done so as to avoid muddling their message/agenda.

10 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Because a lot of them who read that don’t believe it’s hate speech they believe it’s actual fact And associate Judaism with being a race

The problem is Hitler tried to make Judaism hated and propaganda like Jews were a race. he came up with the Aryan race. The problem with that is Judaism is not a race. it is a religion like Christianity or Mormon or Catholic or Islamic. You can be Asian and be Jewish. You can be black and be Jewish. You can be white and be Jewish. You can be Native American and be Jewish. You can be Latino and be Jewish. You are Jewish by mother side. However you can have Jewish blood in family line dating all the way back. However we all go back to somewhere in our heritage. most people along the way likely had some Jewish ancestry in their family tree just matters how far you go back. 

The NSDAPs defined Jews differently. Anyone with two Jewish grandparents, of either sex, was a Jew. Anyone with a Jewish parent, of either sex, was a Jew. Anyone married to a Jew was a Jew. They didn't give a fg about matrilineality. 

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Black Twitter is a very aggressive/influential force on current social issues. Most blue checkmarks comprising Black Twitter were radio silent on the DeSean Jackson situation. It was absolutely hypocritical, but likely done so as to avoid muddling their message/agenda.

Equality is now an agenda? Cool. 
 

You guys are really bad at this "try to avoid politics” thing.

17 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

His name has been permanently smeared. 

Nah. You’re overreacting. 

48 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's a tad bit more complex.

Genetic studies show that most Jews are closely related, this reflects a simple reality, Jews didn't proselytize, and there was little advantage in converting to Judaism (unlike Christianity and Islam, once conquered by them, failure to join the dominant religion could result in death, or at best, 2nd class status socially and economically). So Jews tended to marry other Jews because no one else wanted to marry them, as well internal pressure to marry within the "tribe".

The Jewish diaspora reflects both the Babylonian conquest, as one stream has been traced to NW Iran into Eastern Europe, and the Roman annihilation of the Jewish state in 70 AD, which brought a sizeable proportion of Hebrews to Rome, to be dispersed throughout the Roman Empire. The expulsion from Spain brought Jews to North Africa and even New Mexico. And there was a sizeable population dispersed around the Middle East at the time of the Roman conquest. Yet all are closely related genetically.

The roots of Zionism laid in the fact that assimilation into Europe was a dismal failure, even after Napoleon freed them from their ghettos, they were never accepted anywhere in Europe as equal citizens. Even before the Holocaust, it was clear that the future of Jews in Europe was uncertain - but where else could they go? Anywhere you establish a Jewish state would create controversy - proposals were made to put it in Africa - then it would have been a Jewish colonialist state suppressing Africans. Palestine was obvious, since they didn't leave voluntarily - so it was a matter of going home.

As far as establishing a secular state, if there is a Muslim majority, it would demand Islamic law and Jews would be second class citizens as they were in every Muslim country. To have a Jewish majority, millions of Jews would have to emigrate there, which would cause obvious frictions. Does any Muslim country accept enlightenment principles of religious tolerance (i.e., minority beliefs are treated as equally legitimate, not merely tolerated in the sense of not killing the infidel)? Just look at the spread of Wahhabi fundamentalism - would you risk your family as a minority in a country where Islamic fundamentalists might gain power? Hamas and Islamic Jihad, would they accept a secular state with Jews as equals? European secular states have both an Enlightenment tradition (often after centuries of civil war and upheaval, see Spain for example) and a dominant group - and even then they struggle with minorities (ask the Roma or the Basque). In most of the world, the worst abuses are by a majority against a sizeable minority (Sri Lanka, Malaysia, India, Cameroon, etc.). The protections Americans take for granted don't exist in most countries.

Religion and land are a combustible combination. Throw in 3,000 years of history and duck. There was never going to be a simple solution.

Nor is Israel a "Western colonial state," it may have been originally established by the British (after conquering Turkish imperialists, imperialism is not a Western European invention, ask the Greeks about the Turks), but it is as much an "Arab state" as an European one. Which explains much of its politics.

45% percent of Israel's Jewish population identify as either Mizrahi or Sephardi - mostly descendants of Jews who fled/were expelled from Arab states. Not White Europeans.

Another 15% are from Russia, many after the USSR collapsed and they could leave, again, not exactly Western European Zionists.

The Palestinians are essentially indistinguishable from the Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese (Language, religion, culture and genetics) the Kurds are a distinct people with their own language, culture and genetic history and were deprived of their own country by the British and French when they carved up the Ottoman Empire, leaving them split between Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran. Yet few who champion Palestinian self-determination also support Kurdish self-determination. And the Palestinians have never done so, so much for the "principle."

Obviously way more complex with longer history. However Was condensing it into a generic how "social media” world with some (a majority on there) of those who don’t know the history or very little go about it. Many of use the well there were no white descendants that far back then and only POC so it stands to believe they are people of Israel and the original Jews to make Judaism about race. When really it was never to be about race and about the religious principles 

as for the hitler part. Still would stand. He made it a race. It’s still not a race. You can’t convert from white to black or Asian to white. You can convert from Judaism to Christianity., vice versa. If you referring to going back in history depending on how far part i say that likely happens with a multitude of things people probably never expected to find in their ancestry. It’s why i put it out there.