1 hour ago, austinfan said:

It's a tad bit more complex.

Genetic studies show that most Jews are closely related, this reflects a simple reality, Jews didn't proselytize, and there was little advantage in converting to Judaism (unlike Christianity and Islam, once conquered by them, failure to join the dominant religion could result in death, or at best, 2nd class status socially and economically). So Jews tended to marry other Jews because no one else wanted to marry them, as well internal pressure to marry within the "tribe".

The Jewish diaspora reflects both the Babylonian conquest, as one stream has been traced to NW Iran into Eastern Europe, and the Roman annihilation of the Jewish state in 70 AD, which brought a sizeable proportion of Hebrews to Rome, to be dispersed throughout the Roman Empire. The expulsion from Spain brought Jews to North Africa and even New Mexico. And there was a sizeable population dispersed around the Middle East at the time of the Roman conquest. Yet all are closely related genetically.

The roots of Zionism laid in the fact that assimilation into Europe was a dismal failure, even after Napoleon freed them from their ghettos, they were never accepted anywhere in Europe as equal citizens. Even before the Holocaust, it was clear that the future of Jews in Europe was uncertain - but where else could they go? Anywhere you establish a Jewish state would create controversy - proposals were made to put it in Africa - then it would have been a Jewish colonialist state suppressing Africans. Palestine was obvious, since they didn't leave voluntarily - so it was a matter of going home.

As far as establishing a secular state, if there is a Muslim majority, it would demand Islamic law and Jews would be second class citizens as they were in every Muslim country. To have a Jewish majority, millions of Jews would have to emigrate there, which would cause obvious frictions. Does any Muslim country accept enlightenment principles of religious tolerance (i.e., minority beliefs are treated as equally legitimate, not merely tolerated in the sense of not killing the infidel)? Just look at the spread of Wahhabi fundamentalism - would you risk your family as a minority in a country where Islamic fundamentalists might gain power? Hamas and Islamic Jihad, would they accept a secular state with Jews as equals? European secular states have both an Enlightenment tradition (often after centuries of civil war and upheaval, see Spain for example) and a dominant group - and even then they struggle with minorities (ask the Roma or the Basque). In most of the world, the worst abuses are by a majority against a sizeable minority (Sri Lanka, Malaysia, India, Cameroon, etc.). The protections Americans take for granted don't exist in most countries.

Religion and land are a combustible combination. Throw in 3,000 years of history and duck. There was never going to be a simple solution.

Nor is Israel a "Western colonial state," it may have been originally established by the British (after conquering Turkish imperialists, imperialism is not a Western European invention, ask the Greeks about the Turks), but it is as much an "Arab state" as an European one. Which explains much of its politics.

45% percent of Israel's Jewish population identify as either Mizrahi or Sephardi - mostly descendants of Jews who fled/were expelled from Arab states. Not White Europeans.

Another 15% are from Russia, many after the USSR collapsed and they could leave, again, not exactly Western European Zionists.

The Palestinians are essentially indistinguishable from the Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese (Language, religion, culture and genetics) the Kurds are a distinct people with their own language, culture and genetic history and were deprived of their own country by the British and French when they carved up the Ottoman Empire, leaving them split between Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran. Yet few who champion Palestinian self-determination also support Kurdish self-determination. And the Palestinians have never done so, so much for the "principle."

Pretty informative.  I've never studied it in detail.  

 

2 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

I'm just gonna throw something out here.

Is it possible that Jackson didn't under the gravity of what he was posting? There are people still claiming the holocaust never happened. 

I'm not defending, just trying to understand the mindset behind his post.

The quote desean posted  is from a book of fiction.

Its talking about Zionism.

Anti Zionism isnt anti semitic its anti zionist.

Having said that if desean knew what he was posting he wouldnt be being told to apologize for be anti semitic.

Theres this unwritten law in society that if anyone says anything disparaging jews that its anti semitic

Anti Zionism is disparaging an act not a people.

I think posting the quote is a bad look i think the automatic anti semitic outrage is ridiculous rhetoric.

Go Eagles!!! Dallas sucks!!!

 

30 minutes ago, justrelax said:

The NSDAPs defined Jews differently. Anyone with two Jewish grandparents, of either sex, was a Jew. Anyone with a Jewish parent, of either sex, was a Jew. Anyone married to a Jew was a Jew. They didn't give a fg about matrilineality. 

Wouldn’t disagree. However by Jewish practices it goes by your mothers bloodline. Hence why i said later in the paragraph you are Jewish by your mothers side. Hitler it made no difference 

with Hitler and NSDAPs you are correct. However they also made the aryan race which was white, blonde hair and blue eyes. Meanwhile there were Jews fitting this description (Were German people who also didn’t fall into this description). however Jews couldn’t be pure in aryan race because of their Judaism even having such hence why I said he tried making Jews a race. 

38 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Because I was educated as a historian, my genealogical research is approached from that viewpoint.  I can trace back almost all of my patriarchal ancestors and a fair number of matriarchal ancestors.  Same for my wife.  I still have some gaps.   A few years ago, my daughter bought my wife and me Ancestry DNA kits.  When we got our first results, my reaction was this is BS. It just didn’t match what I knew.  Well that was influenced by the UK and specifically England having the most defined DNA records. The more Ancestry tests, the more it can get accurate.  It keeps updating.  

Archeological DNA fascinates me. The more we look at it, the more we learn how people moved around a bit more than we thought. Plus that Denisovans, Neanderthals and possibly another branch of man that is suggested but not yet discovered didn’t disappear but rather did mate with **** sapiens to the extent that the other branches show up in some of our DNA.  Now we can add to that ancient proteins.  So much we understand about earlier history and prehistory Is determined by what archeology tells us about earlier cultures.  The DNA traces also help us understand movement. 

There's a UK project that analyzed the genetics of the UK.

But one problem is distinguishing waves of migration of related groups, for example, Anglo-Saxons come from a similar area as the Danes, but earlier, so it's difficult to distinguish the two groups genetically in the UK.

The combination of more testing (larger sample population) and more sophisticated genetic analysis is improving genetic history. It is also improving history in general, because it it revealing waves of migration and conquest that are hard to identify off archeological and linguistic evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Europe

Haplogroup H accounts for about half the gene lines in Europe, with many subgroups. The above mtDNA lineages or their precursors, are most likely to have arrived into Europe via the Middle East. This contrasts with Y DNA evidence, whereby some 50%-plus of male lineages are characterised by the R1 superfamily, which is of possible central Asian origin. Ornella Semino postulates that these differences "may be due in part to the apparent more recent molecular age of Y chromosomes relative to other loci, suggesting more rapid replacement of previous Y chromosomes. Gender-based differential migratory demographic behaviors will also influence the observed patterns of mtDNA and Y variation".

 

The Y chromosomes from Central Asia - i.e. what happens when invaders come in, kill the men, take the women.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

My wife did one of those DNA tests via mail.  Don't remember what it was called.  She was all excited.  It came back and it said she was a small % of like 8 different nationalities.  Pretty much what I assumed and what most of us are.  How would one know, the accuracy of those things.  Blind faith, I guess.  It's not like you are going to ask for a refund because you are positive you're not 7% Irish.  

Not only that, but the numbers are continually updated as more data is collected and their methods get refined. I'm always some mixture of English, Irish, and German but the percentages are always different every time they come out with a new report. I do sense that the percentages are getting closer to what I had expected in the first place.

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

The quote desean posted  is from a book of fiction.

Its talking about Zionism.

Anti Zionism isnt anti semitic its anti zionist.

Having said that if desean knew what he was posting he wouldnt be being told to apologize for be anti semitic.

Theres this unwritten law in society that if anyone says anything disparaging jews that its anti semitic

Anti Zionism is disparaging an act not a people.

I think posting the quote is a bad look i think the automatic anti semitic outrage is ridiculous rhetoric.

Go Eagles!!! Dallas sucks!!!

 

That goes without saying. I love going to my grandsons football games in Arkansas. Everyone down there is either a Chiefs or Dallas fan.

12 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

We are on vacation. 

My son was snagging all the flounder out of the water today.

 

56 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Because I was educated as a historian, my genealogical research is approached from that viewpoint.  I can trace back almost all of my patriarchal ancestors and a fair number of matriarchal ancestors.  Same for my wife.  I still have some gaps.   A few years ago, my daughter bought my wife and me Ancestry DNA kits.  When we got our first results, my reaction was this is BS. It just didn’t match what I knew.  Well that was influenced by the UK and specifically England having the most defined DNA records. The more Ancestry tests, the more it can get accurate.  It keeps updating.  

Archeological DNA fascinates me. The more we look at it, the more we learn how people moved around a bit more than we thought. Plus that Denisovans, Neanderthals and possibly another branch of man that is suggested but not yet discovered didn’t disappear but rather did mate with **** sapiens to the extent that the other branches show up in some of our DNA.  Now we can add to that ancient proteins.  So much we understand about earlier history and prehistory Is determined by what archeology tells us about earlier cultures.  The DNA traces also help us understand movement. 

Cool stuff. Wondering if youve ever been to an LDS genealogical center, us Mormons are kind of big into Genealogy. Not sure if there is one near you but they have a lot if resources and might have some info on your genealogy or avenues you havent considered. Personally Genealogy isnt my thing, its my moms but i like anthropology. My wife is an anthropology major, funny that the board edits out **** in homosapiens. Having said that i find the history of sapiens mixing with neanderthal to be interesting.

2 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

That goes without saying. I love going to my grandsons football games in Arkansas. Everyone down there is either a Chiefs or Dallas fan.

we have a lot of Dallas fans here in wichita, mostly chiefs fans but way too many cowboys fans for my liking😒

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

we have a lot of Dallas fans here in wichita, mostly chiefs fans but way too many cowboys fans for my liking😒

Much like rats and cockroaches you find them everywhere

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

we have a lot of Dallas fans here in wichita, mostly chiefs fans but way too many cowboys fans for my liking😒

I'm in the middle of Chiefs country. It's kind of funny that back in the NFL/AFL days my teams were the Eagles and Chiefs. After the merger i had to pick one but the Vermeil and AR connection makes it enjoyable to watch both.

50 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Nah. You’re overreacting. 

A day after Brees said he didn't agree with disrespecting the flag during the national anthem, and many athletes including Brees' New Orleans Saints teammates blasted him, Sharpe had his say. On FS1's "Undisputed,” Sharpe said he doesn't respect Brees anymore, and that Brees should "probably retire.”

 

Los Angeles (AFP) - The wife of New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees said on Sunday they received death threats over his comments about athletes protesting during the American national anthem.

"Until we experienced the death threats, we experienced the hate, did I realize that these words were speaking directly to us. How could anyone who knows us or has had interactions with us think that Drew or I have a racist bone in our body?" Brittany Brees wrote in a social media post.

There is plenty more of that to go around. I’d say it’s pretty safe to say his name was smeared.

The reaction,  or lack of reaction I should say, from the media and the NFL players to Jackson’s comments are pretty eye opening in comparison.

46 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Equality is now an agenda? Cool. 
 

You guys are really bad at this "try to avoid politics” thing.

Whoa whoa whoa I'm not sure how you read that, but let me clarify. Black Twitter's focus is quite obviously on Black oppression. Going out of their way to condemn DeSean Jackson for his endorsing hateful comments toward Jewish people isn't going to serve their primary message. What is so hard to understand about that?

For the record, I support the movement. But you seem to be so trained in binary thoughts that I wonder you're even prepared for this kind of discourse.

4 hours ago, greend said:

Hey bro, good to see you

Thank you. Nice to see you as well!

22 minutes ago, austinfan said:

There's a UK project that analyzed the genetics of the UK.

But one problem is distinguishing waves of migration of related groups, for example, Anglo-Saxons come from a similar area as the Danes, but earlier, so it's difficult to distinguish the two groups genetically in the UK.

The combination of more testing (larger sample population) and more sophisticated genetic analysis is improving genetic history. It is also improving history in general, because it it revealing waves of migration and conquest that are hard to identify off archeological and linguistic evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Europe

Haplogroup H accounts for about half the gene lines in Europe, with many subgroups. The above mtDNA lineages or their precursors, are most likely to have arrived into Europe via the Middle East. This contrasts with Y DNA evidence, whereby some 50%-plus of male lineages are characterised by the R1 superfamily, which is of possible central Asian origin. Ornella Semino postulates that these differences "may be due in part to the apparent more recent molecular age of Y chromosomes relative to other loci, suggesting more rapid replacement of previous Y chromosomes. Gender-based differential migratory demographic behaviors will also influence the observed patterns of mtDNA and Y variation".

 

The Y chromosomes from Central Asia - i.e. what happens when invaders come in, kill the men, take the women.

It was interesting when the first results came in, Ancestry mistook some of my Scandinavian DNA for English (invaders that stayed).  The latest does the opposite and mistakes a little of my English DNA (or possibly Irish) with my Swedish DNA. 

8 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

A day after Brees said he didn't agree with disrespecting the flag during the national anthem, and many athletes including Brees' New Orleans Saints teammates blasted him, Sharpe had his say. On FS1's "Undisputed,” Sharpe said he doesn't respect Brees anymore, and that Brees should "probably retire.”

 

Los Angeles (AFP) - The wife of New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees said on Sunday they received death threats over his comments about athletes protesting during the American national anthem.

"Until we experienced the death threats, we experienced the hate, did I realize that these words were speaking directly to us. How could anyone who knows us or has had interactions with us think that Drew or I have a racist bone in our body?" Brittany Brees wrote in a social media post.

There is plenty more of that to go around. I’d say it’s pretty safe to say his name was smeared.

The reaction,  or lack of reaction I should say, from the media and the NFL players to Jackson’s comments are pretty eye opening in comparison.

This isn't anything new. It happens a lot. In Green Bay they nailed a puppy to someone's door.

8 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Whoa whoa whoa I'm not sure how you read that, but let me clarify. Black Twitter's focus is quite obviously on Black oppression. Going out of their way to condemn DeSean Jackson for his endorsing hateful comments toward Jewish people isn't going to serve their primary message. What is so hard to understand about that?

For the record, I support the movement. But you seem to be so trained in binary thoughts that I wonder you're even prepared for this kind of discourse.

There is a "Black” Twitter?  I didn’t know that.  I just thought there was one Twitter.  I guess since about all I follow on Twitter is Eagles, UH and PSU football (and basketball for UH), I must be on Green, Red and Blue Twitters. Is Black Twitter Steelers and Raiders fans?

1 hour ago, Blazehound said:

His name has been permanently smeared. 

 

15 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

A day after Brees said he didn't agree with disrespecting the flag during the national anthem, and many athletes including Brees' New Orleans Saints teammates blasted him, Sharpe had his say. On FS1's "Undisputed,” Sharpe said he doesn't respect Brees anymore, and that Brees should "probably retire.”

 

Los Angeles (AFP) - The wife of New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees said on Sunday they received death threats over his comments about athletes protesting during the American national anthem.

"Until we experienced the death threats, we experienced the hate, did I realize that these words were speaking directly to us. How could anyone who knows us or has had interactions with us think that Drew or I have a racist bone in our body?" Brittany Brees wrote in a social media post.

There is plenty more of that to go around. I’d say it’s pretty safe to say his name was smeared.

The reaction,  or lack of reaction I should say, from the media and the NFL players to Jackson’s comments are pretty eye opening in comparison.

You said permanently smeared. It isn’t. The things you quoted were directly after his initial comments. Many people have come out in support of him since, including his teammates. They accepted his apology. What he has done and will do after apologizing will largely erase people’s initial reactions to that. 

You’re overreacting. 

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He honestly should take them on that offer. It’ll absolutely change your life and perspective. 

If he doesn't accept then can I go? That would be a great tour IMO

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

My wife did one of those DNA tests via mail.  Don't remember what it was called.  She was all excited.  It came back and it said she was a small % of like 8 different nationalities.  Pretty much what I assumed and what most of us are.  How would one know, the accuracy of those things.  Blind faith, I guess.  It's not like you are going to ask for a refund because you are positive you're not 7% Irish.  

I did 23andMe. I was surprised by some the results. Also did the health thing.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

You said permanently smeared. It isn’t. The things you quoted were directly after his initial comments. Many people have come out in support of him since, including his teammates. They accepted his apology. What he has done since apologizing will largely erase people’s initial reactions to that. 

You’re overreacting. 

Where was the initial vitriol towards DeSean in the same manner from the likes of Malcolm Jenkins who were so quick to jump all over Brees? I must have missed it.

What DeSean posted was far worse then Brees giving his personal opinion on the anthem and flag.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

If he doesn't accept then can I go? That would be a great tour IMO

I would go in an instant also. In fact I would pay to go. Of course I would need to cleanse my palate with some cold beer and scenic vistas the next day, but boy would it be a life changing experience.

 

3 minutes ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

Where was the initial vitriol towards DeSean in the same manner from the likes of Malcolm Jenkins who were so quick to jump all over Brees? I must have missed it.

The same could be said for those who are smearing DeSean. 
 

People tend to tweet about things that resonate with them, who knew?

 

So now POC have to be the protectors of all that is right and wrong? 

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

If he doesn't accept then can I go? That would be a great tour IMO

I did 23andMe. I was surprised by some the results. Also did the health thing.

I've been. Great is not the right word, at least for me.

Just now, justrelax said:

I've been. Great is not the right word, at least for me.

Did you also have a survivor giving the tour?