25 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You proselytized me on it.

Well, I’m glad I did one good deed.

53 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It is a GREAT investment.   Literally the easiest and most fail safe way to cook a steak and pretty much anything else, for that matter.   Cook, hold at temp until you are ready... sear and eat.   

 

Also the best way to reheat nearly anything without causing the food to be overly dried out like so many other methods.

Any preferred suggested brands?

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Good question by goodwin.

I’m baffled that you can’t see how the following is anti-Semitic. 

 

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Any preferred suggested brands?

I use Anova.  Not sure I'd suggest it over other brands, but it works well for me.  Set me back about $100.

49 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

OK Adolph

So no real dialogue just going to call names?

Same ol same ol on this board whether it football or politics, when someone has nothing of any worth to say they resort to name calling.😒

5 hours ago, Utebird said:

Cool stuff. Wondering if youve ever been to an LDS genealogical center, us Mormons are kind of big into Genealogy. Not sure if there is one near you but they have a lot if resources and might have some info on your genealogy or avenues you havent considered. Personally Genealogy isnt my thing, its my moms but i like anthropology. My wife is an anthropology major, funny that the board edits out **** in homosapiens. Having said that i find the history of sapiens mixing with neanderthal to be interesting.

Ancestry.com is run by the Mormons.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m baffled that you can’t see how the following is anti-Semitic. 

 

Im baffled that so many people take a fictional quote from a fictional book and automatically assume its anti semitic without looking into the context of the quote.

The quote is talking about Anti Zionism and how America and Israel will conspire together for world domination.

its not an unpopular view in middle eastern geopolitics. Anti Zionism isnt anti semitic though those who promote Zionism will suggest it is to deflect from the issue.

That being said i again dont think Deseans intention was to start a discussion about middle eastern geopolitics with the western world.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I use Anova.  Not sure I'd suggest it over other brands, but it works well for me.  Set me back about $100.

100$ is well within my budget. How long do they last. Is it something ill need to replace in a couple years or is it like a crockpot that i can will to my grandchildren😄

56 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Good question by goodwin.

You really should be careful with your responses.  The Zionists in Israel have all sorts of approaches and do not all agree with the doctrines originally proposed by Herzl.  But some of the doctrines of Young in Utah, were not unlike those of Herzl.  (Both proposed isolation of their religious groups, for example). The treatment of the Utes, not unlike the treatment of the Palestinians. Surely, you are also aware of the Mountain Meadows massacre where the Mormon militia disguised as native Americans attacked and massacred members of a wagon train.

No anti-Semitism is not equivalent of anti-Zionism but anti-Zionism can be seen as opposing the Israeli state right to existence.

The quote about blackmailing America and plan for world domination and most especially suggesting that white people of the Jewish faith are not true Children of Israel is anti-Semitic. Not sure I catch your take that is antiZionist but not anti-Semitic.  

I really don’t want to engage on this.  I would just ask you caution in making posts like this.  I see it as supportive of offensive statements   

 

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Im baffled that so many people take a fictional quote from a fictional book and automatically assume its anti semitic without looking into the context of the quote.

The quote is talking about Anti Zionism and how America and Israel will conspire together for world domination.

its not an unpopular view in middle eastern geopolitics. Anti Zionism isnt anti semitic though those who promote Zionism will suggest it is to deflect from the issue.

That being said i again dont think Deseans intention was to start a discussion about middle eastern geopolitics with the western world.

 

 

The Anti Defamation League strongly disagrees with your stance. 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

100$ is well within my budget. How long do they last. Is it something ill need to replace in a couple years or is it like a crockpot that i can will to my grandchildren😄

I've had it for 2 years or so.  I don't use it constantly, but it does seem to be holding up well. 

13 minutes ago, Utebird said:

So no real dialogue just going to call names?

Same ol same ol on this board whether it football or politics, when someone has nothing of any worth to say they resort to name calling.😒

I made my argument.  It was persuasive and correct.  I mean just because I called you Adolph doesn't mean I think you're a NSDAP.  What does the name Adolph have to do with Nazism.  

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Im baffled that so many people take a fictional quote from a fictional book and automatically assume its anti semitic without looking into the context of the quote.

The quote is talking about Anti Zionism and how America and Israel will conspire together for world domination.

its not an unpopular view in middle eastern geopolitics. Anti Zionism isnt anti semitic though those who promote Zionism will suggest it is to deflect from the issue.

That being said i again dont think Deseans intention was to start a discussion about middle eastern geopolitics with the western world.

 

 

It's antisemitic because it is fantastical and untrue.  It is not just directed at zionism but what it seeks to do is disenfranchise Jewish people as people of God by calling them "white-jews." In fact the whole ideology is based on that idea.  The idea that "white-jews" are not God's people but are spawned from Satan.  

12 minutes ago, Utebird said:

So no real dialogue just going to call names?

Same ol same ol on this board whether it football or politics, when someone has nothing of any worth to say they resort to name calling.😒

It's tone-deaf, hypocritical, and it's stereotyping an entire race of people based on a minority's actions. Let alone endorsing a quote that was presumed to be from Hitler, which is already dumb enough. I don't stereotype the black progress movement with the actions of gangs, those who looted and destroyed cities, shot kids dead in Chicago and DC, or shot cops dead in streets. Because that takes away from the productive protests and those who are actually fighting for real change. 

 

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m baffled that you can’t see how the following is anti-Semitic. 

 

The larger quote is far more bizarre:

"The white Jews knows that the Negroes are the real Children of Israel and to keep Americas secret the Jews will blackmail America. They will extort America, their plan for world domination won’t work if the Negroes know who they were. The white citizens of America will be terrified to know that all this time they’ve been mistreating and discriminating and lynching the Children of Israel."

Who Farrakhan really is:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/louis-farrakhan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan

https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/nation-of-islam-farrakhan-in-his-own-words

Problem for DeSean is he's obviously not much of a critical thinker, but posting that quote is hard to defend, the whole speech may have been about Black Empowerment, but why focus on the one part that's viciously anti-Semitic (and just plain bizarre, something you'd expect from a Rastaman after 3 or 4 blunts).

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2020/07/heres-the-context-of-the-louis-farrakhan-speech-that-desean-jackson-liked-so-much.html

 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

You really should be careful with your responses.  The Zionists in Israel have all sorts of approaches and do not all agree with the doctrines originally proposed by Herzl.  But some of the doctrines of Young in Utah, were not unlike those of Herzl.  (Both proposed isolation of their religious groups, for example). The treatment of the Utes, not unlike the treatment of the Palestinians. Surely, you are also aware of the Mountain Meadows massacre where the Mormon militia disguised as native Americans attacked and massacred members of a wagon train.

No anti-Semitism is not equivalent of anti-Zionism but anti-Zionism can be seen as opposing the Israeli state right to existence.

The quote about blackmailing America and plan for world domination and most especially suggesting that white people of the Jewish faith are not true Children of Israel is anti-Semitic. Not sure I catch your take that is antiZionist but not anti-Semitic.  

I really don’t want to engage on this.  I would just ask you caution in making posts like this.  I see it as supportive of offensive statements   

 

The mountain meadow massacre is a source of great debate among mormon historians and other historians including my uncle who isnt active mormon and has written a book on the mountain meadow massacre. Its not something that is frequently talked about outside maybe a utah history class. 

As for the rest i dont care to discuss it any further either.

I find the automatic anti semitic rhetoric without context to be offensive.

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The Anti Defamation League strongly disagrees with your stance. 

Does Palestine?

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

100$ is well within my budget. How long do they last. Is it something ill need to replace in a couple years or is it like a crockpot that i can will to my grandchildren😄

My crockpot is older than my children. An old Hamilton Beach. Has a setting called Automatic.  Cooks on high for an hour and then switches to slow.  One of the reasons I went with an Instant Pot is I can just about mimic that.  The only drawback is that old crockpot didn’t have a warm setting.  I bought a newer lower end crockpot a couple years ago when I needed a warmer.  Turns out, that is all it is good for. Used the slow cooking mode and nothing cooked. Was making a vegetable soup.  After eight hours, I moved it to my stock pot and cooked it on the stove.  Really looking forward to making soups and broths in the Instant Pot. 

 

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I made my argument.  It was persuasive and correct.  I mean just because I called you Adolph doesn't mean I think you're a NSDAP.  What does the name Adolph have to do with Nazism.  

It's antisemitic because it is fantastical and untrue.  It is not just directed at zionism but what it seeks to do is disenfranchise Jewish people as people of God by calling them "white-jews." In fact the whole ideology is based on that idea.  The idea that "white-jews" are not God's people but are spawned from Satan.  

The term " white jews" denotes their actions and those actions the actions of zionism as being of satan not all jews. At least thats where i think the author is going with it. Not sure.

 

12 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Im baffled that so many people take a fictional quote from a fictional book and automatically assume its anti semitic without looking into the context of the quote.

The quote is talking about Anti Zionism and how America and Israel will conspire together for world domination.

its not an unpopular view in middle eastern geopolitics. Anti Zionism isnt anti semitic though those who promote Zionism will suggest it is to deflect from the issue.

That being said i again dont think Deseans intention was to start a discussion about middle eastern geopolitics with the western world.

 

 

It's stolen from the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", an infamous forgery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

It's been promoted by those "Middle Eastern thinkers" you refer to.

Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic only to the extent that it considers Jewish nationalism, but not all nationalism, to be illegitimate, that is, either you're against nationalism by any people, including Palestinians (you're a true Internationist), or focusing on Zionism is anti-Semitic b/c you're signaling out Jewish nationalism for special approbation.

Perhaps the biggest lesson in all of this is how utterly toxic social media is and how it amplifies minor issues into large crises.   If we are not all equally accountable for our posts or views, then all it creates is more hate and bigotry.

There are times that I feel like social media should be turned off for 2 weeks to break the cycle that so many are under.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

My crockpot is older than my children. An old Hamilton Beach. Has a setting called Automatic.  Cooks on high for an hour and then switches to slow.  One of the reasons I went with an Instant Pot is I can just about mimic that.  The only drawback is that old crockpot didn’t have a warm setting.  I bought a newer lower end crockpot a couple years ago when I needed a warmer.  Turns out, that is all it is good for. Used the slow cooking mode and nothing cooked. Was making a vegetable soup.  After eight hours, I moved it to my stock pot and cooked it on the stove.  Really looking forward to making soups and broths in the Instant Pot. 

Insta pots are great. I really want to make a broccoli cheese soup in mine. Just gotta do it.

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

My crockpot is older than my children. An old Hamilton Beach. Has a setting called Automatic.  Cooks on high for an hour and then switches to slow.  One of the reasons I went with an Instant Pot is I can just about mimic that.  The only drawback is that old crockpot didn’t have a warm setting.  I bought a newer lower end crockpot a couple years ago when I needed a warmer.  Turns out, that is all it is good for. Used the slow cooking mode and nothing cooked. Was making a vegetable soup.  After eight hours, I moved it to my stock pot and cooked it on the stove.  Really looking forward to making soups and broths in the Instant Pot. 

You won't be disappointed.   The bone broth is makes is fantastic!  So gelatinous!

 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's stolen from the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", an infamous forgery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

It's been promoted by those "Middle Eastern thinkers" you refer to.

Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic only to the extent that it considers Jewish nationalism, but not all nationalism, to be illegitimate, that is, either you're against nationalism by any people, including Palestinians (you're a true Internationist), or focusing on Zionism is anti-Semitic b/c you're signaling out Jewish nationalism for special approbation.

Thanks this is helpful well thought out info.

Ill admit the whole discussion can be daunting as the whole conflict goes back thousands of years and involves multiple peoples cultures and religions. Its been a mess for a while and im trying to understand best i can from multiple sides instead of just automatically following anti semitic rhetoric, i dont think thats helpful but also understand how jewish people would be offended.

Thanks for civil discourse!