On 7/7/2020 at 3:06 PM, justrelax said:

It's been some years since I read a lot of his stuff but his ability to distinguish antisemitism from antizionism is a major position for me. He also took the position that the anti-Arab racism has replaced antisemitism as racism in its most virulent form.  His criticism of Libertarianism, at least in its American form is, to me, spot on. I'm putting this stuff badly but it's worth reading up on. 

I'm just cherry-picking here because, as I said, it's been a while.  As someone who recommended the terrific The Coddling of the American Mind, I would expect you to have some tolerance for his thought, and perhaps you do. Your posts have unusual amounts of heft, for lack of a better teem.

Rightful criticism of Chomsky comes from two fronts: his views on geopolitical issues and his pseudo-intellectual garbage. Both of these have made him a borderline deity in Western academic circles, the media, and the far Left. 

First, in regards to his geopolitical beliefs, Chomsky is a straight up clown. He is a tribalist in the highest order, and his tribe is anti-America, anti-Isreal, and anti-Western society. I'm not suggesting that criticism of those three is unwarranted. There isn't an institution/system in the world that lacks the need for criticism. Chomsky, however, finds fault in every Western action, while simultaneously siding with the world's worst regimes. Name any murderous dictatorship from the past 150 years, and then go read Chomsky's praise of said dictatorship. It's not just that he praises these dictatorships; he has the audacity to explain away and rationalize the millions of associated deaths. From an academic perspective, he should feel free to take the side of Pol Pot. However, if one was truly looking at it from an academic perspective, they would, at the bare minimum, recognize the associated atrocities. He doesn't do that. You mentioned that he was too pure for your liking. I'd argue that he's the opposite of pure. His palatable hatred of all things Western taints his analysis. Actually, taint is too soft of a word. His hatred is his North Star. Any geopolitical analysis that he offers starts with identifying the "bad" Western force and the "good" non-Western force. That makes him an activist, not an academic. Simply put, he's Bill Ayers minus the body count. 

As for his pseudo-intellectual ramblings, this is kind of hard to dissect without using supplemental material (ie. political compass charts). Personally, my biggest issue with him is his laughable positions on "libertarian-socialists" and "anarcho-socialists." As has been pointed out by true academics, these stances are nothing more than oxymorons. It highlights his, and unfortunately many other's, misunderstanding of socialism. When a collection of people embrace socialist policies (I'm using the word socialist broadly here), the unavoidable by-product, whether or not it's intended, is a concentration of power. The more a society "interferes" in the economic system, there HAS TO BE a corresponding increase in either the size of the government or the strength of the government (normally both). That governmental increase results in a decrease in individual sovereignty. That is why his libertarian-socialist claims are laughable. It's oxymoronic. So how does Chomsky rectify this obvious contradiction? He does it by employing the same method used by other activist intellectuals: spewing out word salads. (Side point: in my opinion, this is THE single greatest issue in academia.) He has to redefine libertarism in order to gloss over the contradictions. 2+1=4 because 2=3. Fifty years ago, academia would resoundingly laugh at this garage (which they did). Now it's praised. He wants to present himself as a political/economic theorist, but he doesn't want to be held to their same standards.

I can't speak to his work on linguistics. It's a subject I have absolutely no interest in. 

Quick comment of his distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. Of course there's a distinction between the two. However, Chomsky uses that distinction like a snake. He uses that distinction as a shield so that he can engage in anti-Semitism while claiming it's only anti-Zionism. There's a reason why he's associated with, and has academically collaborated with, Holocaust deniers. 

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

I wonder the value they’d get for him. I’d love him in the rotation. However i am betting the niners tell him to pound sand. 

As a jersey collector was thrilled to stumble upon this gem and buy it today. 
 

 

Can't ever criticize a RB wanting to get paid.

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I'd would like to get him in the rotation. Doubt the 49ers cave, request a reasonable price, and his contract demands aren't too much though. He's 28 years old but doesn't have too many miles on him.

The Eagles aren’t giving him a raise. 

 

23 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

That’s an interesting one.  The 49ers aren’t likely to give him a pay raise based off of one season and a bit, and he’s still got 2 years remaining on his current deal.  Mostert will be paid an average of about $3M over the next two years, while Breida and Coleman are slightly higher paid — $3.5M and $4.5M — but the Niners could just shrug and likely not miss a beat even if Mostert holds out of camp.

 

34 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

You read and study American History like me, and with my western focus, you read about Mountain Meadows.   It truly is interesting.  What did Lee say to Haight, what was Young’s response. Did the Paiutes participate at all?  What is the title of your uncle’s book?  Worth a read?  

BTW, the handcart migration story is fascinating. 

Im not sure the title of the book but ill find it. But yeah its worth a read if you enjoy that type of reading which id guess do as much as you know about history. If i remember it was actually a state high school history book that the utah legislature ordered him to re write to fit closer the churchs telling of the massacre. Politics in Utah is weird...My uncles name is John S McCormick not to be confused with John McCormick who writes about European Political History. My uncle just does Utah History.

The handcart migration story is pretty cool. They actually do annual reenactments like a youth camp sort of thing. I never went but lots of history

Most people dont know that they actually left Missouri because governor boggs enacted an extermination order against them, Something Mormons have in common with jews😞it was actually legal to shoot a mormon on site in Missouri until i think 1992???

Interesting history.

 

 

 

Red Tails. Works perfectly. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

That seems reasonable. Weird. 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

The term " white jews" denotes their actions and those actions the actions of zionism as being of satan not all jews. At least thats where i think the author is going with it. Not sure.

 

Here are some other quotes from Louis Farrakhan, the author of the quote: 

"The Jews, a small handful, control the movement of this great nation, like a radar controls the movement of a great ship in the waters. … The Jews got a stranglehold on the Congress."
­–Louis Farrakhan, Saviours’ Day speech, Chicago, Feb. 25, 1990

"The Jews, a small handful, control the movement of this great nation, like a radar controls the movement of a great ship in the waters. … The Jews got a stranglehold on the Congress."
­–Louis Farrakhan, Saviours’ Day speech, Chicago, Feb. 25, 1990

"We can now present to our people and the world a true, undeniable record of the relationship between Blacks and Jews from their own mouths and pens. These scholars, Rabbis and historians [that Nation of Islam researchers studied] have given to us an undeniable record of Jewish anti-Black behavior, starting with the horror of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, plantation slavery, Jim Crow, sharecropping, the labor movement of the North and South, the unions and the misuse of our people that continues to this very moment.”
–Letter sent by Louis Farrakhan to Jewish leaders and the Southern Poverty Law Center, June 24, 2010

"Pedophilia and sexual perversion institutionalized in Hollywood and the entertainment industries can be traced to Talmudic principles and Jewish influence. Not Jewish influence, Satanic influence under the name of Jew.”
–Louis Farrakhan, Saviours’ Day speech, Chicago, Feb. 17, 2019 

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/louis-farrakhan

None of these quotes have little to do with Zionism.  They have to do with a fantastical view that Jewish people are actually not people.  That they are engaged in some worldwide conspiracy to subjugate and punish blacks in America.  Further, that black people are the actual people of God not the "white Jews."  If you don't think the quote was anti-semitic, it is because you have willfully ignored the text of the quote, the actual source of the quote and who is purported to have said the quote.  

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Red Tails. Works perfectly. 

I like the idea but I think it’s risky. That name could get the cancel treatment too, eventually. I’m guessing they just end up doing something more generic 

52 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

Rightful criticism of Chomsky comes from two fronts: his views on geopolitical issues and his pseudo-intellectual garbage. Both of these have made him a borderline deity in Western academic circles, the media, and the far Left. 

First, in regards to his geopolitical beliefs, Chomsky is a straight up clown. He is a tribalist in the highest order, and his tribe is anti-America, anti-Isreal, and anti-Western society. I'm not suggesting that criticism of those three is unwarranted. There isn't an institution/system in the world that lacks the need for criticism. Chomsky, however, finds fault in every Western action, while simultaneously siding with the world's worst regimes. Name any murderous dictatorship from the past 150 years, and then go read Chomsky's praise of said dictatorship. It's not just that he praises these dictatorships; he has the audacity to explain away and rationalize the millions of associated deaths. From an academic perspective, he should feel free to take the side of Pol Pot. However, if one was truly looking at it from an academic perspective, they would, at the bare minimum, recognize the associated atrocities. He doesn't do that. You mentioned that he was too pure for your liking. I'd argue that he's the opposite of pure. His palatable hatred of all things Western taints his analysis. Actually, taint is too soft of a word. His hatred is his North Star. Any geopolitical analysis that he offers starts with identifying the "bad" Western force and the "good" non-Western force. That makes him an activist, not an academic. Simply put, he's Bill Ayers minus the body count. 

As for his pseudo-intellectual ramblings, this is kind of hard to dissect without using supplemental material (ie. political compass charts). Personally, my biggest issue with him is his laughable positions on "libertarian-socialists" and "anarcho-socialists." As has been pointed out by true academics, these stances are nothing more than oxymorons. It highlights his, and unfortunately many other's, misunderstanding of socialism. When a collection of people embrace socialist policies (I'm using the word socialist broadly here), the unavoidable by-product, whether or not it's intended, is a concentration of power. The more a society "interferes" in the economic system, there HAS TO BE a corresponding increase in either the size of the government or the strength of the government (normally both). That governmental increase results in a decrease in individual sovereignty. That is why his libertarian-socialist claims are laughable. It's oxymoronic. So how does Chomsky rectify this obvious contradiction? He does it by employing the same method used by other activist intellectuals: spewing out word salads. (Side point: in my opinion, this is THE single greatest issue in academia.) He has to redefine libertarism in order to gloss over the contradictions. 2+1=4 because 2=3. Fifty years ago, academia would resoundingly laugh at this garage (which they did). Now it's praised. He wants to present himself as a political/economic theorist, but he doesn't want to be held to their same standards.

I can't speak to his work on linguistics. It's a subject I have absolutely no interest in. 

Quick comment of his distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. Of course there's a distinction between the two. However, Chomsky uses that distinction like a snake. He uses that distinction as a shield so that he can engage in anti-Semitism while claiming it's only anti-Zionism. There's a reason why he's associated with, and has academically collaborated with, Holocaust deniers. 

Chomsky holocaust denier?

https://www.quora.com/Does-Noam-Chomsky-deny-the-Holocaust

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

His kid might be the absolute worst radio personality I've ever heard.  

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup... in other news, my school board just approved our reopening plan.  The staff has been informed.   

And what we have basically been told is that we are re-opening on schedule, as planned with whomever shows up.  With anyone who doesn't show up, prepare non-face-to-face activities that mirror the in-class face-to-face activities.  And be prepared for any possibility that might occur.  100% attendance, 100% at-home, 50% every day - but rotating groups, etc. etc.     What we have is a definite possibility of a definite maybe that school will happen at school or at home or some combo.   But, hey, we'll figure it out, or we won't, but we'll do something.   At least that's the direction we've been given... or its close to the direction.  

 

Meanwhile, I am brushing up on my tap dancing so that I will be ready for any eventuality.  

My wife is taking a continuing ed class on remote learning at the K-6 level.  It's offered through NC State.  There are more than 7,000 teachers taking the class and they're from all over the world.  Teachers are really uncertain about how to manage kids in these environments.  I mean one proposal in NC is to have a 3 week rotation with 1/3 attending and 2/3 doing remote learning.  The problem is that the teacher still has to teach all of the kids.  So they will be running remote and in-person teaching at the same time.  It's going to be difficult.  

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Chomsky holocaust denier?

https://www.quora.com/Does-Noam-Chomsky-deny-the-Holocaust

Did I claim that he himself was a Holocaust denier? I stated that has associated with them. In that extremely reliable and credible link you provided, it provides Chomsky's backtracking after writing a foreword for a Holocaust denier's book. In typical Chomsky fashion, half of his public statements are backtracking/clarifying previous positions. I've never seen someone, and a so-called intellectual nonetheless, who has to spend so much energy revising his own past actions/comments. Yet academia/media constantly allow it. 

28 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Here are some other quotes from Louis Farrakhan, the author of the quote: 

"The Jews, a small handful, control the movement of this great nation, like a radar controls the movement of a great ship in the waters. … The Jews got a stranglehold on the Congress."
­–Louis Farrakhan, Saviours’ Day speech, Chicago, Feb. 25, 1990

"The Jews, a small handful, control the movement of this great nation, like a radar controls the movement of a great ship in the waters. … The Jews got a stranglehold on the Congress."
­–Louis Farrakhan, Saviours’ Day speech, Chicago, Feb. 25, 1990

"We can now present to our people and the world a true, undeniable record of the relationship between Blacks and Jews from their own mouths and pens. These scholars, Rabbis and historians [that Nation of Islam researchers studied] have given to us an undeniable record of Jewish anti-Black behavior, starting with the horror of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, plantation slavery, Jim Crow, sharecropping, the labor movement of the North and South, the unions and the misuse of our people that continues to this very moment.”
–Letter sent by Louis Farrakhan to Jewish leaders and the Southern Poverty Law Center, June 24, 2010

"Pedophilia and sexual perversion institutionalized in Hollywood and the entertainment industries can be traced to Talmudic principles and Jewish influence. Not Jewish influence, Satanic influence under the name of Jew.”
–Louis Farrakhan, Saviours’ Day speech, Chicago, Feb. 17, 2019 

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/louis-farrakhan

None of these quotes have little to do with Zionism.  They have to do with a fantastical view that Jewish people are actually not people.  That they are engaged in some worldwide conspiracy to subjugate and punish blacks in America.  Further, that black people are the actual people of God not the "white Jews."  If you don't think the quote was anti-semitic, it is because you have willfully ignored the text of the quote, the actual source of the quote and who is purported to have said the quote.  

You want some more quotes by him that are bad. here’s 20 of them. he’s also anti-gay, a misogynist, racist towards not just white but also Asians and once called Hitler a great man. 
 

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2018/03/24/the-20-worst-quotes-from-louis-farrakhan-liberal-americas-favorite-racist-n2463869

22 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I like the idea but I think it’s risky. That name could get the cancel treatment too, eventually. I’m guessing they just end up doing something more generic 

Please tell me how the Tuskeegee Airmen would be 'cancelled'?    Personally, I think we should just vote anyone 'offended' by the Tuskeegee Airmen off the island.  The tribe has spoken.  Extinguish that torch.  

21 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Chomsky holocaust denier?

https://www.quora.com/Does-Noam-Chomsky-deny-the-Holocaust

That's not what he said...

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I tuned them out years ago.  Mike Golic is very unlikable.   He’s very smug when it comes to the fans.  If his son is worse than I’m sure he’s pretty bad.  

You would want to punch your TV if you listened to his son.  Mike Golic at least had a few funny moments years ago when his schtick was to act aloof like he was a complete dufus.  His son attempts to be just like his dad, and it's awkward to no end.  

12 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

Did I claim that he himself was a Holocaust denier? I stated that has associated with them. In that extremely reliable and credible link you provided, it provides Chomsky's backtracking after writing a foreword for a Holocaust denier's book. In typical Chomsky fashion, half of his public statements are backtracking/clarifying previous positions. I've never seen someone, and a so-called intellectual nonetheless, who has to spend so much energy revising his own past actions/comments. Yet academia/media constantly allow it. 

Yeah i agree it really grinds my gears😒

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Please tell me how the Tuskeegee Airmen would be 'cancelled'?    Personally, I think we should just vote anyone 'offended' by the Tuskeegee Airmen off the island.  The tribe has spoken.  Extinguish that torch.  

That's not what he said...

Why tuskegee isnt tuskegee in Alabama?

Thats pretty far away from Maryland no?