1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

I think you are misinterpreting what I am saying. I am just not sure what you expect the Eagles and the League to condemn.  

They should condemn Malik Jackson's praise of a bigot. It's that simple.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

There’s an old joke about a NSDAP rally in Nuremberg where Hitler is screaming, "Who causes all of Germany’s problems?” An old man in the crowd shouts back, "The bicycle riders.” Hitler’s taken by surprise and asks, "Why the bicycle riders?” To which the old man replies, "Why the Jews?” 

This goes back to the origins of the Catholic Church, much like Muhammad, they took the Jewish rejection of Jesus (or Muhammad as Prophet) as an attack on the legitimacy of the new faith. The Church had an almost two millennium campaign against the Jews, depending on the Pope at the time. And many Protestants, like Luther, doubled down (but not John Calvin).

A second factor was that in Europe in the Middle Ages, usury was a sin, so only the Jews could lend money, and no one likes the debt collector. They were also used as tax collectors in many countries. Jews were associated with commerce, because like the Venetians and a few other groups, they were able to conduct long distance commerce through family connections in a time when you couldn't rely on VISA or bank clearing houses. So now the Jews were money lenders and merchants in the mind of the Christian. When the Christians realized how much money could be made from banking, lending with interest stopped being a sin. While Jews are associated with the great banking houses such as the Rothchilds and later Goldman and Lehman, somehow bankers like the Medicis, Fuggers, later the Morgans, et al, never had the same stigma. In a similar fashion, Jews are associated with tight business dealings, but not the Dutch and English, who had far more economic power (East India Company, etc.). This is where religious prejudice combines with a grain of fact.

The underlying prejudice supported by the Church led to crazy rumors that people believed, Jews using the blood of Christian children to make Matzos for Passover, Jews poisoning the wells during the Black Death, and so on. Isolating the Jews in Ghettos, walled off Jewish quarters, also encouraged prejudice of the "unknown." But these motifs had become part of Western culture, Shakespeare had probably never met a Jew when he wrote the "Merchant of Venice" because they had been expelled from England centuries before - but Shylock is a walking stereotype (though Shakespeare gives him the best lines).

E.M. Rose - The Murder of William of Norwich; The Origins of the Blood Libel in Medieval Europe - Oxford 2015

When Napoleon freed the Jews from the Ghettos around Europe, the Jews, as an urban people (because in most places they couldn't own land, still trying to figure out how my grandfather ended up as a Kulak (gentleman farmer) in the northern Ukraine before he fled the Red Army) were well positioned for the industrial revolution, both in Europe and America. And their cultural emphasis on education gave them a head start in this new world, which probably explains why there are so many Jewish Nobel Prize winners, writers, etc. But this also made them the lightning rod for discontent with the changes wrote by the Industrial Revolution, and more recently, Globalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism

Robert Chazan - From Anti-Judaism to Anti-Semitism; Ancient and Medieval Christian Constructions of Jewish History - Cambridge 2016

James Carroll - Constantine's Sword: The Church and the Jews, A History - Houghton-Mifflin 2002

Marvin Perry and Federick Schweitzer - Anti-Semitism:  Myth and Hate From Antiquity to the Present - Palgrave 2002

 

Thank You. I've looked this up several times and this is the best explanation i've seen.

In other words there is no rational reason.

From the Driscoll Q&A:

Quote

You had previously said that you worked on center snaps in the offseason to expand your versatility, but you’ve also already played guard and tackle. How much do you think that helps you heading into what seems like a wide-open competition on the offensive line depth chart?

"Like I said earlier, the more positions you can play, the better off you are, and the easier it is to find a role. But for me, I’m just focused on getting in shape mentally and physically and doing all of my position work. And then, whatever the coaches ask me to play, whether it’s center, guard, tackle, I can do it. I can step up and do it to the best of my ability. So really, I’m just focused on everything, that way I can find a role and help this team win ball games because that’s ultimately my goal.”

The highlighted part is my favorite.  It's very different from the dread and fear that we heard from Dillard on the move to RT.  Driscoll seems like the type that you want to have around.  Not only his Swiss Army knife potential, but that mentality of just going out to do the work that's needed to do whatever is necessary for the team.  I love the confidence, but it's a humble confidence.   Hard not to root for a kid like that.   Also great to hear from him that Prince is a hard worker also.   Prince might be the future at RT (or LT).  Driscoll - I still see him as the future OC.  I want a guy that could play all 5 positions in there making the line calls.  That just seems like the most prudent.   And, he's got a very high level of athleticism.

39 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Some of the Disney hotels may be dated but they’re still pretty nice.  
 

I know they have an agreement with Disney but an easy way to alleviate it is if they allow some players and their families to stay at other properties.  You have the Gaylord Palms which, is attached to Disney property and it’s probably among one of the nicest resorts in the world.  5 star + level. 
 

F him

10 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

There is racism towards all races.  But it seems maybe some shout it out more than others.

I would suggest that the racism directed by blacks against whites was, like EF Hutton’s reputation, fully earned.

He should try three weeks in an Armenian hotel, formerly a Russian hostel, basically one step up from barracks life.

Maybe things have improved but Yerevan was pretty bleak in 1999.

After watching some video, Driscoll was the third day of the draft pick that I liked the most. I have a feeling he's going to end up a starter somewhere down the road. Needs to get stronger though. 

1 hour ago, Giddyunc said:

Holding a religious title does not exempt that person from criticism. There are countless religious leaders that engage in extreme hateful rhetoric with many of them being flat-out criminals. In today's woke culture, if that is the reason why there's no rebuke of Malik's comment, then it's even more pathetic. 

I personally find Jerry Falwell jr’s rhetoric to be appalling, to cite one example.

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I would suggest that the racism directed by blacks against whites was, like EF Hutton’s reputation, fully earned.

Earned? Perhaps. Justified? Absolutely not. Hating someone because of their skin color is objectively wrong. 

5 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

After watching some video, Driscoll was the third day of the draft pick that I liked the most. I have a feeling he's going to end up a starter somewhere down the road. Needs to get stronger though. 

Any guesses what position suites him best long term?

33 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I think you are misinterpreting what I am saying. I am just not sure what you expect the Eagles and the League to condemn.  

It’s a tough situation for the Eagles.  His initial statement was basically standing up for DeSean and he admitted DeSean made a mistake.  It’s the rant that came afterwards and specifically tagging the Eagles ...that’s what’s troublesome. 

30 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

They should condemn Malik Jackson's praise of a bigot. It's that simple.

Unless I missed something, Malik did not stand up for a bigot in his post. (Unless you’re referring to DeSean...and no, DeSean is not a bigot) If anything, he was saying DeSean made a mistake.

The rant that came after and him tagging the team could result in a response from the team.  
 

That said, I’d be surprised if there wasn’t a serious conversation going on (behind the scenes) between the Eagles and his camp.
 

 

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Any guesses what position suites him best long term?

My guess would be guard, presumably as Seumalo's replacement after he moves inside to center. But like Seumalo, I think he's someone who could project at any of the five positions, although obviously left tackle would be a bit of a stretch. 

4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Any guesses what position suites him best long term?

T. Herremans 

1 minute ago, Giddyunc said:

Earned? Perhaps. Justified? Absolutely not. Hating someone because of their skin color is objectively wrong. 

Which is why I said earned.

BTW I am still cogitating on your post about Chomsky. The one thing that keeps grabbing at me is that Chomsky distinguishes between antisemitism and antizionism but he never ever defines antisemitism except to say it’s not this or it’s not that. Pinning him down on what it is is like pinning down a drop of mercury.

8 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Any guesses what position suites him best long term?

I'm sticking with C.  

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What a doooooosh 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-rajon-rondo-posts-photo-bashing-hotel-room-in-orlando-bubble/amp/

What a whiny ****. I’ve about had it with these entitled brats and all of a-holes enabling them. 
 

I wasn’t allowed to do my job for 3 months and got d’ed on unemployment and I’m thrilled to be able to work again despite it being in a very "high risk” environment. 
 

It’s just getting harder and harder to relate to so many people. Oh well 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It’s a tough situation for the Eagles.  His initial statement was basically standing up for DeSean and he admitted DeSean made a mistake.  It’s the rant that came afterwards and specifically tagging the Eagles ...that’s what’s troublesome. 

Unless I missed something, Malik did not stand up for a bigot in his post. (Unless you’re referring to DeSean...and no, DeSean is not a bigot) If anything, he was saying DeSean made a mistake.

The rant that came after and him tagging the team could result in a response from the team.  
 

That said, I’d be surprised if there wasn’t a serious conversation going on (behind the scenes) between the Eagles and his camp.
 

 

He said Farrahkan is honorable and speaks the truth. Am I in some alternate reality where reasonable people think Farrahkan isn't a hate monger? 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Maybe they can STFU and deal with it.  Or opt out and go home.   

Everyone knows it not a Motel 6,  there fella.   

Maybe he should put his grievance on the back of his jersey 

5 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

What a whiny ****. I’ve about had it with these entitled brats and all of a-holes enabling them. 
 

I wasn’t allowed to do my job for 3 months and got d’ed on unemployment and I’m thrilled to be able to work again despite it being in a very "high risk” environment. 
 

It’s just getting harder and harder to relate to so many people. Oh well 

Far too many of these athletes would be using the phrase "Do you want fries with that" if it weren't for Americas obsession with professional sports.

8 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Which is why I said earned.

BTW I am still cogitating on your post about Chomsky. The one thing that keeps grabbing at me is that Chomsky distinguishes between antisemitism and antizionism but he never ever defines antisemitism except to say it’s not this or it’s not that. Pinning him down on what it is is like pinning down a drop of mercury.

It's impossible to know without getting inside of his head, but in my opinion it's that lack of specificity that allows him to spew anti-Semitism while claiming it's anti-Zionism

He has Brown ahead of Etienne. 

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

There’s an old joke about a NSDAP rally in Nuremberg where Hitler is screaming, "Who causes all of Germany’s problems?” An old man in the crowd shouts back, "The bicycle riders.” Hitler’s taken by surprise and asks, "Why the bicycle riders?” To which the old man replies, "Why the Jews?” 

This goes back to the origins of the Catholic Church, much like Muhammad, they took the Jewish rejection of Jesus (or Muhammad as Prophet) as an attack on the legitimacy of the new faith. The Church had an almost two millennium campaign against the Jews, depending on the Pope at the time. And many Protestants, like Luther, doubled down (but not John Calvin).

A second factor was that in Europe in the Middle Ages, usury was a sin, so only the Jews could lend money, and no one likes the debt collector. They were also used as tax collectors in many countries. Jews were associated with commerce, because like the Venetians and a few other groups, they were able to conduct long distance commerce through family connections in a time when you couldn't rely on VISA or bank clearing houses. So now the Jews were money lenders and merchants in the mind of the Christian. When the Christians realized how much money could be made from banking, lending with interest stopped being a sin. While Jews are associated with the great banking houses such as the Rothchilds and later Goldman and Lehman, somehow bankers like the Medicis, Fuggers, later the Morgans, et al, never had the same stigma. In a similar fashion, Jews are associated with tight business dealings, but not the Dutch and English, who had far more economic power (East India Company, etc.). This is where religious prejudice combines with a grain of fact.

The underlying prejudice supported by the Church led to crazy rumors that people believed, Jews using the blood of Christian children to make Matzos for Passover, Jews poisoning the wells during the Black Death, and so on. Isolating the Jews in Ghettos, walled off Jewish quarters, also encouraged prejudice of the "unknown." But these motifs had become part of Western culture, Shakespeare had probably never met a Jew when he wrote the "Merchant of Venice" because they had been expelled from England centuries before - but Shylock is a walking stereotype (though Shakespeare gives him the best lines).

E.M. Rose - The Murder of William of Norwich; The Origins of the Blood Libel in Medieval Europe - Oxford 2015

When Napoleon freed the Jews from the Ghettos around Europe, the Jews, as an urban people (because in most places they couldn't own land, still trying to figure out how my grandfather ended up as a Kulak (gentleman farmer) in the northern Ukraine before he fled the Red Army) were well positioned for the industrial revolution, both in Europe and America. And their cultural emphasis on education gave them a head start in this new world, which probably explains why there are so many Jewish Nobel Prize winners, writers, etc. But this also made them the lightning rod for discontent with the changes wrote by the Industrial Revolution, and more recently, Globalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism

Robert Chazan - From Anti-Judaism to Anti-Semitism; Ancient and Medieval Christian Constructions of Jewish History - Cambridge 2016

James Carroll - Constantine's Sword: The Church and the Jews, A History - Houghton-Mifflin 2002

Marvin Perry and Federick Schweitzer - Anti-Semitism:  Myth and Hate From Antiquity to the Present - Palgrave 2002

 

Informative.  I would also suggest that some understanding of some of the relationships between Jews and POC can be garnered by studying post WWI and WWII urbanization. In many cities, as the Jewish neighborhoods moved, the blacks moved into those neighborhoods.  Look at the riots in Detroit and Harlem in the 1930s and 1940s. Study the conflicts in those neighborhoods and the oppression experienced by POC.  Study Sufi Abdul Hamid and the Harlem mosque and even Adam Clayton Powell.  Those may also help people understand Farrakhan. Study the German-American Bund and Fitz Kuhn, including the Madison Square Garden convention in 1939.  That page that Desean posted looks straight out of what Kuhn said.   To understand and fight prejudice, it helps to know the roots.  

14 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

What a whiny ****. I’ve about had it with these entitled brats and all of a-holes enabling them. 
 

I wasn’t allowed to do my job for 3 months and got d’ed on unemployment and I’m thrilled to be able to work again despite it being in a very "high risk” environment. 
 

It’s just getting harder and harder to relate to so many people. Oh well 

Some of these guys are just so used to being in their element all these years whether it's world-class training facilities, personal trainers, personal chefs, etc that when they're thrown out of it like they are now it's a culture shock and brings them back down to human level. I think it's kind of funny seeing some of these guys "rough it out" and what their reaction is. It just goes to show how far removed they are from what regular people consider normal life. 

15 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

He said Farrahkan is honorable and speaks the truth. Am I in some alternate reality where reasonable people think Farrahkan isn't a hate monger? 

I totally missed that part.  Yeah, that may change things. Can you post where he said that? 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

He has Brown ahead of Etienne. 

Once upon a time, PSU was as much a RB factory as it was a LB factory.   Franco Harris, Curt Warner, Larry Johnson, Lenny Moore... and now Saquan and Boobie.   Ultimately, the disappointment of Blair Thomas and Curtis Enis was just a blip.  Kijana Carter never lived up to the hype of being #1 overall, but I blame that nasty knee injury, I think he was poised to be a great back.   But, unfortunately for him, he was drafted by the Bengals and was caught up in that bad ju-ju.