5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Informative.  I would also suggest that some understanding of some of the relationships between Jews and POC can be garnered by studying post WWI and WWII urbanization. In many cities, as the Jewish neighborhoods moved, the blacks moved into those neighborhoods.  Look at the riots in Detroit and Harlem in the 1930s and 1940s. Study the conflicts in those neighborhoods and the oppression experienced by POC.  Study Sufi Abdul Hamid and the Harlem mosque and even Adam Clayton Powell.  Those may also help people understand Farrakhan. Study the German-American Bund and Fitz Kuhn, including the Madison Square Garden convention in 1939.  That page that Desean posted looks straight out of what Kuhn said.   To understand and fight prejudice, it helps to know the roots.  

What needs to be understood about Farrahkan?

14 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

He said Farrahkan is honorable and speaks the truth. Am I in some alternate reality where reasonable people think Farrahkan isn't a hate monger? 

No one said that Farrakhan isn’t prejudiced and preaches that prejudice. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Once upon a time, PSU was as much a RB factory as it was a LB factory.   Franco Harris, Curt Warner, Larry Johnson, Lenny Moore... and now Saquan and Boobie.   Ultimately, the disappointment of Blair Thomas and Curtis Enis was just a blip.  Kijana Carter never lived up to the hype of being #1 overall, but I blame that nasty knee injury, I think he was poised to be a great back.   But, unfortunately for him, he was drafted by the Bengals and was caught up in that bad ju-ju.  

I thought at the time that Carter was going to be another OJ Simpson. 

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I thought at the time that Carter was going to be another OJ Simpson. 

A murderer?

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I thought at the time that Carter was going to be another OJ Simpson. 

I never watched OJ at the time, but I was sure that Carter was going to make people forget about that loser in Dallas.   Smith got a lot of yards, but I think he got them mostly due to his OL.  There wasn't a whole lot 'special' about him.  He had an outstanding OL to work with and I think that made Smith more than Smith made them.  And along that line, I always wondered what would have happened if Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders had been drafted by the opposite teams.   Would Barry have put up numbers that no one would ever dream of touching?   Would Smith have become just another disappointing first round RB, like Rashaan Salaam or even Blair Thomas?  

9 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

What needs to be understood about Farrahkan?

The prejudices he speaks to did not originate with him.  It goes deeper than that. He may be a product of his environment. 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The prejudices he speaks to did not originate with him.  It goes deeper than that. He may be a product of his environment. 

So would you say the same when discussing David Duke? 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The prejudices he speaks to did not originate with him.  It goes deeper than that. He may be a product of his environment. 

I absolutely agree. However, you seem to walking a mental tightrope, with "understanding" on one side and "justification" on the other. Would this same mental exercise be appropriate for understanding Hitler? 

14 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

A murderer?

Allegedly. 

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

There’s more on his Instagram. One person said great you are going to get paid 11 million again and play 1 game in those two years. His response "🤷‍♂️😏” 

 

Thought that was pretty bold of him. Contracts should have social media clauses in them

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

That would be an increase in attendance for them.

 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Second highest new cases and second highest new deaths today, hospitals maxing out and activating emergency plans, nothing closed and nothing really being done to stop it...

Yea, I'll believe it when I see it.

Wow.   I didn't realize the level of detail that goes into what you can bet on these days.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2020/07/10/ukrainian-table-tennis-betting-halted-new-jersey/5412300002/

Ukranian table tennis may never be the same after this scandal!

46 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

So would you say the same when discussing David Duke? 

 

44 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

I absolutely agree. However, you seem to walking a mental tightrope, with "understanding" on one side and "justification" on the other. Would this same mental exercise be appropriate for understanding Hitler? 

Actually, yes, that's exactly what historians do, try to understand people in the context of their times and culture.

People who do good biographies of Hitler don't go into it with the intent of painting him as the Devil Incarnate, they want to understand who he was and how he became a monster.

Understanding someone does not imply approval, it merely reflects the complexity of life, which requires a nuanced approach to both people you idolized and people you detest. One problem I had with the first volume of Caro's work on LBJ is it was obvious he had carried into the work prejudices from his younger days, trying to contrast the "Noble" Coke Stevenson (who had to be an idiot not to know his campaign people were stealing votes in East Texas) v the crude and corrupt LBJ. Later Caro found more even ground.

The worst biographies are hagiographic, example Schlesinger and Kennedy. His trilogy on the New Deal is much better.

https://www.wnyc.org/story/206629-arthur-schlesinger-jr/

"His thought had stopped, he admitted in old age, half a century before — around 1946, the year when, at 29, he had won a Pulitzer for his book on Andrew Jackson and had been made a professor of history at Harvard. He had no particular need to revise his thinking after that, because the shape of American history was now clear to him. It moved in cycles. In some ages — the 1880s, the 1920s, the 1950s, the 1980s — men's motivations were nothing but their own comfort and profit. But after sating themselves on selfishness and letting plutocrats run things for a while, Americans would recover their true virtue and passion, and work for the good of society and their country."

 

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Second highest new cases and second highest new deaths today, hospitals maxing out and activating emergency plans, nothing closed and nothing really being done to stop it...

Yea, I'll believe it when I see it.

I have to say this is the part that I find almost beyond belief.

My wife and I do courier food delivery when we have spare time.  I live in a city of 975,000 people where there have been a total of 20 deaths from COVID-19 since the start of this year.  Nonetheless, I've observed over the past month that 82% of establishments I've visited are open for takeout or drive-thru only (no dine-in), and in 88% of these visits every employee in the establishment has been wearing face masks.  I'm in my 50s and want no part of contracting COVID-19, so I wear a mask whenever I'll be any place where I can't social distance.

When we go out in public such as to the grocery store, hardware store, etc. I'd say conservatively about 60% of the customers wear masks; I'm pretty sure just about every employee in the service sector here wears a mask -- although I've paid less attention to that -- it does seem to be the normal.  I do remember walking into a hotel lobby on Wednesday, and the front desk agent was wearing a face mask.

 I watched an interview last night with a nurse in Arizona who said what people need to understand is they are STILL treating patients who contracted the virus 3 months ago and more -- she said their lungs have basically turned into scar tissue and they will be on some sort of breathing device permanently -- and some of these patients are not old.  Truly harrowing stuff. 

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

I would suggest that the racism directed by blacks against whites was, like EF Hutton’s reputation, fully earned.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I have to say this is the part that I find almost beyond belief.

My wife and I do courier food delivery when we have spare time.  I live in a city of 975,000 people where there have been a total of 20 deaths from COVID-19 since the start of this year.  Nonetheless, I've observed over the past month that 82% of establishments I've visited are open for takeout or drive-thru only (no dine-in), and in 88% of these visits every employee in the establishment has been wearing face masks.  I'm in my 50s and want no part of contracting COVID-19, so I wear a mask whenever I'll be any place where I can't social distance.

When we go out in public such as to the grocery store, hardware store, etc. I'd say conservatively about 60% of the customers wear masks; I'm pretty sure just about every employee in the service sector here wears a mask -- although I've paid less attention to that -- it does seem to be the normal.  I do remember walking into a hotel lobby on Wednesday, and the front desk agent was wearing a face mask.

 I watched an interview last night with a nurse in Arizona who said what people need to understand is they are STILL treating patients who contracted the virus 3 months ago and more -- she said their lungs have basically turned into scar tissue and they will be on some sort of breathing device permanently -- and some of these patients are not old.  Truly harrowing stuff. 

that's the scariest part to me. 

14 minutes ago, austinfan said:

 

Actually, yes, that's exactly what historians do, try to understand people in the context of their times and culture.

People who do good biographies of Hitler don't go into it with the intent of painting him as the Devil Incarnate, they want to understand who he was and how he became a monster.

Understanding someone does not imply approval, it merely reflects the complexity of life, which requires a nuanced approach to both people you idolized and people you detest. One problem I had with the first volume of Caro's work on LBJ is it was obvious he had carried into the work prejudices from his younger days, trying to contrast the "Noble" Coke Stevenson (who had to be an idiot not to know his campaign people were stealing votes in East Texas) v the crude and corrupt LBJ. Later Caro found more even ground.

The worst biographies are hagiographic, example Schlesinger and Kennedy. His trilogy on the New Deal is much better.

https://www.wnyc.org/story/206629-arthur-schlesinger-jr/

"His thought had stopped, he admitted in old age, half a century before — around 1946, the year when, at 29, he had won a Pulitzer for his book on Andrew Jackson and had been made a professor of history at Harvard. He had no particular need to revise his thinking after that, because the shape of American history was now clear to him. It moved in cycles. In some ages — the 1880s, the 1920s, the 1950s, the 1980s — men's motivations were nothing but their own comfort and profit. But after sating themselves on selfishness and letting plutocrats run things for a while, Americans would recover their true virtue and passion, and work for the good of society and their country."

 

There is a subtle, yet significant distinction between understanding an individual through a historical lens and imploring others to dive into the historical events as a form of justification. 

Sympathy vs Empathy

I can’t imagine there being any other answer than Reagor. 

 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I can’t imagine there being any other answer than Reagor. 

Excited about or most optimistic about?    

I am excited about Reagor, because he does in fact seem like the perfect piece to add that was missing from the offense last year.  That said, I am very optimistic about Wallace, Driscoll and Prince.   

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I wouldn't be excited about a Rookie WR who didn't have a OTA's and will have a shortened camp, if at all.  If we got Cee Dee Lamb, it'd be a different story.  But Reagor is just meh to me.....I'll stick with that until I am proven wrong.  Of which I will own.  

I don’t really expect that much of any of the rookies this year. Reagor can run in a straight line pretty fast. That in and of itself is important to the team. 

14 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

There is a subtle, yet significant distinction between understanding an individual through a historical lens and imploring others to dive into the historical events as a form of justification. 

Sympathy vs Empathy

Empathy includes trying to understand not just jewish communities pain and/or outrage but also attempting to understand desean and his view.