9 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well they knew that going in and were ok with it because they GOT their franchise QB,so I see no reason to panic over a draft pick. They can trade another player or other picks to move around if they are really SET on someone,but this class coming isn't worth that effort even. Compared to last draft most round 1 guys would have gone in 2,3 last year. With few exception,this is a BAD draft,so maybe they figured that into the trade deal??? Would not surprise me(knowing it was a lackluster class to choose from). So I don't feel they are fretting over it,nor planning for it.If they really ARE, they can tank the last 4 games,it's easy to do lol. Despite what Joe says drafting, scouting and mocking start the day after the SB and I'm sure they saw what I did,a very WEAK class. I guess we will see,but I can't see Wentz NOT playing.You know he wants to play all year. So we'll see who is right. They would have to be totally OUT of a wild card spot to even consider pulling Wentz. So Tenn with the division,but they would still have a WC shot,so until that goes away,I don;t see them taking Wentz out even if they can't win the division

I’m assuming you are just talking QBs. Because last year’s class was very unknown because of the pandemic. This year going to have a better read on guys.

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Dude.... pay attention,  if the Colts are out of the playoff race....that is pick 10-15..... there is a HUGE difference between that and a pick in the 40s.   

Think the Colts and us have the same record. So that’s a top ten looking pick…in one of the rounds.

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Think the Colts and us have the same record. So that’s a top ten looking pick…in one of the rounds.

Correct... that's what I said " pick 10-15 and the 40s"  10th pick in round 2 is 42. 

I cannot worry about what pick we get from Indy now. Heck, Wentz could get hurt Sunday so all would be a non factor. May as well just wait and see... I am more worried about someone other than Siri making play calls so we can get a better idea of what Hurts can do...... 

14 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m assuming you are just talking QBs. Because last year’s class was very unknown because of the pandemic. This year going to have a better read on guys.

Nah alot were seniors,you had film from previous years and could easily see if they were "as good" better,or worse taking in their entire body of work

11 minutes ago, stine said:

I cannot worry about what pick we get from Indy now. Heck, Wentz could get hurt Sunday so all would be a non factor. May as well just wait and see... I am more worried about someone other than Siri making play calls so we can get a better idea of what Hurts can do...... 

IDK the play calls are simple and he can't execute them. Like when you are in grade school,if you cannot do subtraction,there is no way you are going to learn division. I hate the college RPO offense. Much rather go back to "normal" using PLAY ACTION. RPO only means your O line has no clue what to do. They pass block,count to 5,then head downfield because by then the pass play has turned into a running play.With play action your O line has opened holes and established a running game,then you can go to play action. But we fail to establish the run,so back to the college offense. it's terrible,it's simple and it's predictable

15 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I disagree.... they would actually need to win 3 games...   we need just 1.   We play the Jets too.    

Bad team,but in my view they have a slightly better QB. Needs better weapons. They will figure out enough to win a few games

20 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Not really dude....that's been my point.  They go 3 and 3 with one of those losses being Tennessee... that puts them at 5-7.   Could easily put them in a situation that winning out and going 10-7 still doesn't get them in.   That is the week.... week 13 that would get the 75% snaps.   He won't get benched before then, no reason to.   But if it looks very very slim, I'm sure they will. Would be dumb not to.

10-7 should be good enough for a wild card I would think. Some teams outright win their division at 9-9. I don't recall GB pulling Rodgers out regardless of their record, unless it's week 15

The Colts are averaging 71.5 offensive snaps per game, a pace for 1,216 over 17 games. That means Wentz can only play 911 snaps this season — 75% — for the Colts to keep their first-round pick. He’s already played 138. So Wentz needs to miss a little more than 4 of the Colts’ final 15 games to ensure the compensation is a second-rounder.            So,if they continue at the same rate, Wentz would basically need to be pulled at halftime of week TEN,or the third 1/4 at the latest. If this pace continues week 12 would be too late for them.So,we shall see how it goes

SO,in essence the Colts would have to "thrown in the towel" just a little bit past the 1/2 way mark I don't see this happening(week 10/17). Now, Wentz COULD get hurt and we know that is a possible reality, but they would have to give up on their season at week 11 at the latest.Of course it Wentz went down,they would have no choice,but if Wentz can play,I don't see him being pulled..

How to beat the RPO offense with a lackluster QB 1) pressure him every snap. Sack or disrupt his timing  2) Seal the ends  Now he cannot run OR pass except on the run and you need a very good QB who could do that consistently and/or you'd need a QB who can flash through his reads,make a decision and let it fly with timing and precision(a guy like Mahomes). but even with Mahomes we have seen defenses shut him down using the same 2 tactics(and good secondary coverages which is another thing that eludes us) I took jackson in one fantasy league,they are doing this to him also and he is terrible now. he's playing like Jameis Winston(hot/cold)

2 hours ago, stine said:

am more worried about someone other than Siri making play calls so we can get a better idea of what Hurts can do...... 

We have a sense of what Hurts can do he can hit the short stuff fairly accurate he can run and he is inconsistent at best on intermediate and deep stuff… He panics bit to quickly in the pocket doesn’t work it great but that is a young mobile QB for you will learn. 
 

Sorry I can’t blame playcalling when I see numerous times a game Hurts missing WIDE OPEN guys 

 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The Colts are averaging 71.5 offensive snaps per game, a pace for 1,216 over 17 games. That means Wentz can only play 911 snaps this season — 75% — for the Colts to keep their first-round pick. He’s already played 138. So Wentz needs to miss a little more than 4 of the Colts’ final 15 games to ensure the compensation is a second-rounder.            So,if they continue at the same rate, Wentz would basically need to be pulled at halftime of week TEN,or the third 1/4 at the latest. If this pace continues week 12 would be too late for them.So,we shall see how it goes

This doesn’t seem right week 10…

71.5*10 games is 715/1216=59%

71.5*12 games=858/1216=71%(Colts have to make playoffs for us to get the first)

71.5*13 games=930/1216=76%( which is the game I predicted) 

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The Colts are averaging 71.5 offensive snaps per game, a pace for 1,216 over 17 games. That means Wentz can only play 911 snaps this season — 75% — for the Colts to keep their first-round pick. He’s already played 138. So Wentz needs to miss a little more than 4 of the Colts’ final 15 games to ensure the compensation is a second-rounder.            So,if they continue at the same rate, Wentz would basically need to be pulled at halftime of week TEN,or the third 1/4 at the latest. If this pace continues week 12 would be too late for them.So,we shall see how it goes

  Wentz has thrown the ball 193 times this year. How did they get the 138 number? 

5 minutes ago, stine said:

  Wentz has thrown the ball 193 times this year. How did they get the 138 number? 

Pretty sure reading that quote it’s based off only the first two games it says he would need to miss little over 4 of the final 15 games 

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

We have a sense of what Hurts can do he can hit the short stuff fairly accurate he can run and he is inconsistent at best on intermediate and deep stuff… He panics bit to quickly in the pocket doesn’t work it great but that is a young mobile QB for you will learn. 
 

Sorry I can’t blame playcalling when I see numerous times a game Hurts missing WIDE OPEN guys 

 

  No doubt he is missing open Receivers. But he is also making nice throws too. PRoblem is he is not getting enough time because the defense knows hw is going to throw the ball. Call some run plays and mix in some play action. Designed sweeps. Then see what he does. Maybe he plays worse. Maybe he progresses. I just want an honest opinion on him by year's end. I doubt anyone can do that with the play calling he has gotten so far...

37 minutes ago, stine said:

just want an honest opinion on him by year's end. I doubt anyone can do that with the play calling he has gotten so far...

I see the play calling as just an excuse to not judge Hurts based on the things he can control completely… The OL isn’t crumbling around hum he holds the ball to log at times and he doesn’t work the pocket but again I do see that as a young mobile QB needing to learn. 
Lack of running Hurts has control over this we run a lot of RPOs hurts has the power to hand off and lots of times opts not to that sways the rushing we can say we want more traditional runs sure but Siri is giving control to his QB… 
 

Then him throwing the consistency isn’t there that has zero to do with Siri play calling if a guy is wide open and Hurts just isn’t hitting them how is that a play call issue. We want to work the short stuff and that fine in my eyes but until Hurts can start completely the intermediate and deep stuff with some form of consistency we will continue to struggle as an offense. 
 

I’ve said it numerous of times for this offense to work it will rely on Hurts being able to hit the intermediate/deep stuff with consistency and likely finding a way to work the middle of the field which he avoids. 

1 hour ago, stine said:

  Wentz has thrown the ball 193 times this year. How did they get the 138 number? 

Yeah I believe reading this it had to be after week 2, because because it says "15 remaining" games(15 of a 17 game season) So if his snap count is higher than 71.5,then that means the week he would need pulled is still sooner than week 12

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2021/10/carson-wentz-snap-count-update.html   Currently at 98% snap count rate. Basically he would have to be seriously injured at this point OR they give up on their season altogether in week 8/9(if my calcs are correct). Like I said, they got their franchise QB and I don;t think Isray is losing sleep over a draft pick

1 hour ago, stine said:

mix in some play action

No NO see,you don't understand the RPO is being run IN PLACE of play action,and for me that is the problem. Colleges run the RPO when they understand they DONT have a pocket passing QB. It's a way for them to compete,but it's very tough to do this in the pro ranks

So, you have guys like Mahomes and Jackson(both struggling at the moment), but they have designed running plays, so although they can RUN,they are NOT running an RPO offense,they are using PLAY ACTION. If inexperienced Siri, is letting his inexperienced QB control the offense, with inexperienced WR's, then we have bigger issues than we thought

1 hour ago, stine said:

But he is also making nice throws too

Another issue.yeah he is making nice throws at times because that is his first(and only) read, so far what I am seeing is he can't hit his secondary read,if he even has one. IDK why we employ/pay RB's at all. If these guys(RB's) stay in Philly, they can play until they are 45

 https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-mock-draft-kayvon-thibodeaux-first-overall-detroit-lions?utm_source=benchmarkone&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=October_21_2021   FWIW. be nice,but I don't see Howie taking a CB first-JMO. I think he would go with Evan Neal(my first pick). Also has us taking Olave,which I also suggested, although I doubt he lasts as long as they thinnk eh will

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I see the play calling as just an excuse to not judge Hurts based on the things he can control completely… The OL isn’t crumbling around hum he holds the ball to log at times and he doesn’t work the pocket but again I do see that as a young mobile QB needing to learn. 
Lack of running Hurts has control over this we run a lot of RPOs hurts has the power to hand off and lots of times opts not to that sways the rushing we can say we want more traditional runs sure but Siri is giving control to his QB… 
 

Then him throwing the consistency isn’t there that has zero to do with Siri play calling if a guy is wide open and Hurts just isn’t hitting them how is that a play call issue. We want to work the short stuff and that fine in my eyes but until Hurts can start completely the intermediate and deep stuff with some form of consistency we will continue to struggle as an offense. 
 

I’ve said it numerous of times for this offense to work it will rely on Hurts being able to hit the intermediate/deep stuff with consistency and likely finding a way to work the middle of the field which he avoids. 

The lack of RB help is completely alarming. If you want to blame the QB for everything then just call a traditional running play from the playbook. Sanders has been so underutilized it’s criminal. If you can’t see that Siri is doing a horrible job I wouldn’t know what to tell you. If he’s being forced to put the whole offense on Hurts from the FO is a whole other story. But the playcalling is that bad that you have to actually think the FO is forcing a quick decision so they can possibly pull the trigger on a Watson trade. Dickerson hasn’t been good. He’s huge yet somehow getting lifted right out if there. Lane hasn’t been good this year. Mailata got owned twice in a row by Reddick on the right side. He had his struggles returning from injury perhaps a bit early. Any QB needs assistance from his RB. That’s just any basic offensively philosophy. You can try and blame the QB for not handing off on RPOs enough. But these coaches don’t know much about running RPOs….and it’s showing. It also appears defenses have keyed in on formation plays. So the defense knows how to play us. Very little motion to confuse a defense or give the QB a read. This offense is just too basic. An inexperienced playcaller with no innovation! 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No NO see,you don't understand the RPO is being run IN PLACE of play action,and for me that is the problem. Colleges run the RPO when they understand they DONT have a pocket passing QB. It's a way for them to compete,but it's very tough to do this in the pro ranks

The RPO leaves a man unblocked to ‘read.’ It can be run at any level of football. Our coaches don’t know much about it though. So we are running the most obvious simplistic version.  Playaction is still in the playbook though. So it’s still available. You actually have to hand off to the RB you’d think for anyone to actually bite on the run fake though. Which nobody would. So faking a handoff is just extra time where the QB doesn’t have his eyes up reading a D.