Lord imagine the propaganda machine in Iran for a decade if they beat the infedels.

We had to win to advance. Tournament right in Middle East for  Iran also. They were setup with a tie gave them the victory. In the desert heat. Whole world hates us. 

Tied England so that can’t talk smack either. Really the best our team could do there. 

I skipped the run stopping DT options in the draft. They were there. But feels too after the fact now. Trade up for one early then taking another seems very unlikely. Clearly what we needed. But too much hindsight looking now to have expected that done then.

I just wanted this team to be given every chance. Want Siri to grow his roots with a corps to last for a long time. Feel we’ve done that plenty even still. Good young guys we are developing together. 

Whatever, I’m alone fairly often on my opinions here.

Just seems usually most come around eventually. Thought these trade thoughts would really be rethought now. Stakes getting big this season. 

I know we won the trade on paper. Added a second round future pick

Found a team that wasn’t as good as they expected they would be also.

Really felt initial momentum for the trade was QB related. That we needed that ammo for a qB pick. That I was hearing a bunch about it being a strong QB class.

QB situation working out like I was seeing now though…no thoughts changing?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I jumped and celebrated at the trade. My idea you hated was that we needed a vet in that room. You argued endlessly against . Lord

We got him because he's GOOD. The same reason we draft rookies,because they are GOOD. Olave and Smith still would be a nice combo? How much "vet presence" has Olave gotten? Vets not needed, that's why we PAY a coaching staff. Alshon and Djax were "vet presences".How did that turn out? And WHAT in your view are the parameters to become a "vet"? 2 years? 3? &? Define "vet" please. Is Quez a veteran? Pascal?  Did JJ need a vet presence to put up 1800 yards his rookie year?.I think not. Now we can argue the staff has no experience,that's another topic. And you will always have a vet presence in every room unless you draft 53 guys in the same draft. Either you can play or you can't

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Doubt we take any real cap hit doing it until 2028

Tom Brady style 

I wanted no Saints trade. Trade back 19 to like 26. Get a guy there. 
  Also wanted to trade future picks to add maybe a second round extra guy.

  Just so I’m clear on what the question is. Two parts really.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Why I tried to explain at roster cut day. If all things are close…go with youth and inexperience. Then you had a possible future and upside. He can learn and gel with this team long termZ

Think I even was suggesting that at corner before Bradberry.

Kind of a general philosophy of mine.

Wow... such wisdom...you never heard that as a strategy before????

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We got him because he's GOOD. The same reason we draft rookies,because they are GOOD. Olave and Smith still would be a nice combo? How much "vet presence" has Olave gotten? Vets not needed, that's why we PAY a coaching staff. Alshon and Djax were "vet presences".How did that turn out? And WHAT in your view are the parameters to become a "vet"? 2 years? 3? &? Define "vet" please. Is Quez a veteran? Pascal?  Did JJ need a vet presence to put up 1800 yards his rookie year?.I think not. Now we can argue the staff has no experience,that's another topic. And you will always have a vet presence in every room unless you draft 53 guys in the same draft. Either you can play or you can't

Vets have their place I believe. I absolutely think Thielen was instrumental in JJ development. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No way you reprinting my reaction I that trade now. You try this all the time. Go back to that day. Quote me. I was jumping! Not even kind of loved that.

IF you loved the trade so much why do you keep pushing the "we shoulda taken that safety". If that trade didn't happen we probably would have take Olave over Davis(cause you're not getting both)

But AJ hardly vet level. But he I considered vet. He was ahead of most curves.

Alshon got us a Super Bowl. So turned out excellent, right?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I jumped and celebrated at the trade. My idea you hated was that we needed a vet in that room. You argued endlessly against . Lord

There you go...everyone was happy...the rest of us because AJ is a stud, and you because he had one more year experience than Quez Watkins...whatever works. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Or maybe just consider different ideas. Not just one.

Just seemed you were dead set loving trading away this years first fir saints first next year was about the QB position.

It was a possibility not knowing if Hurts would sink or swim AT THAT TIME. If Hurts had failed miserably we could have taken a QB. Howie set us up to do it IF IT BECAME NECESSARY

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Wow... such wisdom...you never heard that as a strategy before????

Don’t think it’s some new created thought by me. But argued against the idea this year. Seemed Tartt or others were wanted for their experience. I was on the side of youth. Don’t really remember you piping in your thoughts on those known vets vs the unknown youth this year. 

But if you already seen the guys ceiling…if it’s not significantly a huge difference between unknowns with potential….then why not go for it? Go for future payoffs with possible good to great outcomes.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seen Kelce as fairly blue collar player really. He’s underrated athlete. But he’s just tough as nails. Won’t be denied. Won’t give up. Want him in your Fox hole.

His gritty personality really fires everybody up

You can be blue collar ..and still be smart.     

The smartest basketball player I've seen was Larry Bird... you could argue very easily that he was the most blue collar player too.  

They are two separate things.  I also believe Kelce has both... in spades.  Very intelligent player.    I also believe the same for Dawkins.  Very intelligent player. Probably his most overlooked quality.

Sometimes you get stuck developing guys like Wallace however. If you wrong and they bust.