8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

A bit of hindsight now. Because you just don’t know at the time whom would fall. I’m not against the Davis pick….but wasn’t my first ideas. Clearly Gannon needed a Nose more than arguably anything else to effectively run his D. So trading up for Davis has to stand. I really liked how Hurts saved us by getting AJ. So I agree with that trade. Using all the picks we did….just adjust for not making the Saints trade. Now all summer everybody knew Rosie was trading away one of those three first round picks. Can say because three guys coming up on after rookie contract timing or whatever reasoning….it’s Rosie….all the reason we all needed. It was happening. He can’t help himself. Now my whole point of view on trading one away for a future first was finding the right trade partner. All the teams that you’d expect to stink would value their 2023 first round picks. Basically hard to find a team to trade what everybody expects is a top ten pick. So the whole goal of finding a trade partner is somebody that believes their better than they actually are. A team that is willing to trade for now believing they are playoff bound expectations….but really will end up at the bottom of the league. That was Rosie main task this offseason. Finding the sucker. I discussed this all way back in the summer. Saints fit this bill about as good as one could hope. Lost their coach and QB recently. Many had them winning the division still though. Saints bit. Not sure what team would fit these parameters better? Rams didn’t have a 2023 first I don’t even think. Plus their demise has been very shocking. Extremely tough to bet on like this anyway. So if you have to trade away one of the three first round picks….think Rosie found as best a sucker as he could. Exactly what we needed to make the deal. So hats off to him for finding that team. Lions weren’t going to give away their first. It had to be a team like Saints. Believed they could win division….but fooling themselves. 

So list who you would have taken without the Saints trade

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I really liked how Hurts saved us by getting AJ

LMFAO

20 minutes ago, stine said:

If that Saints pick becomes a #5 or better, I am certain we will end up with more picks. I highly doubt we stay at 5 if we can gain another pick or two in the first two rounds.... But a potential All Start player on the D-Line would go a long way too....

 

I like both DL guys from Clemson at the moment. If we get to 4,we could move back to 5-6 and still get Murphy(edge). If It ends up being like pick 9/10 then I would stand and take Bresee (DT) to pair with Davis And late 1, my choice as of now would be Antonio Johnson (S)

51 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Math...numbers don't lie ...no spin when you look at the actual picks that were traded

Fairly even trade by value charts. Everything rested on the Saints believing they could win their division and were playoff bound…..while actually sucking. The main win in the deal for us would be if their 2023 first round pick ended up being a high pick. If it ends up at 19 or later we lose the trade numbers wise. We still gain a third by them moving up from 18 to 16. That’s the price for that trade always. So by moving back you gain draft ammo. We helped the cowboys the year before doing the same. Gave them a third rounder to move back and get Parsons. Really tough to think on. That we paid them a third to get arguably the best defensive player. But we moved back originally before that already. So we had gained picks and giving that third still left us in the plus column on paper…in the Draft Wars. Got our guy, Smitty. Had to trade up as we all believe Smitty would have been gone. To our rival Giants at that. So stopped the Giants by hooking up the Cowboys. Very complex situation. Could go round and round about how wise that all was. Smitty looks good. But Parsons looks incredibly elite. The fact we have cowboys a third to move back and still take the same guy they wanted, to me, says cowboys clearly won that situation. Wasn’t all bad for us. Giving a third for them to take Parsons still leaves a terrible taste in my mouth. Parsons was the pick. In fact, if we don’t do the original trade back and just took Parsons at what? six…..would have been the best move. Winning the Draft Wars isn’t always the way to go. Getting the best players is. Just taking Parsons originally was the best call. We couldn’t get Pitts or Chase. Rosie foresaw that well. Moved accordingly. Back and then forward for Smitty. He accomplished his goal. So great wheeling and dealing winning on paper to get his guy. But just not even arguable already that why wasn’t Parsons the guy? Forced pass catching need over elite franchise changing pass rusher. Huge mistake! 

19 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I discussed this all way back in the summer

LMAO

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So list who you would have taken without the Saints trade

LMFAO

BTW there is an article out where a GM from the NFC said Hurts is hindering AJ's production and I'm not going to re-hash how Hurts did NOT get AJ here. You need to give it up on that-Fake news

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

From a pick 'em standpoint its alot easier to come up with one guy than it was with 3(at the time). So still awaiting Hams list of picks he "would have made" thru round 4. I have 2 pikced out at this point,no matter of it's pick 5 or 10. Both are D linemen (edge and a DT to pair with Davis) Both are also from Clemson lol

I favored trading back 19 to let’s say 26 for Dax Hill.  A 4.3 forty S. Other quality S option right there also. Watson and Pickens I was very high on though. On either WR also I’m forgetting now. Both WR there were reasons to believe wouldn’t come out of the gates elite week one. But couldn’t see their floors being lower that quality NFL WR. Ceilings being very high. DE Karlaftis I believe was highest player on my Big Board BPA wise. Linderbaum was the No brainer C pick. His floor was practically starting NFL C. Ceiling All Pro. Breece Hall at RB. As the most dominant rushing team I could easily see how having a top runner added to that room would really keep us dominant there. Sanders contract year made the price easier to digest. Sanders and Hall rushing would be a tandem to terrorize the league behind our excellent run blocking Oline.

  Now I get one with our 19th pick. Trade back to add a third…or whatever to get that guy. Now I was greedy and wanted to actually trade further picks to get another…maybe to get another early second round pick just by giving up future draft picks(maybe a player Dillard). So really I wanted two more choices in this area. My thoughts were new team and scheme, let’s load up on youth that we can develop and gel for a long time to build from.

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO

You can go back and look. You were there and a part of the discussion. We all knew Rosie was going to trade away one if the three. Whole discussions where I clearly stated the goal was this: top teams value their 2023 expected high pick…goal was find the sucker that would end up top ten but believe they were good. This is fact! All laid out long before any trades ever happened. Nothing hindsight here. My plain thoughts after our playoff humiliation.

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

I read that somewhere

I thought it was a simple ankle sprain 

Always heard it referred to as high ankle sprain. Things obviously got tight lipped quickly. So not like official team sources broadcasting this diagnosis. A simple ankle sprain and he probably doesn’t even go on IR. Everybody assumed IR because high ankle was the thought. You know you’re out four weeks at least with high ankle sprain. Simple sprain guys play on. So you wouldn’t automatically assume he’d miss games really. 

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You can go back and look. You were there and a part of the discussion. We all knew Rosie was going to trade away one if the three. Whole discussions where I clearly stated the goal was this: top teams value their 2023 expected high pick…goal was find the sucker that would end up top ten but believe they were good. This is fact! All laid out long before any trades ever happened. Nothing hindsight here. My plain thoughts after our playoff humiliation.

LOL wait,you said you would have kept all 3 round 1's,now the story changes

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I favored trading back 19 to let’s say 26 for Dax Hill.  A 4.3 forty S. Other quality S option right there also. Watson and Pickens I was very high on though. On either WR also I’m forgetting now. Both WR there were reasons to believe wouldn’t come out of the gates elite week one. But couldn’t see their floors being lower that quality NFL WR. Ceilings being very high. DE Karlaftis I believe was highest player on my Big Board BPA wise. Linderbaum was the No brainer C pick. His floor was practically starting NFL C. Ceiling All Pro. Breece Hall at RB. As the most dominant rushing team I could easily see how having a top runner added to that room would really keep us dominant there. Sanders contract year made the price easier to digest. Sanders and Hall rushing would be a tandem to terrorize the league behind our excellent run blocking Oline.

  Now I get one with our 19th pick. Trade back to add a third…or whatever to get that guy. Now I was greedy and wanted to actually trade further picks to get another…maybe to get another early second round pick just by giving up future draft picks(maybe a player Dillard). So really I wanted two more choices in this area. My thoughts were new team and scheme, let’s load up on youth that we can develop and gel for a long time to build from.

https://www.nfl.com/players/dax-hill/stats/career  Dax 2 solo tackles in 10 games. a pure STUD 🤣 OK so we have Dax at 26 who else? Lets go thru round 4 Who ya got?

49 minutes ago, stine said:

If that Saints pick becomes a #5 or better, I am certain we will end up with more picks. I highly doubt we stay at 5 if we can gain another pick or two in the first two rounds.... But a potential All Start player on the D-Line would go a long way too....

 

Can’t get caught trying to always win the Draft Wars. Elite Dline to be had early in this 2023 draft. Goal always still comes down to getting good players. Take the stud! Don’t get too cute. You don’t pass on Aaron Donald to win the Draft Wars on paper. 2021 we were in the same spot. Rosie traded back….then up. He accomplished his goal…and came out with extra picks. But if he just stayed in that high pick and took Parsons….wouldn’t that have actually been the best call? Just take the best D player in the league. Wouldn’t get to be Rosie and wheel and deal. We all assumed he would have taken Smitty with the pick anyway. So he added picks and still took his guy. But the obvious call was pick Parsons. Not getting cute. Not adding picks and value that look great on paper when scoring Rosie winning the Draft Wars.

37 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I like both DL guys from Clemson at the moment. If we get to 4,we could move back to 5-6 and still get Murphy(edge). If It ends up being like pick 9/10 then I would stand and take Bresee (DT) to pair with Davis And late 1, my choice as of now would be Antonio Johnson (S)

Like them. Like Anderson still from Bama. Gotta still love Carter …Davis teammate from Georgia. The guy they benched Davis for on passing downs. Any of those four would just be fantastic to come away with. Not giving any of those guys up to just trade back to win the Draft Wars. Taking the elite Dline. One guy over the several(you’d get with trading back and adding several picks).

32 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

BTW there is an article out where a GM from the NFC said Hurts is hindering AJ's production and I'm not going to re-hash how Hurts did NOT get AJ here. You need to give it up on that-Fake news

I’m not giving up the clear and obvious. We just have to agree to disagree on this point is most likely all we can do.

34 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

BTW there is an article out where a GM from the NFC said Hurts is hindering AJ's production and I'm not going to re-hash how Hurts did NOT get AJ here. You need to give it up on that-Fake news

I’d say clearly Peyton Manning would have AJ’s production higher. But believe injury has been the main holdup for AJ. Recognize that AJ isn’t the only option also. So Goedert has held back AJ also. Smitty too. If you don’t have those guys then AJ is being forced much more. Think Hurts has clearly favored AJ though. He’s had several key drops also. Not too mention the fumbles. But using AJ more is really just a bad idea. Just don’t want to abuse and brutalize his body. At 10-1…..I’m totally fine with minimalizing his hits. 

I’ll also point out the obvious that AJ is on career season statistical pacing. So to say our QB is hindering a guy producing more than he ever has seems like Fake News if I ever heard it. I mean really? He’s having his best season….so Hurts is stunting his performance? How can you explain this with any real logic?

32 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL wait,you said you would have kept all 3 round 1's,now the story changes

Nah, fine with trading up for Davis. Fine trading one away for Hurts boy AJ. But wanted to trade back 19. Just didn’t feel any special about that spot. Felt end of first and start of second was loaded in this draft. So maybe I said I wanted to keep all three referring to Saints trade was all I meant. Didn’t want t trade away a pick just to have to do it.

43 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.nfl.com/players/dax-hill/stats/career  Dax 2 solo tackles in 10 games. a pure STUD 🤣 OK so we have Dax at 26 who else? Lets go thru round 4 Who ya got?

Well they have their All Pro S in front of him. Will be the top FA on the market because they won’t pay him. So not fair to judge everything on these stats. 

But the fact Cincy, a team clearly had a great pulse on S talent chose him is nothing but a plus IMO

I liked Dean so I’ll stick with that pick. Zero production. Not even sniffing the field on D. But not wavering over his early returns.

Tried to actually answer you FL as best I could here

Just had the thoughts the 2022 draft was stocked with talent at end of first beginning of second round level talent. So that was where I wanted to be. At 19…,nothing special. Fists full of 32nd best level players ranking.

Hindsight already I feel proving my point and backing me up. These guys already producing and showing their worth. A bunch of early production from this group.

But I didn’t use easy hindsight for my pick. Please note. Stuck by my opinion with a player been stuck on the bench. Showing how I operate. Not revisiting history. Telling things how I saw them this summer.

Two other S that were options in that exact spot of the draft looking good however. So positional targeting was an option in the trade back scenario. Wasn’t all just for Dax. 

36 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just don’t want to abuse and brutalize his body. At 10-1

So let's go out and spend money on guys we don't play because we don't want them hurt. Excellent,so who do you put on the field? Why get him?

His elite speed at S made Hill worth the higher pick though. Just not getting 4.3 S late.

36 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’ll also point out the obvious that AJ is on career season statistical pacing. So to say our QB is hindering a guy producing more than he ever has seems like Fake News if I ever heard it. I mean really? He’s having his best season….so Hurts is stunting his performance? How can you explain this with any real logic?

IDK ask the guy who wrote the article,or the NFC GM who made the comment. yeah 7 yards in one game is setting the world on fire