4 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

Don't disagree about Horford.  But truth is getting FA to come to Philly has nothing to do with cap mismanagement.   They have drafted well over the past few seasons.  

I’m not saying it’s easy to get guys to come to Philly. It’s definitely harder. However horford was 33 years old, coming off a declining year where he also had a knee injury that was bothering him, the Celtics didn’t even want to pay him the money the sixers gave him and he was a terrible fit because at that stage of his career he wasn’t a good enough stretch four to play alongside embiid. Showed he was declining over the last three years and had a knee injury.

There’s no way around it al Horford at 33 when they paid him $100 million was a massive mistake. They could’ve signed bogdanovic (utah) for less money, better fit,  gotten better production and still went out and gotten another player or two. They wanted to get a fourth star and overpaid for an aging and declining horford (go look at what they tried to do the two offseason. They even said they were Star hunting as they tried to get Lebron the previous offseason. They wanted another star instead of signing role players who fit better). There’s a reason why the first thing morey did when he got he was unload horford’s contract. And a reason why the thunder inactivated him the last 2 months of this past season. 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It don’t mean that much to me to mean that much to you.  You’re insignificant.  

It’s alright. I still won, works for me.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I guess this is why it seems like everything comes in spurts

Nick might not be the coach to win us a super bowl, but definitely seems like the coach we need right now. 

1 minute ago, Damanick10 said:

I don't know why you guys defend Reagor so much... he barely did anything last year. He quit on his routes multiple times, had barely any flashes besides his first catch and the punt return, showed up to camp out of shape, getting blown up at the LOS, ect. I wish I could have your optimism. 

Because 40% of drafting is picking the right guy, and 60% of drafting is developing the player to BE the right guy.  It's not junior high school -- coaching up a player, including yelling, is NOT a bad thing.  The player will either take coaching and develop or he will not.  Good organizations develop their draft picks, bad organizations trash-can them too fast.  

If anyone thought Reagor was a finished product coming out of TCU I don't know what to tell you.  He has to be taught how to run routes, maybe he needs to be coached up hard.  There's no way he was coached up hard last season by Doug and Press Taylor.  Good coaches try different methods to reach a player.

I saw enough last season to believe Reagor will be a good player if you take advantage of his burst and get him the ball in space.  He's going to be better when you get him the ball quick and let him hit the open field than he will be tracking intermediate and deep balls.

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Nick might not be the coach to win us a super bowl, but definitely seems like the coach we need right now. 

I said this when he was hired, whether he can coach will be determined in year 3, but for the first two years, his role is to manage player development - if you want to win in today's NFL (or practically any sport) you have to build up a core of home grown inexpensive talent, which allows you to function in a salary cap world, both by providing low cost starters and trade bait to fill holes when you're ready to compete.

The biggest competitive advantage is being able to turn later picks into top starters, whether it's the Phillies and Hopkins (5th rd), Suarez (low cost LA signing) or the Sixers with Thybelle, Maxie and Springer, the Flyers with Lindblom (5th rd), Myers (UDFA). Part of that is good drafting and waiver wire bottom feeding (Fulgham, Scott), but a big part is coaching up players with athleticism but raw skills (Mailata). Do this consistently and you can miss or trade 1st rd picks (Tampa Bay Lightning).

 

Another 70 min practice

9 minutes ago, Damanick10 said:

I don't know why you guys defend Reagor so much... he barely did anything last year. He quit on his routes multiple times, had barely any flashes besides his first catch and the punt return, showed up to camp out of shape, getting blown up at the LOS, ect. I wish I could have your optimism. 

I'm not defending him.  I don't think he showed up to camp out of shape.  He failed the physical testing component.  He then had some sort of lower body tightness.  He has also had some good reps in camp.  He had a good mini camp.  He appears to be competing. He had a bad rookie season on a very bad team.  I think he played sloppy but I don't think he quit on routes.  I think that was a lot of speculation by reporters to get attention. He has to improve his play but I have not seen anything that makes it seem like he's not competing or he's having a bad camp.  I mean JJAW  had 2 very good training camps and did nothing. I just don't think we can read too much into anything that happens.   

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Because 40% of drafting is picking the right guy, and 60% of drafting is developing the player to BE the right guy.  It's not junior high school -- coaching up a player, including yelling, is NOT a bad thing.  The player will either take coaching and develop or he will not.  Good organizations develop their draft picks, bad organizations trash-can them too fast.  

If anyone thought Reagor was a finished product coming out of TCU I don't know what to tell you.  He has to be taught how to run routes, maybe he needs to be coached up hard.  There's no way he was coached up hard last season by Doug and Press Taylor.  Good coaches try different methods to reach a player.

I saw enough last season to believe Reagor will be a good player if you take advantage of his burst and get him the ball in space.  He's going to be better when you get him the ball quick and let him hit the open field than he will be tracking intermediate and deep balls.

I guess we'll see. The way he plays and carries himself makes me think he won't improve much but trust me I hope you are right.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I'm not defending him.  I don't think he showed up to camp out of shape.  He failed the physical testing component.  He then had some sort of lower body tightness.  He has also had some good reps in camp.  He had a good mini camp.  He appears to be competing. He had a bad rookie season on a very bad team.  I think he played sloppy but I don't think he quit on routes.  I think that was a lot of speculation by reporters to get attention. He has to improve his play but I have not seen anything that makes it seem like he's not competing or he's having a bad camp.  I mean JJAW  had 2 very good training camps and did nothing. I just don't think we can read too much into anything that happens.   

I'm not sure how you can make each sentence contradict the next, but there you are. 

19 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Says the guy who literally orgasms all over his keyboard every time Hurts has a bad throw during warm ups.

I just hope Hurts plays poorly because if he looks good it will only lead to more soul crushing hurt later on because he will likely suffer some injury or some other thing will happen to him. 

Reagor didn't look great last year but that was thrown into a starker relief by the fact the guy we should have picked had an all timer rookie season. He gets a reset this year and another go to prove Howie wasn't wrong, but there's no excuse for failing a conditioning test, maintaining a certain standard of fitness on your own time is the price of being a professional athlete.

A lot will depend on what our offense looks like, Doug's offense never looked like producing a 1000 yard receiver it was a TE heavy passing game. Sirianni seemed to spread the ball around all the receivers with Rivers, so everyone ends up around 500-800 yards, be interesting to see if that was because Hilton lost a step or Rivers lost his arm. 

I really love everything that Sirianni has done up to now. He's hired a good staff. He's clearly pushing the players. He's consistent with his messaging (HITS, Competition). So far, so good.

Unfortunately for him, Howie's personnel decisions (Hurts, Reagor) will sink him this year.

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

I'm not sure how you can make each sentence contradict the next, but there you are. 

Out of shape, means poor physical condition.  15 pounds over weight is out of shape.  The reports have been that he actually had lost weight and is trying to play at a lower weight to improve his speed. Having an injury or not completing a test in the time given isn't the same thing. Failing a physical test means he was unable to pass the requirements of a test but we do not know what component he could or did not pass.  He had lower body tightness which may mean he had a muscular injury either during the test or prior to testing that impacted his test.  

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

I really love everything that Sirianni has done up to now. He's hired a good staff. He's clearly pushing the players. He's consistent with his messaging (HITS, Competition). So far, so good.

Unfortunately for him, Howie's personnel decisions (Hurts, Reagor) will sink him this year.

He's taken over a 4-win team that could have been a 1-win team if not for beating 3rd string sub QBs.  How do you quantify him "sinking" this year?

 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Out of shape, means poor physical condition.  15 pounds over weight is out of shape.  The reports have been that he actually had lost weight and is trying to play at a lower weight to improve his speed. Having an injury or not completing a test in the time given isn't the same thing. Failing a physical test means he was unable to pass the requirements of a test but we do not know what component he could or did not pass.  He had lower body tightness which may mean he had a muscular injury either during the test or prior to testing that impacted his test.  

Failing a physical test at the very start of TC would lead to the conclusion that he was out of shape. I don't think it could be more clear than that. 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

People on here defended Agholor for 5 years when he was adequate at his best.  I'll give Reagor more time.

What? Agholor was arguably the biggest punching bag on the team. That's with him also having a big 2017 and playing great in the SB.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Bust.

53 minutes ago, Infam said:

There is a difference to offer criticism of some players and hating each and everyone on the team.

Such an absurd statement.  Hating each and everyone on the team.  Not even close.

37 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not saying it’s easy to get guys to come to Philly. It’s definitely harder. However horford was 33 years old, coming off a declining year where he also had a knee injury that was bothering him, the Celtics didn’t even want to pay him the money the sixers gave him and he was a terrible fit because at that stage of his career he wasn’t a good enough stretch four to play alongside embiid. Showed he was declining over the last three years and had a knee injury.

There’s no way around it al Horford at 33 when they paid him $100 million was a massive mistake. They could’ve signed bogdanovic (utah) for less money, better fit,  gotten better production and still went out and gotten another player or two. They wanted to get a fourth star and overpaid for an aging and declining horford (go look at what they tried to do the two offseason. They even said they were Star hunting as they tried to get Lebron the previous offseason. They wanted another star instead of signing role players who fit better). There’s a reason why the first thing morey did when he got he was unload horford’s contract. And a reason why the thunder inactivated him the last 2 months of this past season. 

Didn't I agree with you about Horford?  Maybe when I said "don't disagree about Horford" you took it to mean I needed lecture?

32 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I said this when he was hired, whether he can coach will be determined in year 3, but for the first two years, his role is to manage player development - if you want to win in today's NFL (or practically any sport) you have to build up a core of home grown inexpensive talent, which allows you to function in a salary cap world, both by providing low cost starters and trade bait to fill holes when you're ready to compete.

The biggest competitive advantage is being able to turn later picks into top starters, whether it's the Phillies and Hopkins (5th rd), Suarez (low cost LA signing) or the Sixers with Thybelle, Maxie and Springer, the Flyers with Lindblom (5th rd), Myers (UDFA). Part of that is good drafting and waiver wire bottom feeding (Fulgham, Scott), but a big part is coaching up players with athleticism but raw skills (Mailata). Do this consistently and you can miss or trade 1st rd picks (Tampa Bay Lightning).

The absurd narratives you create to defend Howie Roseman make me laugh.  On the verge of the 2019 and 2020 1st rounders being busts, but you wanna talk up 5th rounders.

We kinda new he was a bust last year 

 

 

1 hour ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Reagor just doesn't seem to give a **** to me. He plays lazy, doesn't seem to act of feedback, and generally looks miserable. Know he's dealing with a tough loss but all of this extends back to last year.

I think reagor is going to be a solid NFL player in time (by solid where he can stick in the league but that doesn’t mean he’s a special talent). but there’s a couple things going on. When he came out of college there was concern about his attitude on the football field. There were many reports specifically from Daniel Jerimiah saying he would give up on routes he knew werent going to him or when they were playing poorly (freshman QB)he would check out. There were other reports as well saying teams thought he had some maturity issues. This is not some sort of revelation that he had some of these issues. 

he had other issues where he wasn’t a polished receiver coming out. It’s why his draft ranking was anywhere from late 1st to 2nd round. it was going to take him time cause he wasn’t polished

That said he is always going to be compared to who went after him at 20.  That’s something that will be tough for him to deal with until he does or is no longer here. He plays in Philadelphia at a position the eagles and fans wanted to be solved. Every year he doesn’t play as well as Justin Jefferson or Brandon aiyuk or tee Higgins or even Michael Pittman he’s going to deal with the fans going off on him. That comes with the territory. It is why agholor got crushed for years by fans even the year after agholor had his best season here fans railed on him.