20 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Where in the world do "rights" give you the go ahead to do whatever you want?

In the context of the conversation getting the vaccine. You knew that but for some reason you want to try and make this something it’s not. 

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

What rights???

If I worked at jacks chicken shack and my boss said I need to get vaccinated to work there and if not I'm fired jack would be well within his rights.

The NFL is a private business Hopkins is an employee he can follow the rules or pay the consequences.

If he said he wanted to do steroids and the NFL said you'll get suspended 

Would you say, use your rights to do whatever???

In terms of getting the vac. 

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

That’s news to me. I don’t recall him being a distraction. I recall him having a down year, but he did nothing to distract the team from their goals.

Well he’s going to be a distraction to extending Goedert 

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

How do we know he didn’t put in effort. He had a bad year it doesn’t mean he didn’t try hard. Was he not working hard at practices? Was he not paying attention during film study? Did he sit out games when healthy during the season because he didn’t feel like playing?

I think people like to project with no factual basis for that, and I saw nothing that said Ertz wasn’t trying hard. It was a terrible year, no one on the offense really played all that well.

Because I saw the games live where he didn't...

It was even discussed many times in GDT

8 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

In the context of the conversation getting the vaccine. You knew that but for some reason you want to try and make this something it’s not. 

In terms of getting the vac. 

Yes in terms of getting the Vaccination.

If an employer mandated his employees be vaccinated In Order to work and if they didn't would be fired the employer would be well within his rights to fire those employees that choose not to get vaccinated.

They can use their right of choice and freedom of choice doesn't mean free of consequences.

 

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yes in terms of getting the Vaccination.

If an employer mandated his employees be vaccinated I. Order to work and if they didn't would be fired the employer would be well within his rights to fire those emoyees that choose not to get vaccinated.

They can use their right of choice and freedom of choice doesn't mean free of consequences.

 

In the NFL it is required for you to be in shape. It is their freedom to not be. If youre not, you won’t be employed anymore. It’s weird to me that these players understand that but don’t understand the same thing for the vaccination.

2 hours ago, Original Sin said:

Flu cases were down huge this past season , mask wearing played a major role in that  , along with social distancing . Mask work

No cold for the first time in I don’t know how long since I started wearing a mask.  I may make it a habit indoors. I don’t think I will ever fly without one again.  

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

That’s pretty good.

 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

No cold for the first time in I don’t know how long since I started wearing a mask.  I may make it a habit indoors. I don’t think I will ever fly without one again.  

I stopped taking ibuprofen, tylenol, anything like that 7 years ago. I haven’t been sick once or had a headache since then. Everyone was surprised when I got the vaccine. It was obviously the best thing to do.

Building your immune system is important. Those things tear it down because your body ends up relying on them. Wearing a mask is the same thing. It has immediate benefits but it will eventually handicap you to always wear it.

 

59 minutes ago, Utebird said:

If I'm a prosecutor they're victims the defense will call them accusers.

Me being neither I tend to side with the accusers as too many times sexual assaults arent even ever brought to the light of day as victims feel they won't be believed or worse will be blamed.l or dragged through the media 

Like I said I'm not a lawyer or a judge or a juror so I'm not held to the same standards of a court of law of innocent til proven guilty

So I will refer to them as victims until it's otherwise proven they are not. I'll give the victims the benefit of the doubt until they've proven I shouldn't.

 

So Watson and any other accused of sexual assault is guilty until proven innocent for you.  Got it.  F’ the basis of our common law.  I would never seat a person on a criminal or civil jury that reduces burden of proof to the defendant.  It’s just wrong in my view.  

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

So Watson and any other accused of sexual assault is guilty until proven innocent for you.  Got it.  F’ the basis of our common law.  I would never seat a person on a criminal or civil jury that reduces burden of proof to the defendant.  It’s just wrong in my view.  

51 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yes in terms of getting the Vaccination.

If an employer mandated his employees be vaccinated In Order to work and if they didn't would be fired the employer would be well within his rights to fire those employees that choose not to get vaccinated.

They can use their right of choice and freedom of choice doesn't mean free of consequences.

 

Never said he would be free of consequences 

59 minutes ago, Utebird said:

What rights???

If I worked at jacks chicken shack and my boss said I need to get vaccinated to work there and if not I'm fired jack would be well within his rights.

The NFL is a private business Hopkins is an employee he can follow the rules or pay the consequences.

If he said he wanted to do steroids and the NFL said you'll get suspended 

Would you say, use your rights to do whatever???

You working at Jacks would be an "at will” employee.  NFL players are not at will employees.  Their contracts and the CBA governs their employment. So t issue is what can the NFL and team enforce?

Watch Ertz have a 80/900/11 year. lol

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

How do we know he didn’t put in effort. He had a bad year it doesn’t mean he didn’t try hard. Was he not working hard at practices? Was he not paying attention during film study? Did he sit out games when healthy during the season because he didn’t feel like playing?

I think people like to project with no factual basis for that, and I saw nothing that said Ertz wasn’t trying hard. It was a terrible year, no one on the offense really played all that well.

Ertz had consistently been a top 2-3 route runner at his position for the last 5 years and probably the best at finding space in zone coverage.  There are blatantly obvious plays last year where he did not finish his routes, gave up on the play after contact (before the ball was even thrown), and did not give maximum effort. Anyone with eyes could have seen that.  He was disgruntled all year, and it negatively impacted his play on the field. 

22 minutes ago, What The F said:

Watch Ertz have a 80/900/11 year. lol

That would be good for us. The better year he has the better contract he gets in 2022 from another team which in turns gets us a better comp pick. 

39 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Ertz had consistently been a top 2-3 route runner at his position for the last 5 years and probably the best at finding space in zone coverage.  There are blatantly obvious plays last year where he did not finish his routes, gave up on the play after contact (before the ball was even thrown), and did not give maximum effort. Anyone with eyes could have seen that.  He was disgruntled all year, and it negatively impacted his play on the field. 

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52 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Ertz had consistently been a top 2-3 route runner at his position for the last 5 years and probably the best at finding space in zone coverage.  There are blatantly obvious plays last year where he did not finish his routes, gave up on the play after contact (before the ball was even thrown), and did not give maximum effort. Anyone with eyes could have seen that.  He was disgruntled all year, and it negatively impacted his play on the field. 

Many examples all season long but for me the two most obvious ones were against WFT, first and last game of the season.  When the game started to turn in Week 1 he was the first to quit — you could see it in his body language.  Last game Week 17 he stood and watched Chase Young rush past him to the QB (Sudfeld). Someone should have throttled him in the locker room.

Anyone notice the Mychal Kendricks news?  Going to the BIG HOUSE....for 1 day.  Then 3 years of probation.  

1 hour ago, hputenis said:

Ertz had consistently been a top 2-3 route runner at his position for the last 5 years and probably the best at finding space in zone coverage.  There are blatantly obvious plays last year where he did not finish his routes, gave up on the play after contact (before the ball was even thrown), and did not give maximum effort. Anyone with eyes could have seen that.  He was disgruntled all year, and it negatively impacted his play on the field. 

The original concern expressed in bringing back Ertz was he'd be a distraction this upcoming season.

So essentially what the concern is, is Ertz, who's always been total class, who is coming off a bad year when every single player on the offense had a bad year, sans maybe Kelce; and only Ertz's bad year was blamed on the contract dispute, even though we don't know for certain that's what caused it. Miles Sanders who dropped 7 passes, 20% of his catchable passes in 2020... for him it was just a bad year. For Wentz it was "he didn't have weapons" but Ertz it was the contract. And Ertz somehow gets blamed for being a distraction when the entire team played like dogshit.

And the concern is, what, that a TE who will split time with Goedert is going to bring down a team with zero expectations headed into the 2021 season?

Seems like a reach to me. When teams go to crap, sometimes everyone kind of gets caught up in it. You see players not making plays they usually do. It kind of snowballs. I think whatever Ertz's issues were, were way down the list of things to blame for the 2020 season. And far more things to worry about in 2021.

There’s no point in paying a backup TE 12.5M. Cut him loose and use the 8.5M you save on someone else that can help this year or you rollover to use next year. It’s not worth this dog and pony show to maybe get a 6th round comp pick in 2023

I have not agreed with many things the NFL has done in years...but this vaccine edict is going to be amazing, fascinating, and entertaining....on so many levels.

This is going to be worthy of getting popcorn ready.

Belichick is probably taking notes already and will be sending COVID+ hookers to the hotel rooms of unvaccinated divisional players.

53 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The original concern expressed in bringing back Ertz was he'd be a distraction this upcoming season.

So essentially what the concern is, is Ertz, who's always been total class, who is coming off a bad year when every single player on the offense had a bad year, sans maybe Kelce; and only Ertz's bad year was blamed on the contract dispute, even though we don't know for certain that's what caused it. Miles Sanders who dropped 7 passes, 20% of his catchable passes in 2020... for him it was just a bad year. For Wentz it was "he didn't have weapons" but Ertz it was the contract. And Ertz somehow gets blamed for being a distraction when the entire team played like dogshit.

And the concern is, what, that a TE who will split time with Goedert is going to bring down a team with zero expectations headed into the 2021 season?

Seems like a reach to me. When teams go to crap, sometimes everyone kind of gets caught up in it. You see players not making plays they usually do. It kind of snowballs. I think whatever Ertz's issues were, were way down the list of things to blame for the 2020 season. And far more things to worry about in 2021.

Been saying this for months. Ertz was bad, people love to unload on people. The guy came back to play on a sprained ankle on a team that won 4 games. Then needed surgery on it immediately after the season. He’s the least of our concerns IMO. 
 

The biggest distraction last year was how atrocious we were.