1 minute ago, downundermike said:

And then it took him 5 years as a pro to pass his freshman and senior year completion percentage at Syracuse.  McNabb was the same guy his entire career, his best year took a hall of fame WR.

You still have yet to prove one QB he developed.

So you're comparing his stats in college to whether or not he developed in the NFL instead of using the progression of his actual NFL stats???

That makes sense 

Patrick Mahomes senior year 65% passer second year in NFL 66% league MVP.

3rd year 

Super Bowl MVP.

2019 threw 50 tds As a senior threw 41?

 

Last I checked he didn't do any of that in college so by your measure that's improvement no??? 

Just because McNabb was good in college doesn't mean Reid didn't develop him if that were the case every good college an would be a good pro QB 

Want to talk more college qbs, what was feeleys college completion % and wins???

 Feeley was mostly a backup his high in completion% was 52%

He ended his career as a 55%.

His first 5 starts he went 4-1 got traded sucked then came back to Philly and had his highest completion % marks of his career as a back up.

 Vicks highest completion with the falcons was 56% 

From 2010-2012 he exceeded 56% under Reid and in 2010 his first as a starter under Reid had 62%.

In college he was a career 56% passer.

So that's 4 right there and 4 is more than 1 so...

Just now, DEagle7 said:

So if they put him on IR now his season is done. Needs to make the 53 his they want him to be eligible to return this year. Annoying

That's interesting.  I wonder if they could waive with an injury settlement and then re-sign him.  I mean it's not like any team is going to claim him until he's healed.  

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eagles are trading for Ertz? That would be an interesting twist

Julie

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's always been this way

The Eagles and injuries - yes, I agree. 

23 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Sounds like he is developing into one when multiple reports have him looking like the best QB from the Patriots-Eagles joint practice which included a former Super Bowl MVP, former league MVP and recent 15th overall selection in the draft. 

Was watching the Pat Mcafee show yesterday and they had a Pats reporter on and he talked about how good Hurts looked even mentioning accuracy.

Im reserving judgment till the real games start but I thought that was interesting coming from the Patriots reporter.

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

That's interesting.  I wonder if they could waive with an injury settlement and then re-sign him.  I mean it's not like any team is going to claim him until he's healed.  

Julie

She's probably a more willing blocker than Zach.

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

She's probably a more willing blocker than Zach.

And she has better hair....

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

One could only hope.  

If Ertz was smart, he's 30 years old, in a contract year. He should do everything he can to play lights out this year. A team would absolutely pay him a lot of money if he does so, because you could write off last year as being an outlier amongst an overall terrible team dynamic. If he sulks again and plays like he did last year, he won't get very much on the open market I don't think. 

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Again. The comparison had nothing to do with position or talent level.  

but, theres also a huge difference between a guy with mental illness who still managed to be literally great, even if for a short while; vs a guy who is really just a p***y.

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's always been this way

Yup, but still a lot of people don't know that which is why I/Berman clarified. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Not really.  Also, How do we know Dillard doesn’t have a mental illness?  
 

Hmm?

when we find that out we can re-consider. 

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Last I checked he didn't do any of that in college so by your measure that's improvement no??? 

Just because McNabb was good in college doesn't mean Reid didn't develop him if that were the case every good college an would be a good pro QB 

Want to talk more college qbs, what was feeleys college completion % and wins???

 Feeley was mostly a backup his high in completion% was 52%

He ended his career as a 55%.

His first 5 starts he went 4-1 got traded sucked then came back to Philly and had his highest completion % marks of his career as a back up.

 Vicks highest completion with the falcons was 56% 

From 2010-2012 he exceeded 56% under Reid and in 2010 his first as a starter under Reid had 62%.

In college he was a career 56% passer.

So that's 4 right there and 4 is more than 1 so...

McNabb never progressed, take out the TO year, he was always a 59-60% passer.

AJ Feely improved from 53% in college, to 55% as a pro, in his 18 pro starts.  WOW, such development.  I mean, look at these huge numbers during his 4-1 streak.

He did not develop Vick, sure, his first year he completed 62.6% of his passes, then it went down every year.  59.8, then 58.1, 54.6.

I tend to think of development as a guy getting progressively better.

Vick 2010, 21 TD v 6 int

Vick 2011, 18 TD v 14 int

Vick 2012, 12 TD v 10 picks.

Looks like he regressed under Reid, not developed.

 

36 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

 

 

mother f’er 😠

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Not really.  Also, How do we know Dillard doesn’t have a mental illness?  
 

Hmm?

Last I checked he hasn't been diagnosed with one or claimed to have one.

Even if he did let me know when he becomes all pro despite it.

 

18 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

That's interesting.  I wonder if they could waive with an injury settlement and then re-sign him.  I mean it's not like any team is going to claim him until he's healed.  

I don't really see the point in going this route. Just carry him to the 53 and then IR him, especially with unlimited IR returns again this year. Plans seemed to be he was making the 53 anyway so you aren't really burning a roster spot in the meantime. Otherwise you have to waive and risk he's not claimed. And then there is like a 4 or 6 window after the injury settlement ends that you can't sign him even if healthy. 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No…”we” can’t and won’t have to.  

Thats ok. Some of us can be wrong. 

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

McNabb never progressed, take out the TO year, he was always a 59-60% passer.

AJ Feely improved from 53% in college, to 55% as a pro, in his 18 pro starts.  WOW, such development.  I mean, look at these huge numbers during his 4-1 streak.

He did not develop Vick, sure, his first year he completed 62.6% of his passes, then it went down every year.  59.8, then 58.1, 54.6.

I tend to think of development as a guy getting progressively better.

Vick 2010, 21 TD v 6 int

Vick 2011, 18 TD v 14 int

Vick 2012, 12 TD v 10 picks.

Looks like he regressed under Reid, not developed.

 

Then Montana regressed under Walsh as well 

As do most qbs with age.

At this point you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, first you compared college stats to pro stats and now are suggesting that Reid didn't develop any and because at some point they regressed, yeah that happens.

As for the all pro WR argument ,take Jerry rice away from montana then in the discussion.

Now @Utebird lets talk about the development of a QB.

 

Here is Joe Montana's college stats.

Bill Walsh took a guy who completed 52.0 % of his college passes, and turned him into a career 64% passer, multiple time league MVP and 4 time Super Bowl champion, peaking his completion percentage in 1989 at 70.2%.  That is progression, that is development.

If you get a college qb and he turns pro and is successful he's developed by you. 

Those early 00's Eagles teams were carried by JJ and the defense. 

2001 - 9th points scored, 20th passing, 14th rushing

2002 - 4th points scored, 19th passing, 7th rushing

2003 - 11th points, 20th passing, 9th rushing

2004 - 8th points, 7th passing, 24th rushing 

 

The defense meanwhile:

2001 - 2nd points allowed, 2nd pass D, 18th rush D

2002 - 2nd PA, 7th pass, 9th rush

2003 - 7th PA, 16th pass, 22 rush

2004 - Tied for 2nd PA, 12th pass, 16th rush

38 minutes ago, greend said:

I just googled him and he was the first person to come up on the page

Really? That’s strange. I just got the Dazed and Confused guy again.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Now @Utebird lets talk about the development of a QB.

 

Here is Joe Montana's college stats.

Bill Walsh took a guy who completed 52.0 % of his college passes, and turned him into a career 64% passer, multiple time league MVP and 4 time Super Bowl champion, peaking his completion percentage in 1989 at 70.2%.  That is progression, that is development.

No one said it wasn't.

Montana also came from a run heavy offense at ND 

Then Into an offense that was years ahead if the league then along with the greatest WR to ever play the game.

Like I said I think it's fair to debate which coach was better at developing qbs to say Reid never developed a QB and Walsh is the best because he developed one who could be considered the goat is a bit short sighted 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Those early 00's Eagles teams were carried by JJ and the defense. 

2001 - 9th points scored, 20th passing, 14th rushing

2002 - 4th points scored, 19th passing, 7th rushing

2003 - 11th points, 20th passing, 9th rushing

2004 - 8th points, 7th passing, 24th rushing 

 

The defense meanwhile:

2001 - 2nd points allowed, 2nd pass D, 18th rush D

2002 - 2nd PA, 7th pass, 9th rush

2003 - 7th PA, 16th pass, 22 rush

2004 - Tied for 2nd PA, 12th pass, 16th rush

Yup.

Loved watching those early JJ defenses.

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Then Montana regressed under Walsh as well 

As for the all pro WR argument ,take Jerry rice away from montana then in the discussion.

Not sure how you fire he regressed under Walsh.  His  two highest completion percentages are 87 and 89, his 9th and 11th season in the league.

As for taking Rice away, Joe Montana highest completion % with 9ers

1989 - 70.2% ( with Rice )

1987 - 66.8% ( with Rice )

1984 - 64.6% ( no Rice )

1980 - 64.5% ( no Rice )

1983 - 64.5% ( no Rice )

1981 - 63.7% ( no Rice )

 

1 minute ago, SB52 said:

Really? That’s strange. I just got the Dazed and Confused guy again.

I wouldn't lie about it. Maybe google knows who's a true eagles fan & who isn't

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently, the ghost of WIP will forever taint Big Red’s legacy. 

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