4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Most of man 1-20 didn’t play. 

And stop relying on pro football reference to determine a player’s development. 

Pats second string dominated ours, Pats 3rd string dominated ours.  There was nothing positive to take from that game.

 

24 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I know everyone loves Shanahan and all but I believe he might be over rated somewhat.  

1 winning season out of 4 and he's a great coach?  Maybe a great offensive coach and play caller but great HC?  Not so sure.  Let's see how he does with Saleh now gone and a new DC.

I agree he has had really one great season as a coach.  He has also had Hoyer, Beatherd, and Mullens as starting QBs.  He is 24-8 with Garropalo as a starter.  I mean there's a good argument that Doug did more with less talent. 

 

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Pretty crusty in here this morning; last night in here was a great reminder of why I never come in during games.  You'd think the team had lost 4 starters to season-ending injuries last night .... or they'd lost a game that mattered at all.

Game time is not a time to be rational.  I just vent here so my wife doesn't have to hear me complain about a dumb preseason game out loud.  

We benched our QB and three elite level OP 20 minutes before kickoff. We sat our starting DL and top four DEs. We sat Slay. 

Our JV looked bad vs the Pats 1s. Our 3s were terrible. 

Just now, downundermike said:

It's not about the game mattering in the win loss column, it was the look of an unprepared, undisciplined, uninspired team that is concerning.  Man 1 through man 85 the Patriots dominated us.

Well, the QB1 who was supposed to play 2-3 series was removed right before kickoff, and the entire right side of the OL was sat down along with him so backups -- who thought they'd enter the game in progress went in with no preparation at all.  If Flacco and his 13 years of experience was unprepared to go in to start the game, why are you surprised the offense didn't function?    

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Pats second string dominated ours, Pats 3rd string dominated ours.  There was nothing positive to take from that game.

 

Sure. But tht doesn’t make the catastrophe you seem to think it is. 

18 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

@greend  I just tried to send you a message but your box is full and it would not allow me to send it.  I apologize for that post.  I went too far.  It was uncalled for. 

I just want to know who it was in response to. Cause that was scorched earth. 

20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Anyone who actually watched McNabb throughout his career knows he wasn’t the same player his entire career. It’s a ridiculous assertion. 

That doesn’t mean McNabb improved significantly on all areas or didn’t plateau in some, but Reid developed the hell out of a freeze option QB. 

Yup

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I just want to know who it was in response to. Cause that was scorched earth. 

Greend and I were going back and forth about Smith.  I deleted my message.  It was a bit much.

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Greend and I were going back and forth about Smith.  I deleted my message.  It was a bit much.

No worries. Moving on

 

36 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hmmmm... a moment ago, there was an MO.  Now there's not.  You don't need to see a study, the general softness of practices of the Eagles and the injury results speak for themselves.  Weak, short practices sure seem to lead to a lot of injuries.  Super hard practices can too.  The Eagles are at an extreme... and generally, the extremes of a spectrum leads to problems.  

 

Not sure what your point about Reid is... Yes, in 1999, they were a TERRIBLE team.  His tough preseason was about setting up a culture of accountability and hard work.  Of course, they lost the first 4 games that year.  They were coming off a 3-13 season, had the worst record in the NFL in 1998, and they brought in Doug Pederson to start at QB.  They were a BAD team, but they were ready to compete in Game 1.   They nearly won that first game, if not for a drop by Brian Finneran.  And more importantly, they learned those lessons from that hard preseason in Year 1, and made the playoffs in Year 2.  

We'll see what a soft practice schedule does for this team both in Year 1 and Year 2.   My guess is, they will remain a soft team, even if they become a 'better team'.  Toughness can't just show up on Sundays.  It needs to be there every day of the week.

I have mixed feelings about this, Reid ran pretty tough camps and his teams were pretty "tough"

And yet this era of football is different and not as physical, it's faster, less physical, defense has been legislated out of the game to increase offense and scoring and offenses are more open and spread out with less heavy run fronts.

I mean how many teams carry FBs any more?

Not to mention the CBA rules that have limited the amount of practice time and hitting to go along with the leaps and bounds taken In sports science and training In say the last decade.

Having said that I'm not sure the solution is practice 45 minutes with no hitting and walking through a pre season game.

Seems there should be a happy medium.

55 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I know everyone loves Shanahan and all but I believe he might be over rated somewhat.  

1 winning season out of 4 and he's a great coach?  Maybe a great offensive coach and play caller but great HC?  Not so sure.  Let's see how he does with Saleh now gone and a new DC.

In fairness he had bad qbs until he got Jimmy G. And one year Jimmy g tore his ACL and another he missed a majority of the season (2020). The one year Jimmy G stayed healthy they got to a super bowl. 

2017– beathard started 5, hoyer started 6. Jimmy g started 5 and went 5-0

2018– Jimmy g started 3 then beathard and Mullens started the other 13

2019– Jimmy g started all 16 and got to the super bowl 

2020– beathard and Mullens started 10 and Jimmy g 6

shanahan’s record with Jimmy G is 22-8 and averages 28.3 ppg in his starts. I don’t think Jimmy G is great by any means but give him a solid to good QB and shanahan will get the most out of them. Beathard and mullens are just freaking awful 

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We benched our QB and three elite level OP 20 minutes before kickoff. We sat our starting DL and top four DEs. We sat Slay. 

Our JV looked bad vs the Pats 1s. Our 3s were terrible. 

I agree 100%.  Which begs the question... what will those 1s look like in a couple weeks?

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Hmmm. Who is responsible for that?

Everyone but Howie.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I agree 100%.  Which begs the question... what will those 1s look like in a couple weeks?

Beats me. I’m sure we’ll find out in a few weeks and the ITYSs will fly. 

2 hours ago, greend said:

Didn't watch the game. From what I scrolled through on here I'm glad I didn't. 

The Eagles didn't play as well as the score indicated.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I agree 100%.  Which begs the question... what will those 1s look like in a couple weeks?

Knowing how things go for the eagles probably lose at least 4-5 due to injury. This teams starters are ok (not great. Actually i question ok at LB and S at the moment. Kind of feel like WR besides smith not sure you are gonna get consistency week to week ) but once you have to go to the depth the eagles are going to be in a world of trouble  

The PS "games” are misnamed.   The Eagles played practically none of the dinged up players.  They also sat the older players.  I won’t be surprised at some level of tune up next week, kind of like the traditional third PS game.  There were deliberate evaluation calls made last night.  This was all about evaluation.  You could see the deliberate evaluations if you watched.  McPhearson and Jacquet with little S help.  Loose zone and a bunch of man. Evaluation.  One on one, mano a mano on DL and mostly on OL.  Evaluation of individual without help for the most part.  If there was a line call on that Herbig misstep and Pryor stuck in the mud play, it was the wrong one, for example.  Gainwell, Gainwell, Gainwell on repetitive plays, same with Stoll, even Holyfield.  Evaluation. LBs with no protection from the line left on an island to fend off second level blocks.  Evaluation.  Ss getting similar treatment.  Evaluation. 

Most players last night won’t be on the team.  They kind of got their old fourth PS show and tape opportunity yesterday.  I think those that sneak onto the 53 shouldn’t sign a long term lease.  6 on the waiver wire is going to be a value to the Eagles and may tie to some of the cap flexibility.

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Beats me. I’m sure we’ll find out in a few weeks and the ITYSs will fly. 

Sirrianni has said that the joint practice Reps are more important to him and his players than pre season.

If thats the way they feel and they are going to mail it in for a pre season game then why charge fans to watch that mess.

Lurie is stealing from his fan base by putting that product on a pre season field and asking people to actual spend money to watch it.

Hopefully the joint practices with the jets have some juice because I don't think that ore season game did anything to get any one ready other than maybe singleton.

The WRs played a ton but the QB play was so bad I guess it was just route practice???

Once Hurts became a scratch there was no reason to play with the 1s anymore. Last night sucked but it was the right call given the situation. Let the Pats have their preseason win. 

Usage was interesting:

The 3 WRs played the half, all young, all need game reps. After that, Fulgham is blowing his chance but neither Hightower or JJAW have stood out.

Williams played a lot at LDE, won't surprise me if he plays more at DT the next game, with Sweat and Kerrigan coming off the bench, he'll get more game reps at DT where neither Ridgeway, Tuipulotu or R Williams (who all got reps) seem to have a lock on the #3 DT spot. When McGill out plays these guys you need an upgrade.  If Barnett or Graham were to get injured, my bet is Williams starts in a Curry role, big body for run downs but comes off on pass downs b/c his short arms hinder him as a outside pass rusher.

Toth - Opeta - Herbig - Driscoll - Pryor got a lot of reps, Awosika seems PS bound, along with Crider. Pierschbacher might be kept for veteran depth (16 PS slots this year). I think Pryor is on the bubble, with Dillard out and Driscoll being cross trained at OG, he gets to play, but in the regular season, Driscoll is probably the first choice at RT, followed by Dickerson. They're not trading Dillard unless they're comfortable with Toth as a starter at LT, no guarantee Mailata can start 17 games.

 

 

One thing is clear. We need two back up QB's. If Hurts gets injured, the team has no shot with Flacco or Mullens. They both suck.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Sirrianni has said that the joint practice Reps are more important to him and his players than pre season.

If thats the way they feel and they are going to mail it in for a pre season game then why charge fans to watch that mess.

Lurie is stealing from his fan base by putting that product on a pre season field and asking people to actual spend money to watch it.

Hopefully the joint practices with the jets have some juice because I don't think that ore season game did anything to get any one ready other than maybe singleton.

The WRs played a ton but the QB play was so bad I guess it was just route practice???

The NFL mandates preseason games and none of them are free; not in any franchise.  Why just blame Lurie?

IIRC Doug didn't play his starters on offense at all in any preseason games.  

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Once Hurts became a scratch there was no reason to play with the 1s anymore. Last night sucked but it was the right call given the situation. Let the Pats have their preseason win. 

Agreed. Poor Flacco though.