11 minutes ago, Swoop said:

So let's change the subject to something happier.

How many snaps for Hurts tonight? 

😂

Why? You wanna bet?

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Here goes Mr. smartest guy in the room again.

Here is an article about the Eagles coaching search.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/nfl-rumors-eagles-coaching-search-tracker-latest-names-tied-eagles

I quoted this section, and bolded the guys who could easily push back against Howie.

Joe Brady has way less experience than Sirianni.  Why would he have power to push back ?  Duce Staley, who never had a coaching position outside the Eagles and way less experience than Sirianni would have the ability to push back.  McDaniels lost all strengths with his disaster in Denver and then his move with Indy.  Dennis Allen?  What about his career or his stint as Raiders HC suggests the ability to push back.  Might as well have said Wade Phillips.  Todd Bowles?  Didn’t get the job in Miami, didn’t get the job here.  Did such a stellar job with the Jets that they offered him the job.  So a bunch of has been and an apparent young strong offensive minded coach.

If it is a pushing game, the organization fails.  Ever been in an organization where there are two executives pushing at each other all the time?  The best results come from collaboration.  You don’t want all yes men.  In fact, one of the biggest failures from Howie is he appears to say yes too much.  Yes to much to the HC, yes too much to Lurie.  Frankly, that is one of the biggest reasons that he needs to go.  

19 minutes ago, downundermike said:

1st bolded point - And the reason I get into it with afan, he has been steadfast that 30 NFL teams the GM makes that final decision.  That is false as I have proven, and from the rosters we have seen, and the media reports we have seen, Howie takes input and then makes his own decision, against what the coaches want.

2nd bolded point - Yes, the GM needs to be involved for cap purposes, but he is not putting together schemes to win games, so the only input he should have is will it work within the cap.

Your entire last paragraph is exactly how it should be, but afan has posted time and again that is not how it is,  and I have proven that more than 10 NFL coaches have final say over the roster, and I bet the rest unless it is an extreme situation, those GM's with final say actually do what the coaches ask.

There are plenty of bad GMs and bad coaches when it comes to player evaluation and decisions.  I mean Reagor over Jefferson was apparently at the behest of the coaching staff.  It's a false dichotomy to suggest the coach either has to have it or the GM.  They have a working relationship and ultimately the best outcome is usually one where coach and GM are helping field the best team.  

My bad gang, I meant tomorrow.

I'll bet you all right now that's what I meant.

Pay up.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Did bacarty hack @Swoop's account ??

Listen it's been a long day and I have a migraine. Lmao.

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Proven? Really? Opined with jerry-pickng is more like it.

What did I cherry pick exactly ??

And you are alleging that Lowie doesn’t do what the coaches ask. You base that on what? Somehow I missed that.

Golden Tate is exhibit A.  Brought a guy in that the coaches said in interviews that couldn't figure out how to incorporate into the offense.

 

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

There are plenty of bad GMs and bad coaches when it comes to player evaluation and decisions.  I mean Reagor over Jefferson was apparently at the behest of the coaching staff.  It's a false dichotomy to suggest the coach either has to have it or the GM.  They have a working relationship and ultimately the best outcome is usually one where coach and GM are helping field the best team.  

And as we have seen from the last few rosters and drafts, they have failed.  The only constant in all of it is Howie Roseman.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

My bad gang, I meant tomorrow.

I'll bet you all right now that's what I meant.

Pay up.

Listen it's been a long day and I have a migraine. Lmao.

Hurts is not going to allow Sirianni to sit him again; he's a gamer.  He's going to play 3 series.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Hurts is not going to allow Sirianni to sit him again; he's a gamer.  He's going to play 3 series.

I dunno man.  I bet we do not see Hurts, all the vet offensive lineman, Sanders.  It will be a repeat of last week.  Especially because, you know, they won practice.

Lol. Dennis Allen, Todd Bowles, Duce Staley, etc have clout?

They didn’t even have any job offers. 

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

You expect me to go back and parse everything? Nope. And neither would you.

Golden Tate was a fine player, everywhere but here. It’s on the coaches being unable to work him in. All the other coaches seemed to manage. Why not ours? You’re blaming the wrong people.

PS. They’re all gone.
 

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I dunno man.  I bet we do not see Hurts, all the vet offensive lineman, Sanders.  It will be a repeat of last week.  Especially because, you know, they won practice.

You're probably right.

The arrogance (stupidity) of this team is astounding. Forever thankful for 2017, but damn it would be nice to have a normal franchise.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I didn’t see the "clout” conversation.   But they all have more experience then Nick had, at the NFL level.  

Joe Brady doesn’t. That was another name mentioned. 

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You expect me to go back and parse everything? Nope. And neither would you.

Golden Tate was a fine player, everywhere but here. It’s on the coaches being unable to work him in. All the other coaches seemed to manage. Why not ours? You’re blaming the wrong people.

PS. They’re all gone.
 

Not all.  One remains.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not all.  One remains.

True, but WRs aren’t exactly his thing.

1 hour ago, Veejer said:

He's not being an apologist...  he's offering his take...  you have no more proof than he does, at this point, that you're right and he's wrong...

Damn, I think I missed your frankness. 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lol. Dennis Allen, Todd Bowles, Duce Staley, etc have clout?

They didn’t even have any job offers. 

Dennis Allen played and has 25 years coaching experience, and a Super Bowl on his resume.

Todd Bowles played and has 24 years of coaching experience.

Duce Staley played and has 10 years of coaching experience, a chunk of that under Andy Reid who I have been told is the best developer of everything.

None of them should defer to a bean counter on anything other than cap management.

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

True, but WRs aren’t exactly his thing.

We've noticed.

12 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You expect me to go back and parse everything? Nope. And neither would you.

Golden Tate was a fine player, everywhere but here. It’s on the coaches being unable to work him in. All the other coaches seemed to manage. Why not ours? You’re blaming the wrong people.

PS. They’re all gone.
 

That tells me Howie brought him in without consulting the coaches.  They already new forcing Nelson to the outside was not going to work, we have seen it.  So there only option would be to bench him if he couldn't play outside.  Do you really think the coaches signed off on bringing in a player that would disrupt other players ??

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

If I missed anyone, apologies.  I thought I caught all of them.

 

@Iggles_Phan I’ll go 7-10. Horrific start followed by a better second half of season.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Dennis Allen played and has 25 years coaching experience, and a Super Bowl on his resume.

Todd Bowles played and has 24 years of coaching experience.

Duce Staley played and has 10 years of coaching experience, a chunk of that under Andy Reid who I have been told is the best developer of everything.

None of them should defer to a bean counter on anything other than cap management.

Most HCs have 10+ years of coaching experience before their first HC job. "You got to pay your dues if you want to sing the blues, and you know it don't come easy."

What gives you leverage is being in high demand so you can pick and choose your situation, most HC candidates know that if they don't land a job in a couple years, new candidates will push them to the back of the queue. Schwartz never got another offer even after being the DC for the SB winner. You don't want to rot on the vine.

Pederson was a special case, on the one hand he was the perfect antidote to Chip, a players' coach who was likeable and healed the clubhouse. On the other hand, once Reich left it became obvious he wasn't the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, and he didn't have a good network to hire assistant coaches. And Schwartz checked out after he didn't get HC offers. So it's not surprising that Lowie became more involved, even then, most of the decisions were give the coaches what they want, Jeffrey, Malik, etc., and hope lightning strikes twice. Winning the SB bought Doug a couple extra years. Bad coaching hires and failure to develop young players ended his tenure.

Sirianni was hired b/c when you commit to a rebuild, you want a HC who is comfortable with player development, and is willing to put with the pain that comes with a rebuild. It's not that you accept losing, but you don't want a HC coming into your office screaming you have to get him some veterans because these kids are driving him crazy.

I think what probably turned them off to a number of candidates is they came in with a spiel on how they would turn it around and win in 2021, when Lowie had accepted reality and want to hear how a HC was going to build a team that could get back to the SB in a few years. They've made the playoffs lots of times, that's not the goal post in Philly.

 

Not a big surprise here.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

If I missed anyone, apologies.  I thought I caught all of them.

 

LOL I just noticed @e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! prediction

19 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Dennis Allen played and has 25 years coaching experience, and a Super Bowl on his resume.

Todd Bowles played and has 24 years of coaching experience.

Duce Staley played and has 10 years of coaching experience, a chunk of that under Andy Reid who I have been told is the best developer of everything.

None of them should defer to a bean counter on anything other than cap management.

Lol. So much clout. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lol. So much clout. 

A heck of a lot more clout than a nerd with a spreadsheet

I think I'd be okay with going the next 6-12 months without seeing the word "clout"....