2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This isn't true.  Flip's contract expired and they had already blocked him from the OC job in NY the year before.  So, he wanted to be an OC somewhere.  So, he left for the promotion.  Reich was still here.  But, when that troll in NE decided to back out of his commitment in Indy, that job opened up, and Reich was the premier candidate left to make that move.  He then left as well... and the timing was awful.   That moved Groh from WR coach all the way to OC, instead of just QB coach.  And promoted Taylor from Offensive QC/ass't QB coach to QB coach far sooner than I think he was ready for.  And teams can't block coaches from being interviewed for HC positions.

Yep, the butterfly effect from McDaniels backing out of the Indy job was wild. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

At this point, we have to be excited for Tuesday.  Nothing else to go by.  

 

I wonder what Qb we will pick up off the wire?  Because Mullens has to go.  Hurts will get hurt with his style of play.  And Flacco is Flacco.....

Good news, I heard that Tim Tebow might be available.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And I assumed that if the timing was flipped and Reich left before Flip.  Flip would have stayed on as OC.  He got a lot out of Carson.  I was more upset with losing Flip then Reich at the time.  Oh well...what could have been.  

I agree.   I am a big fan of Reich, so that was what bugged me more... and the timing.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think we will need to see rock bottom before real changes in direction are made.  

I think the team had it this year. The skewering the management got for the first time had to be majorly chastening.  Lurie was placed into a position where his GM had no one else to hide behind and the national media made a big fuss on it.  Let's see

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That flies in the face of "competing".  I guess today isn't a day where they will improve 1%.  Because the wanna hide their secrets.  

 

TBH, I know he has to say something.  I have no doubt this isn't on him.  It's a shame.  

It’s called they are attacking rest 

10 hours ago, BigEFly said:

But you have to admit that Howie wastes and fails to hit on second day hits and too many of his first round picks are more mediocre than most other GMs and he has bombed on some trades for players, especially up against the trade deadline.  I am scared of his choices or uses of those first four picks.   Rebuilding relies on hits with the first three picks and his record is pretty dismal.  I like the reasoning you bring on many topics but the myopia on his failure on picks hurts your credibility in evaluating his performance.   I will admit, I liked the Jones pick. That one is on Jones.  But Taylor was a reach.  Dickerson is a gamble. If Arcega-Whiteside was influenced by Lurie, Howie had an obligation to push back.  If Reagor over Jefferson was influenced by Doug, Howie had a duty to push back.  How Howie decided to extend Wentz and have his wheels come off within months requires scrutiny.  You have to admit his failures stand large.

As to 2017, Howie struck gold in signing Chris Long and his personality, Nick’s like ability and Celek’s will to go out on top are every bit as responsible for the success as Howie.  But he failed to see that it wasn’t just the band, it was the rhythm of that song and he has performed subpar since then.  You point to rebuilding after Chip as justifying his performance going forward.  I point to the Dream Team and his failure post 2017 as a reason to reevaluate and move on.  

I think you hit on the issues correctly.  Thinking about Howie it kind of begs the question as to what he is in terms of a GM. Is he someone that forms his own opinions and takes steps based on his own impressions as a GM.  Is he someone who is too influenced by the people around him and simply going along with whomever he thinks has the hot hand?  Arguably that is part of his job but I think what is troubling is that his decisions seem to vary.  We have seen this play out in a swing from valuing college production to one that seems to value athletic traits.  

13 minutes ago, Veejer said:

Are you vaccinated?  No hugs without proof of vaccination...

@Veejer arrives and now we are talking about hugging one another on the blog.  

Just now, NCiggles said:

@Veejer arrives and now we are talking about hugging one another on the blog.  

I have to give credit to @4for4EaglesNest...  it was his idea...  such a warm & fuzzy guy...

9 hours ago, austinfan said:

His replacement will probably fail, not might fail. So prepared to go through 2 or 3 and a decade of futility.

If Howie is 10-12th, the nine ahead of him are mostly guys with lifetime tenure and aren't available. Their assistants are, but as Douglas showed, that's not the same.

And you want to hire the guys with worse track records?

Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

But Howie isn’t 10th-12th.  He is probably in the bottom third. His major job is roster development.  Yes the owner probably wanted to hang onto the Super Bowl winning group.  But he didn’t.  But he also needed to succeed in the draft and he didn’t. It is not like he held onto older players and cut loose the draft choices.  It is that he and his staff failed  

Who said hire a retread?  There are a lot of up and coming prospects. 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

There you go!  That's how you tag someone.  Although I'm afraid it's like when my wife learned how to use facetime....I think I'll regret it.  

You're gonna take a single finger-fault, and get as much derogatory mileage out of it as you can...  this is what makes you so cute and huggable...

8 hours ago, austinfan said:

Howie needs to nail this rebuild, but he's earned the chance to make it work.

By 2023, either they're turning it around or the new guy will get to do so.

What drafts since he took back over from Chip earned him a chance to make it work?  What cap management and decisions on veteran players earned him a shot make it work?  Yes, he hit on a few draft choices but the bad blots out the good.  A blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. 

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

But Howie isn’t 10th-12th.  He is probably in the bottom third. His major job is roster development.  Yes the owner probably wanted to hang onto the Super Bowl winning group.  But he didn’t.  But he also needed to succeed in the draft and he didn’t. It is not like he held onto older players and cut loose the draft choices.

This, exactly this.  As I said last night, the year they won the Super Bowl, the seed were planted for the result we are currently in.

The Super Bowl year draft

Barnett ( decent player, but not what you expect from a top 15 pick, and it is still questionable if he will be here next season )

Jones ( a work out warrior who got hurt and was going to redshirt when you needed a player who could come in immediately and contribute and be part of the future )

Barnett is the only one on the roster from that 8 player draft, and he may be gone.

2018, you have Goedert, needs an extension, Maddox, meh, Sweat, rotational player who will never be a full time starter, Pryor, needs to be cut, and Mailata the diamond in the rough.

2019, Dillard, bust, Sanders, good but gets dinged to much and may not see a second contract, JJAWful, bust, and the rest are gone.

2021, fell into the Sidney Jones trap and drafted an injured player.

 

This roster would not be in the shambles it is in and need a "rebuild, retooling"  or whatever we are calling it.  

@austinfan you never addressed my post about the coaches interviewing elsewhere after Sirianni was interviewed and wowing Howie with his staff.  We can skip the rest, but I want to focus on the QB coach.  There is nothing about the situation that tells me Sirianni had decided on a staff, and that Howie didn't involve himself in picking the staff.

Reading this, he did not have a staff put together, when hired he was given the "freedom" to put together a staff, ( yeah, right ) and then a guy he doesn't even know from Howie's Alma Mater is the new QB coach.  

Surprised by Eagles’ interest

When the Eagles contacted Mullen last month and told him they were interested in Johnson for the quarterbacks coach position on Nick Sirianni’s new staff, Mullen was a little surprised.

Johnson had never worked in the NFL. His lone exposure to the league was an unsuccessful rookie minicamp tryout with the Green Bay Packers in 2009. He didn’t really know Sirianni or anyone on his staff.

While Sirianni was given the freedom to put together his own staff, it’s likely that Roseman, a University of Florida grad, suggested Johnson, who helped develop Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott at Mississippi State and Kyle Trask at Florida, to him.

43 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

How does "Pain" effect the mean?  

 

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!

That's a question above my pay grade.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think history will show that the best long term head coaching prospect on this staff, is Brian Johnson.  

That may be the case, but my point last night and this morning, Sirianni did not WOW anyone with his plan and the staff he had "already" put together.  From the articles I have read, and putting the timeline together, Brian Johnson was not contacted until 3-5 days after Sirianni was hired.  So he HAD NOT put a staff together, and Howie was involved in putting together that staff, just like he did with Doug.

So the Eagles starters are resting tonight.  I'm old enough to remember when preseason games had value.  Not for Siriani though.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2021/8/27/22644337/eagles-rest-starters-philadelphia-preseason-game-new-york-jets-jalen-hurts-finale-playing-time-nfl

18 minutes ago, downundermike said:

This, exactly this.  As I said last night, the year they won the Super Bowl, the seed were planted for the result we are currently in.

The Super Bowl year draft

Barnett ( decent player, but not what you expect from a top 15 pick, and it is still questionable if he will be here next season )

Jones ( a work out warrior who got hurt and was going to redshirt when you needed a player who could come in immediately and contribute and be part of the future )

Barnett is the only one on the roster from that 8 player draft, and he may be gone.

2018, you have Goedert, needs an extension, Maddox, meh, Sweat, rotational player who will never be a full time starter, Pryor, needs to be cut, and Mailata the diamond in the rough.

2019, Dillard, bust, Sanders, good but gets dinged to much and may not see a second contract, JJAWful, bust, and the rest are gone.

2021, fell into the Sidney Jones trap and drafted an injured player.

 

This roster would not be in the shambles it is in and need a "rebuild, retooling"  or whatever we are calling it.  

Jones was not a workout warrior.  He was highly regarded long before the combine.  The issue was spending a second round pick on him, when there were such quality talent still on the board.  Howie chose the major gamble and lost.  Trouble is, howie is gambling with someone else's money, so it didn't sting him enough not to double down on that mistake with Dickerson.  And for all we know, Dickerson might just find that magic elixir to avoid injury in the NFL... but that's not the risk you take at #37, with a team that can't seem to shake the injury bug, especially along the OL, and desperately needs to find young talent to refill the talent pool that's drying up due to aging out.    In Round 3... do it.  In a trade back where you mitigate the risk slightly, sure.  But not at 37.  Not in this draft.   Howie might get lucky on this one... but he is clearly over correcting for the Metcalf mistake.  But the Metcalf mistake is just that he chose JJAW... other WRs were also available that are far better than JJAW.

2 hours ago, greend said:

None of us truly know about "push back" , but "push back" has very little to do with longevity, service, or strength and more to do with attitude. In the interviews the candidates could have easily been asked "do you want full control of the team, or would you rather let an experienced gm deal with talent acquisition"? That could have helped determine whether or not he got the job. Early in my career anywhere that I interviewed I always made it clear that I wanted full control and realized that I would be held accountable as such.

That question may have been asked.  But it is possible that there was conversation about collaboration and teamwork.   No one expects Nick to perform data analysis but use the information, sure.  He should not be expected to do all scouting, but he should have significant input into how the information is used.  The question may have been worded a bit differently with a focus on roles, responsibilities, vision, collaboration and areas of authority and accountability.  Most interviews do that.  Full control?   Does that mean spend anything you want with no budget controls?  Performance reviews based only on when and how or if you want to do them? Uncapped raises?  Write your own contracts with customers?   

I expect Nick has more autonomy than recognized.   I do believe the Eagles favor collaboration.   But being a yes man isn’t collaboration.  

@Iggles_Phan 10-7

2 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I wish we would have re-signed Rasul when he was cut by the Raiders.  He is so much better than our current depth players and may have made an impact with Gannon's scheme.

I know that I am days late on this.

Better than Slay?  Better than Nelson?  Better than Maddox?  Better than McPhearson?   Better than James on STs because that is a factor for depth players?  
Not sure a 4.6 CB fits Gannon’s scheme because I am not sure what Gannon’s scheme is at this point.

Let me know if I missed anyone.

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8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Jones was not a workout warrior.  He was highly regarded long before the combine.  The issue was spending a second round pick on him, when there were such quality talent still on the board.  Howie chose the major gamble and lost.  Trouble is, howie is gambling with someone else's money, so it didn't sting him enough not to double down on that mistake with Dickerson.  And for all we know, Dickerson might just find that magic elixir to avoid injury in the NFL... but that's not the risk you take at #37, with a team that can't seem to shake the injury bug, especially along the OL, and desperately needs to find young talent to refill the talent pool that's drying up due to aging out.    In Round 3... do it.  In a trade back where you mitigate the risk slightly, sure.  But not at 37.  Not in this draft.   Howie might get lucky on this one... but he is clearly over correcting for the Metcalf mistake.  But the Metcalf mistake is just that he chose JJAW... other WRs were also available that are far better than JJAW.

You are correct, my bad, it was Barnett that was drafted way higher than his projection.  As I was looking back, I saw some rankings and mocks that had Barnett as a late 20's / early 2nd rounder.  Jones was considered a top 20 pick before the injury.  But I think he wow'd in his pro day leading up to getting hurt, and that is what I was thinking about.  As a Pac-10 area fan of WSU, I personally was never that impressed with Jones.  

And the board in a pretty strong majority wanted Alvin Kamara.

11 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

So the Eagles starters are resting tonight.  I'm old enough to remember when preseason games had value.  Not for Siriani though.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2021/8/27/22644337/eagles-rest-starters-philadelphia-preseason-game-new-york-jets-jalen-hurts-finale-playing-time-nfl

I think the starters have played more this preseason than in Doug's tenure.  It seems to be an organizational philosophy rather than limited to Sirianni.

I always thought it was a mistake and contributed to the Eagles early season (and all season) rash of injuries -- expecting guys to go from 0-100 miles per hour in Week 1.  We'll see how the injury report looks after Week 3 or 4 this season.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

You are correct, my bad, it was Barnett that was drafted way higher than his projection.  As I was looking back, I saw some rankings and mocks that had Barnett as a late 20's / early 2nd rounder.  Jones was considered a top 20 pick before the injury.  But I think he wow'd in his pro day leading up to getting hurt, and that is what I was thinking about.  As a Pac-10 area fan of WSU, I personally was never that impressed with Jones.  

And the board in a pretty strong majority wanted Alvin Kamara.

It was his pro day that he blew out his Achilles.

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It was his pro day that he blew out his Achilles.

Yes, at the end of the workout, and he had wow'd evaluators before it happened.

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Former Washington star Sidney Jones, widely considered one of the top three cornerback prospects entering next month's NFL draft, suffered a torn Achilles in his left leg during his final drill of UW's Pro Day workout Saturday, sources told The Seattle Times.

22 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

So the Eagles starters are resting tonight.  I'm old enough to remember when preseason games had value.  Not for Siriani though.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2021/8/27/22644337/eagles-rest-starters-philadelphia-preseason-game-new-york-jets-jalen-hurts-finale-playing-time-nfl

Teams have always rested starters in the final preseason game for as long as I can remember.  The only reason people are making a big deal about it is because game 3 is now the last game instead of game 4.