I don't want to see a single poster that doesn't care about the lack of reps for Hurts this preseason even utter the word "rusty" if he stinks it up week 1.

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I don't want to see a single poster that doesn't care about the lack of reps for Hurts this preseason even utter the word "rusty" if he stinks it up week 1.

Will it really be because "he is rusty" if that stink it up thing happens?

12 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

He's on ignore because he told me throwing 57% completion in the BIG EAST is EXACTLY the same thing as throwing 57% in the NFL. So if thats owning... I guess he wins 

I bet $ 1000.00 @Bacarty2 won't ignore me.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I don't want to see a single poster that doesn't care about the lack of reps for Hurts this preseason even utter the word "rusty" if he stinks it up week 1.

He completed 3 passes, all to tight ends, this pre-season.  Everything is fine, he's ready to go.  Hasn't stepped on the field with his #1 WR yet either but that's OK. 

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.  So the Eagles already have an advantage over the Chiefs, Buccaneers, the entire NFC East, Seattle and Green Bay because they aren't letting any teams have their tape....from pre-season. 

I'm so sick of the smartest guy in the room attitude this team has.  

Agreed.  No one had tape on Jalen Hurts, but every team had not problem making half time adjustments and shutting him down in the second half.

Just now, downundermike said:

Agreed.  No one had tape on Jalen Hurts, but every team had not problem making half time adjustments and shutting him down in the second half.

You got it.  Sirianni is trying to ambush ATL in the 1st half.  "No one will see this guy coming!"  

Just now, downundermike said:

Agreed.  No one had tape on Jalen Hurts, but every team had not problem making half time adjustments and shutting him down in the second half.

Careful, someone will get upset.

3 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Will it really be because "he is rusty" if that stink it up thing happens?

No, but you know it'll be an "excuse".

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He completed 3 passes, all to tight ends, this pre-season.  Everything is fine, he's ready to go.  Hasn't stepped on the field with his #1 WR yet either but that's OK. 

Yep. He's got 4 entire games under his belt. Guy doesn't need preseason. Hell, let's hold him out of practice too.

Just now, downundermike said:

The problem is 1st round, 2nd round, 7th round, it doesn't matter, they all appear to be gambles, and he is missing on a lot of them.

Not really.

Let's look at those drafts - 1st three rounds:
2016:  Wentz (2), Seumalo (79)

2017:  Barnett (14), Jones (43), Douglas (99)

2018:  Goeddert (49)

2019:  Dillard (22), Sanders (53), JJAW (57)

2020:  Reagor (21), Hurts (53), [Taylor (103)]

2021:  Smith (10), Dickerson (37), Williams (73)

Jones, Dillard, JJAW are the bad picks. Douglas was meh, but where he was picked that's pretty usual.

Barnett, you want more but he's been productive when healthy, underperformer for his draft slot but not by a wide margin (double digit sack guys are rare).

Sanders is up and down, the droppsies are concerning but he's a big play back.

Goeddert was a steal, Seumalo solid value.

Last two drafts are too early, but if Hurts is top 20 QB, that's a huge steal, Reagor needs to be a reliable starter where he was drafted. Taylor is really a 4th rd pick and if he's a 4th LB, that's value.

Real problem is lack of top 100 picks, 9 in 4 years, those are the players who should be established starters by now.

If the Eagles end up with 3 1sts, either trade up for a franchise QB or down for more picks.

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

How are they developing in a vanilla scheme that is not what they practiced ??

Deep reserves need game snaps because they have few or none, many spent a year on the PS or are rookies. So just getting out there in game conditions aids their development.

It's all relative, Mailata needs more snaps than Lane, who just needs to avoid tweaking that ankle.

12 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I don't want to see a single poster that doesn't care about the lack of reps for Hurts this preseason even utter the word "rusty" if he stinks it up week 1.

Honestly that goes for the Oline, recs, TEs, DBs as well. The Hbs, and LBs are the only starters that have had some play time really. The Dline is one of the easier transitions from preseason to reg season so Im not very concerned with them. 

Im expecting rust from all of the offense and at least the DBs on defense, which in turn will make Hurt look bad as well. Oline breaks down from not being in sync, Recs run wrong or bad routes etc. However, I'm not putting Hurts on an excuse train. He will look rusty as well by his own mistakes. 

Im not expecting to see much of anything till weeks 4 or 5. Weeks 1-3/4 will give them there preseason reps they needed now and missed. 

Just now, Swoop said:

No, but you know it'll be an "excuse".

You are likely right.  The Squirts for Hurts Club will have the Excuse Train running at full speed no matter what all season long.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

I will be pleasantly surprised, but I expect the team to come out and look behind the curve the first few weeks.  

Here's an example of what I mentioned last night about the incessant negativity displayed by fans of the local team. There's no evidence to support this at all -- one way or the other -- yet the default reaction is a negative one. 

7 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

You must not have your reading glasses on.  It clearly said the "depth players".  That obviously wouldn't include Slay, Nelson, or Maddox.  

So rather than McPhearson?  Better than James, including on STs?  I mentioned them too. Look, I am thrilled that with stellar play from the Ss that Douglas was able to hold the fort when Darby went down in 2017.  But he really did nothing afterwards.  Scott and McPhearson are better backups to Maddox and Nelson than Douglas, who couldn’t beat out Mills. We don’t have a Slay replacement but Douglas would certainly not be it.  I just don’t get your attraction to a 4.6 CB on his fourth team.  Plus Douglas, unlike James or McPhearson is a vested veteran.  On the roster the first game and his salary becomes fully guaranteed. Why would they do that.  

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

2016:  Wentz (2), Seumalo (79)

2017:  Barnett (14), Jones (43), Douglas (99)

2018:  Goeddert (49)

2019:  Dillard (22), Sanders (53), JJAW (57)

2020:  Reagor (21), Hurts (53), [Taylor (103)]

2021:  Smith (10), Dickerson (37), Williams (73)

Bolded contributors this year.  Less than half, and with the cap and the money they will want based on performance, I expect Goedert and Barnett to be gone after this year, and JJAWful to be gone if not this year, next.

So of 15 picks, we will have 5 starters, 6 with Dickerson, and 7 contributors on the roster.  Reagor and Taylor will probably never play up to their draft position.

But you continue to tell me about late round success being important, so besides Mailata, who do we have.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Wrong.  Shows up as negative yards rushing.  Another thing that shows why general QB stats fail at measuring a QB success level.  

Not in the NFL. Sack yardage is not included in a team's rushing yardage. In college, I believe it is. But sack yardage is its own separate category in the NFL.

1 hour ago, greend said:

Anyone think there may be validity in the more you try to keep a player from injury possibly the more he thinks about it and gets injured?

I do.

4 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

So if the starters look rusty as hell week 1 then we'll have something to point and blame

4 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Here's an example of what I mentioned last night about the incessant negativity displayed by fans of the local team. There's no evidence to support this at all -- one way or the other -- yet the default reaction is a negative one. 

Is it negative or realistic? 

4 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Here's an example of what I mentioned last night about the incessant negativity displayed by fans of the local team. There's no evidence to support this at all -- one way or the other -- yet the default reaction is a negative one. 

There is plenty of evidence.

A QB who has not taken enough pre season game reps who is holding the ball to long in practice.

A QB who has not taken enough game reps that multiple defensive co ordinators shut down in the second half with no game tape.

An oft injured aging group of starters who will have to get up to game speed week 1 ( see Bruce Arians quote a couple pages ago )

A starting WR who had a bad rookie year, and in the limited game action he had, had several bad drops.

A team with an all new coaching staff implementing a new scheme that has not been used in a game situation.

I could go on, but that is plenty of evidence.

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

So rather than McPhearson?  Better than James, including on STs?  I mentioned them too. Look, I am thrilled that with stellar play from the Ss that Douglas was able to hold the fort when Darby went down in 2017.  But he really did nothing afterwards.  Scott and McPhearson are better backups to Maddox and Nelson than Douglas, who couldn’t beat out Mills. We don’t have a Slay replacement but Douglas would certainly not be it.  I just don’t get your attraction to a 4.6 CB on his fourth team.  Plus Douglas, unlike James or McPhearson is a vested veteran.  On the roster the first game and his salary becomes fully guaranteed. Why would they do that.  

OK.  McPherson and James are awesome.  Give it a few weeks and you will be singing a different song, but enjoy it for now. 

Add:  This team stinks, so I guess it does not matter who they trot out this year.  

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

But who cares what his stat line is in practice? I mean,

Likely the people who tweet it out... or respond to that tweet, whomever those people are.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

My concern is that one of the problems Hurts has demonstrated throughout training camp, according to reports, is that he is holding onto the ball too long.  Getting, even a limited number of snaps, likely gives him a better sense of timing.  

Yup.

11 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Not in the NFL. Sack yardage is not included in a team's rushing yardage. In college, I believe it is. But sack yardage is its own separate category in the NFL.

I have to agree with franklin @BigEFly.  Here is the Eagles game when Wentz was sacked last year.  In the team stats, it counts against the team passing yards.

 

 

Carson passed for 270 yards, deduct the 62 sack yards and the team passing yard total is 208

30 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Speaking of Dillard, I hope he plays tonight. Want to see with my own eyes. 

What a silly take. You actually want to SEE him play for the first time in nearly two years and base your judgment on his actual performance, rather than on random tweets over the course of two seasons which has somehow become defining gospel to Eagles fans all over the world?

I don't know what to expect from Dillard, but if he plays tonight I hope he plays great. But I'm convinced that there are many, many Eagles fans who want to see him suck just so that they can continue to complain about Howie's decisions. It makes them feel better inside to just be constantly negative.

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

There's more than one way to skin a cat. Aaron Rodgers hasn't played a single pre-season snap, I believe. Ditto Russ Wilson and a few others....

You do realize that comparing to long-time NFL vets to a QB that's got only 4 starts under his belt is a bit disingenuous, right?   How many did they get in their second year as a pro/starter?  

11 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Here's an example of what I mentioned last night about the incessant negativity displayed by fans of the local team. There's no evidence to support this at all -- one way or the other -- yet the default reaction is a negative one. 

Yup. Hasn't negatively affected the Rams at all.