Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Gannon probably has to go. Siri probably gets another year with a high pick qb

seriously what good coach would want this job right now??

Technically, Siri deserves a second year under the same BS rationale that Hurts deserved this year.  We knew Hurts wasn't good, and we are starting to accumulate enough information that Siri is in over his head.

My decision at HC would be based on the QB situation.  If we invest in a new, high pick QB, then I'd fire Siri.  I don't want to risk him ruining this QB based on what we've seen from Sirianni so far.  If we don't get a highly drafted QB (frankly, I hope we don't, because this draft class sucks)....then I'd give Siri 1 more year to prove himself.  No decent HC candidate will want to come here anyway.  Might as well give Siri the year with Minshew to show that he can draw up a better offense.

Then, in 2023, if Howie gets fired and we have a reasonable pathway to a young franchise QB, we'll have a shot at a prime HC candidate too.

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Gannon probably has to go. Siri probably gets another year with a high pick qb

seriously what good coach would want this job right now??

 

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

This coaching staff isn’t going anywhere anytime soon . So hopefully there is week over week improvement ,because losing breeds losing , and a cultural that is hard to move on from , there is losing and there is losing with no improvement.

I'm thinking they clean house. You don't change the GM without changing the HC. The HC has to be the GM's guy. As far as an appealing position, I think a lot of coaches would like it. There's some youthful talent on O and two picks in probably the top five and another in the mid-teens. That's a lot of ammo.

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Gannon probably has to go. Siri probably gets another year with a high pick qb

seriously what good coach would want this job right now??

Another point on that...Sirianni's first alarmingly stupid decision was taking this job.  With the QB situation and the owner/GM situation, any coach who took the job clearly did not have good judgement or insight, especially someone taking it as a first time job.

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Except these 300 yards of offense.   But don’t let the facts ruin your narrative.

 

In a monsoon.   Lets not pretend conditions were favorable for QB's lastnight. Everyone was struggling handling the ball lastnight

I’m not happy the eagles are losing but I'm realistic enough to know that’s part of an NFL season and need to except it. What I am pissed off at is the manner in which the team is losing. We are a mess and the coaching staff appear to lack any ability to change the game plan in game when what it becomes clear that the plan you have isn’t working. And the fact they have scored the most points of any team in the fourth quarter through seven weeks isn’t a positive. It just means that teams are letting the eagles back into the game and when someone looks at the stats and the score line in insulation, it can present a false narrative.

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

 

I'm thinking they clean house. You don't change the GM without changing the HC. The HC has to be the GM's guy. As far as an appealing position, I think a lot of coaches would like it. There's some youthful talent on O and two picks in probably the top five and another in the mid-teens. That's a lot of ammo.

That is a bad look , moving on from staff after 17 games , potential coaches will think twice about coming to Philly  , the eagles can have a losing record , they can be lacking talent , but the team can still show improvement week after week . I just don’t see the owner pulling the plug after one year  ,

 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Another point on that...Sirianni's first alarmingly stupid decision was taking this job.  With the QB situation and the owner/GM situation, any coach who took the job clearly did not have good judgement or insight, especially someone taking it as a first time job.

It's not Sirianni's fault this owner basically handed the keys of a Ferrari to a guy that never drove before. Well maybe not Ferrari more of a Prius..

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

 

I'm thinking they clean house. You don't change the GM without changing the HC. The HC has to be the GM's guy. As far as an appealing position, I think a lot of coaches would like it. There's some youthful talent on O and two picks in probably the top five and another in the mid-teens. That's a lot of ammo.

I'm Hoping they clean house, unfortunately Lurie loves him some Howie, and with 2017 SB WIn I'm thinking there is an awfully long leash on Howie. He probably gets two more years of futility before Lurie even begins to think of letting him go.

I mean he Kept Reid about 5 years to long. And he lost the SB, how long does Howie get for a SB WIn in Luries eyes? 

 

 Sadly this is the foreseeable future. 

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

 

I'm thinking they clean house. You don't change the GM without changing the HC. The HC has to be the GM's guy. As far as an appealing position, I think a lot of coaches would like it. There's some youthful talent on O and two picks in probably the top five and another in the mid-teens. That's a lot of ammo.

As much as I want to see them clean house to show me that Lurie isn't delusional and "gets it" that they need sweeping changes...from a purely tactical perspective, I'd rather hold off for a year.

I hate, hate, hate the QB prospects in this draft.  I don't want to overpay for Watson.  IMO, the fastest, best turnaround, actually comes from being patient and doing it right, not forcing it at QB.  Wait for the 2023 draft to make a move at that position.  And if we are going into 2022 with Hurts/Minshew as the QBs, then we aren't going to be able to recruit a great HC Siri replacement either.  

It will enrage the fans, myself included, but I think the smartest move is to just defer next year too before dropping the guillotine on everyone.  Push as many resources into 2023 as possible.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Doesn't matter.  It's a good excuse for everyone but Wentz.  Wentz was bad last night....see.  Because that's what people decided.  So there. 

 

Fight me.  

I have my combat waiver form ready

3 minutes ago, CheesesteakNBeer said:

It's not Sirianni's fault this owner basically handed the keys of a Ferrari to a guy that never drove before. Well maybe not Ferrari more of a Prius..

IMO, they never really handed him the keys...Siri is driving stick because Lurie/Howie can't, but they are sitting shotgun telling him where to turn.

Derek Carr had the second quickest snap to throw time yesterday. The front four can’t get there if we play soft coverages that’s make it easy on the opposing QB. 

Guys were mostly wide open except for some tough grabs on third down by Zay Jones and the TD by Moreau. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Unless you bring in a real GM who knows football and the owner backs away.  Then we can possibly have a seat at the adult table.  Until then.......folding table in the living room.  

 

 

I agree , I just don’t except the owner to do so

24 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

The LBs are playing so far back, it's just easy pickings for teams to move the ball.  Even I can see that.

It's crazy to watch our LBers drop to at least 10 yards from LOS so many times throughout a game.  It's easy pickings for a check down to a RB/TE in the middle for an automatic 8-10 yards.  They're playing on their heels constantly (even on first down/short yardage).  This has to be scheme and coaching because no LB wants that.  Not until the game is out of hand and the other team is running the clock out do they play downhill.  I know we don't have a lot of talent there but half the time they're not in the same zip code.  They're running backwards off the TV screen.  That's scheme and coaching.  Awful scheme and coaching.

21 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The defense is worse because Nick's offense is "clearly working" because the muppet on Twitter will curse and tell us that the All-22 shows that there are receivers open.  So Nick was a good hire.  

 

Seriously, how dumb of a coach can one be to see the opposing punt team on the field and decide to accept a penalty to make it 3rd instead of 4th down?  He makes Doug look like a Rhode Scholar.  

The defense is worse because they're allowing teams to run and pass at will without offering the slightest bit of resistance.  If they face a QB slightly above Hurts' football IQ level they will be picked apart to the tune of 30+ points on the ground and in the air.  There is nothing they hang their hat on.  CBs go unnoticed because why the F would you pick on them when the middle and underneath is wide open every play.  It is honestly one of the worst defensive schemes I have ever seen.  Heck I think Castillo might have had more of a clue.

4 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

That is a bad look , moving on from staff after 17 games , potential coaches will think twice about coming to Philly  , the eagles can have a losing record , they can be lacking talent , but the team can still show improvement week after week . I just don’t see the owner pulling the plug after one year  ,

 

In 2023 with a shot at a franchise QB (if that happens) after Siri was fired after 2 years, I don't think they'd have much trouble recruiting a tier 1 candidate.  If they have Hurts/Minshew and fire Siri after 1 year, then no one will want to touch this franchise with a 10 foot pole.

Also, I don't see how you can fire the HC after 1 year and not fire the GM that hired him and who oversaw 4 wins with a different, also fired, HC from 2020.  It's almost completely indefensible to fire Siri without firing Howie.

35 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I do think this season is the final nail in Roseman's coffin. It will get more and more toxic if the team keeps on the current trajectory and firing the coaching staff won't fix the issues.  Lurie is loyal, but even he can't sit on his hands and look elsewhere.  This roster and cap space is Roseman's mess

I really wish I could believe this. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

In 2023 with a shot at a franchise QB (if that happens) after Siri was fired after 2 years, I don't think they'd have much trouble recruiting a tier 1 candidate.  If they have Hurts/Minshew and fire Siri after 1 year, then no one will want to touch this franchise with a 10 foot pole.

Also, I don't see how you can fire the HC after 1 year and not fire the GM that hired him and who oversaw 4 wins with a different, also fired, HC from 2020.  It's almost completely indefensible to fire Siri without firing Howie.

Siri was a owner’s hire , Howie just agreed 

The biggest problem on offense is the OL, it's really struggled the last couple weeks.

The other problem is Sanders is the only legitimate "runner," as soon as he left the game, Raiders had no fear of Gainwell (solid 3rd down back) or Scott.

It's dogma to downgrade RBs, but a top RB makes a difference, if Sanders hadn't lost his hands, he'd have been a difference maker.

Gannon is between the rock and the hard place, he knows his defense will be gashed if he starts blitzing, he knows they'll be run over if he plays his safeties back, he knows he'll give up big plays if he tries to go cover 1 with a slow FS.

This is why I hate gambling on a young QB, by trading a big package of picks. It only works when you're already a good team, trading 1st rd picks in the 20s.

This team needs a talent infusion, add a DL, LB, and FS and the defense goes from bad to above average.

Shore up the OL and even Hurts will look a lot better. It's hard playing QB on bad teams:

QBR:  Tua (47.6), D Jones (46.7), Darnold (41.7), Mayfield (41.7), Hurts (38.9), Lawrence (38.7), Goff (33.0), Wilson (24.6), Fields (16.7)

ANY/A:  Mayfield (7.05), Hurts (6.39), Tua (6.14), D Jones (6.01), Lawrence (5.24), Darnold (4.99), Wilson (3.42), Fields (2.66)

Who wanted to draft Fields?

16 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That doesn't mean his "scheme is clearly working" , JFC.    I would hope any offensive coach, at this level, can get receivers open.  That's my whole point.  You, H.E. and Bacarty and other knuckle draggers kept pointing to that.  Like that is the only metric a Head Coach is judge by.  He was a bad hire.  It's not his fault he said YES.  He's less qualified to be a head coach than Hurts is to be a starting QB.  And it shows.  

Thats exactly what it means, no need to trivialize it further.  The plays he designs lead to guys running wide ass open over and over again.

And no, not every NFL offensive coach can do it.  

I've watched football for five decades, and the one thing I've learned, if the OL can't consistently pass block, you're f***d.

Because this allows DBs to play tighter coverage since they won't have to maintain coverage for more than 3 seconds.

Then the OC responds by calling shorter routes, trying to get receivers open quicker, allowing the safeties to move up, taking away the run as well.

It all starts up front on both offense and defense.

Lurie has backed himself into a corner and can only get out by walking a very tight rope.

The Eagles are going to be a very crappy team in 2023.  There is no path that avoids this.

I don't know if Lurie can handle 3 consecutive hopeless seasons devoid of optimism.  Does he make decisions to create as much hype as possible, as soon as possible?  (Trade for Watson, or someone else).  Does he make decisions to start fresh as soon as possible?  (Fire Siri, draft a crappy 2022 QB prospect, hire whatever HC is dumb enough to come here).  Does he play the long game and wait for better opportunities at QB and HC, thereby forfeiting 2022 and absorbing the flames that come with that?

Some of these options will allow Lurie to save face and generate a bit of optimism for 2023, but I believe they are all short-sighted and, ultimately, damaging.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The biggest problem on offense is the OL, it's really struggled the last couple weeks.

The other problem is Sanders is the only legitimate "runner," as soon as he left the game, Raiders had no fear of Gainwell (solid 3rd down back) or Scott.

It's dogma to downgrade RBs, but a top RB makes a difference, if Sanders hadn't lost his hands, he'd have been a difference maker.

Gannon is between the rock and the hard place, he knows his defense will be gashed if he starts blitzing, he knows they'll be run over if he plays his safeties back, he knows he'll give up big plays if he tries to go cover 1 with a slow FS.

This is why I hate gambling on a young QB, by trading a big package of picks. It only works when you're already a good team, trading 1st rd picks in the 20s.

This team needs a talent infusion, add a DL, LB, and FS and the defense goes from bad to above average.

Shore up the OL and even Hurts will look a lot better. It's hard playing QB on bad teams:

QBR:  Tua (47.6), D Jones (46.7), Darnold (41.7), Mayfield (41.7), Hurts (38.9), Lawrence (38.7), Goff (33.0), Wilson (24.6), Fields (16.7)

ANY/A:  Mayfield (7.05), Hurts (6.39), Tua (6.14), D Jones (6.01), Lawrence (5.24), Darnold (4.99), Wilson (3.42), Fields (2.66)

Who wanted to draft Fields?

AF, why do you do stuff like this?

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

This is why I hate gambling on a young QB, by trading a big package of picks. It only works when you're already a good team, trading 1st rd picks in the 20s.

You don't have to do this.  Mahomes was drafted #10; Watson #12.  The biggest job the Eagles scouting dept has is to properly identify the right QB in a draft class without a sure-fire QB prospect, make the pick, and develop the QB.

There will be a QB in this draft (maybe more than one) who will be a solid NFL starter.  Player scouting, evaluation, and fit will be paramount.  The Eagles don't even have to draft a QB out of this class; in fact I'd prefer they draft 3 defensive players with their first round picks and select a developmental QB in Round 3 or 4 (yes, I'm talking about Carson Strong or Tyler Shough if he declares)

I do agree that the OL is the biggest need to address in the upcoming draft.

Well, QB is...but I don't see one worth drafting in round 1.

You can turn a defense around pretty quickly.  Setting up a proper OL takes some time.  I'd rather, first, build the nest that will be used for our pending investment in a franchise QB.

I want Evan Neal from Alabama with Miami's first round pick.

Step 1 to getting better is firing Howie

Step 2 to getting better is firing Siri

Nothing else matters till then.