1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eagles blitzed on 28% of the snaps yesterday, against a bad O-line, and the D-line had it's worst performance of the season. All while being the most $$$ invested position group. 

I couldn't tell

It's hard to find the energy to even talk about this team.  They aren't remotely competitive or interesting.  Watching a game now feels like a huge waste of time.  Yesterday looked like the end of Visor idiot's days; the offense is well understood by the opposition, and only serves to get them off the field quickly.

I thought McLane had the correct take on the state of the team:

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/howie-roseman-jeffrey-lurie-eagles-raiders-nick-sirianni-jonathan-gannon-20211025.html

There will undoubtedly be gnashing of teeth about the coaches for the next several weeks, the correct blame is with the owner/GM and his lackey the GM "in title only" sidekick.  They have absolutely destroyed this franchise, and if the owner/GM wants to allow himself to de-facto run the rebuild and the next draft, he will be flirting with some very dangerous territory.  He may very well turn the Eagles into another NY Jets franchise.  Unthinkable coming off a championship four seasons ago.  Never has there been so precipitous a decline.  As Peter King famously said earlier this year... There might be a team in the 55-year history of Super Bowl that has dissolved faster than these Philadelphia Eagles, but I can’t think of one.

A few thoughts on what comes next.

1. Unless and until the owner/GM realizes he is the main problem and fires himself, or more specifically hires and empowers someone to do the job the right way, the Eagles current trajectory is unlikely to change.  Lurie is THE main problem.  Keeping Howie Roseman around is the indicator that the problem has not been addressed.

2. The devastating, franchise direction-altering and indefensible pick of Jalen Hurts is having the exactly predicted result.  Who Jalen is was well known and understood, and the various events that have transpired were all predicted and will continue to evolve.  I can guarantee you most of the other teams aren't surprised at what is happening here.  Nothing against the kid, he seems like a great dude and a great teammate, but few were confused and thought he was a starting QB prospect.  Everyone knew exactly what he was, few players had more college games played.  His selection sent everything right over the edge.  https://www.eaglesmessageboard.com/topic/33-emb-blog-once-again-politics-to-cvon/page/500/?tab=comments#comment-30450

 

3. The dysfunction in the front office (i.e. owner, lackey and everyone else, who can be considered "staff") has also been well documented; now we are hearing of highly regarded coaches that won't come here.  Do we think this will get worse or better?  Many stories have illustrated the problems over the last few years, though the athletic piece had a lot of information -->  https://theathletic.com/2506187/2021/04/12/paranoia-mismanagement-and-office-politics-inside-the-eagles-downfall-under-jeffrey-lurie-howie-roseman/

4. In addition to coaches, now we are starting to see players not want to come here, and players that are here want to leave.  Where do we think that ends?  Watson wasn't agreeing to come here, even if the Birds made the best offer.  Ready to go back to having to "overpay" a free agent to get them to consider your team?  

There is no short term improvement here or anything fun to talk about until the systemic problems are resolved.

If the owner/GM doesn't fix #1 above, and allows himself to manage the re-build in a hands on fashion, he may bring the franchise back to the 1970's.

I wish he was smart enough to identify the root cause of the problems, and maybe he could be, but unfortunately it may be an ego issue that is preventing him from realizing his own culpability in this decline.

I don't see the trajectory changing, even if they have 3 top ten picks in the next draft.  When you have the wrong people selecting the players and the coaches, and the wrong people leading the "culture" of the team, the results aren't going to be there.  This is where the team has gone since the SB, when the owner drew the wrong conclusions and got much more involved and "hands on."

Let's hope the owner/GM chooses success over ego in this next offseason.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eagles blitzed on 28% of the snaps yesterday, against a bad O-line, and the D-line had it's worst performance of the season. All while being the most $$$ invested position group. 

It's hard to believe we blitzed that much.  But, sometimes it is how you blitz, too. If you don't disguise blitzes well, then they are easy to pick up.  Gannon needs to start bringing the safeties in, even if it allows for a couple of more deep passes to be completed.  Force other QBs to hold the ball longer and don't give up all the short dinks and dunks non-stop.

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don’t think he got emotional. He backed it up with reason. You can disagree with that reason, but he did rationalize it. He said he wasn’t close to one of the best 53 guys in camp and isn’t one of the best 53 guys on the roster, so he shouldn’t make the team, unless they can trade him. I disagreed with it, but it’s so far from the worst take I’ve heard it doesn’t even register. I’d give it a 3/10 on a scale of bad takes. And he’s been far and away the most accurate at projecting the Eagles issues and where they stand in their current landscape compared to other Eagles reporters. 

I don’t recall him one time acknowledging the cap ramifications. Not one. He didn’t really put much reason or thought into it, and showed a basic lack of knowledge for how the NFL works. 

Awful stuff. 

3 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

It's hard to believe we blitzed that much.  But, sometimes it is how you blitz, too. If you don't disguise blitzes well, then they are easy to pick up.  Gannon needs to start bringing the safeties in, even if it allows for a couple of more deep passes to be completed.  Force other QBs to hold the ball longer and don't give up all the short dinks and dunks non-stop.

It had to be the most unimaginative blitzes from the 1940's because I don't even recall one. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It had to be the most unimaginative blitzes from the 1940's because I don't even recall one. 

I agree.  Almost 3 out of every 10 snaps was a blitz?  Considering no rushes got home on Carr, that leads me to believe (like many other things) that Gannon truly does ultimately just suck.

6 minutes ago, John_C said:

As Peter King famously said earlier this year... There might be a team in the 55-year history of Super Bowl that has dissolved faster than these Philadelphia Eagles, but I can’t think of one.

Really???   It doesn't even take more than a few seconds.  Denver after 2015?  Giants after 2011?  Tampa Bay after 2002?

Quit listening to Peter King would be a great start.

Nick has a presser in 30 minutes. So, if you want to hear rambling nonsense, tune in.

52 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I have no idea what your point is, but if you're arguing the way a coach speaks and acts doesn't translate to anything, you're completely wrong. 

Im not making a point Im refuting yours

The rah rah talk means nothing. At all.

Thats why Mr Bite Their Knees Off, despite all of his bluster, including shedding actual tears on the podium after an L, still has zero wins.  

They're playing so much better they haven't won a single game

Just now, CaliEagle said:

Nick has a presser in 30 minutes. So, if you want to hear rambling nonsense, tune in.

What if he announces a QB change? 

54 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I think wearing a shirt, or stickers on a hat is a clown move so the play is according to what I expect. 

Dan Campbell may have the worst roster in football but if you've watched any of there games you could tell they're more competitive play in and play out than the Eagles. 

Oh ok

What are their records?

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

What if he announces a QB change? 

That will only happen if Howie allows it.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Really???   It doesn't even take more than a few seconds.  Denver after 2015?  Giants after 2011?  Tampa Bay after 2002?

Quit listening to Peter King would be a great start.

Yup I automatically thought of Tampa.

King has always been a blowhard.

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Im not making a point Im refuting yours

The rah rah talk means nothing. At all.

Thats why Mr Bite Their Knees Off, despite all of his bluster, including shedding actual tears on the podium after an L, still has zero wins.  

They're playing so much better they haven't won a single game

They are a bad team with barely any talent. That's why they don't have a win. They can still buy in to the coach, play for him and be competitive, which is what they are doing. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. 

6 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

It's hard to believe we blitzed that much.  But, sometimes it is how you blitz, too. If you don't disguise blitzes well, then they are easy to pick up.  Gannon needs to start bringing the safeties in, even if it allows for a couple of more deep passes to be completed.  Force other QBs to hold the ball longer and don't give up all the short dinks and dunks non-stop.

If he’s gonna force an aggressive D line to play read & react and let the All Pro DT play out of position so he can get double teamed pushed 3 yards downfield before the linebackers recognize it’s actually a run play, then he needs to play cover 1.  
 One safety over the top and cloud press the WR’s with DB’s off the line, then back to zone coverage.  Pick a LB to blitz the A gap on every down, and the other LB and Safety can play zone. 
 They don’t have a true NT to do what Gannon wants, much less the linebackers. 

54 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

A lot of the same guys on that team that completely quit and openly hated Patricia because of the person he was and whatever ishy culture he built. The team was drinking champagne in the locker room to celebrate him getting fired. 

 

But I'm sure that's just coincidence, or something. 

 

56 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

A lot of the same guys on that team that completely quit and openly hated Patricia because of the person he was and whatever ishy culture he built. The team was drinking champagne in the locker room to celebrate him getting fired. 

 

But I'm sure that's just coincidence, or something. 

They have no wins!

"Hello??"

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  On 4/24/2020 at 11:37 AM, ManuManu said:

I know people are going to quote Reagor’s 4.47, and I’m just a dude on a message board, but there’s no chance that’s his true speed. He carried too much weight. I promise he’s a 4.40 at worst guy. 

Id say hes faster than that even. 

He was a guy I didnt care about at first so I hardly paid attention to him. When I finally watched him I said, Im totally ok with him at 21 because thats DeSean Jackson speed. Hes not just fast.  Hes got that game changing kind of speed. Then I got worried about his run blocking and attitude. And I still am. But its clear he is what we needed. Im totally ok with this pick, and as the board fell I thought he should have been the pick over Jefferson, and even woulda taken him over Lamb based on the fit. 

I think we can't truly evaluate these skill position players until we get a QB that can actually read a defense, throw a timing route accurately, use the middle and/or left half of the field, and go past his first progression.  I was all for Hurts before week 1, and was advocating for him through the TB game.  Last night I saw guys wide open that he didn't even look at.  I've had enough.  Give Minshew the chance, but not to win games.  To evaluate the rest of our young talent with a competent game manager.  Smith, Reagor, Watkins, Goedert, Sanders, Gainwell, Tyree Jackson...ALL have talent.  But we can't truly see what they are until someone delivers them a decent ball.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

 

They have no wins!

"Hello??"

Ok? Wins have nothing to do with whether a coach can influence his roster. No idea why you keep going to a point that makes absolutely no sense. 

46 minutes ago, austinfan said:

And Wentz struggled the first few weeks (in a system he was familar with, so that wasn't an excuse), and improved when the Indy OL improved.

I'm not saying the OL could fix Hurts' faults, like all the other 1st rd QBs who are struggling, he needs time to learn how to play NFL QB (or not). But lacking a stable OL doesn't help.

By and large the OL has been pretty darn good this year.  Like Wentz, Hurts likes to drop back way too deep causing extra work for the OT's.  One of the best DE's in the league had a stellar day against the OL this week.  That will happen.  I'm pretty much off the fence on giving Hurts more time if he continues to regress in literally every aspect of the game.  You can watch his head and see where his eyes are every snap, and they're not downfield.  You can read his face and body language in between plays, and he's completely lost.  Hurts is a back yard football QB on an elementary school playground.  The OL is maybe 10% of the issue.

51 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Gowton might be correct about a lot of stuff, but he lost any credibility when he said the Eagles should cut Dillard in camp. It was just so wildly stupid. 

The amount of poop the media throws out about that kid is ridiculous.  Whenever he's on the field you can see why he was highly regarded as the best pass protector in that draft.

26 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

If he’s gonna force an aggressive D line to play read & react and let the All Pro DT play out of position so he can get double teamed pushed 3 yards downfield before the linebackers recognize it’s actually a run play, then he needs to play cover 1.  
 One safety over the top and cloud press the WR’s with DB’s off the line, then back to zone coverage.  Pick a LB to blitz the A gap on every down, and the other LB and Safety can play zone. 
 They don’t have a true NT to do what Gannon wants, much less the linebackers. 

Yup gannon has said he's going to use his players to their strengths and not any particular scheme but seems he hasn't  accomplished that.

Using Cox as a NT isnt using him to his strength.

The DEs don't have much to use in any scheme 

Nor did the LBs, I mean how is Gannon supposed to best use them if they have zero talent?

The corners have been pretty good and Gannon has used them better but the safeties behind them aren't very talented and Gannon isn't using them properly either.

McLeod was brought in to play in Schwartz cover 1 zone scheme and now in Gannon's cover 2 deep zone scheme  not only is McLeod out of place but after Injury along with age he isn't nearly as talented as he was and even previously it wasnt like he was an all pro.

Gannon has done horribly putting his guys in their best position and Howie and Co have done horribly giving Gannon anybody to put in their best position.

It's just fubar from top to bottom.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nah. Reagor was a terrible pick.  

Doesn't mean he's talentless.

17 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

That will only happen if Howie allows it.

I'm 50/50 that it will happen (Hurts benching) during the bye, right after they play the Giants and Jets or it won't happen at all this season.

I always figured he'd get a full season ... but I figured he would improve at least a little bit

 

Sirianni presser was moved back, will be on in 45 minutes