10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You said 2nd worst, I think we'll have to wait until January to know if the Eagles are 20th or 31st in terms of QB situation.

I do think Meyer is an idiot, if I had Minshew and Lawrence, with Minshew having played two years with the same players, I'd have Minshew starting and Lawrence on the bench until halfway through the season, much like Pederson and McNabb. He may well destroy Lawrence as a QB. Same with Wilson with the Jets.

If the Eagles didn't have all those OL injuries, we might have a better read on Hurts, a lot of stuff works better when the OL is stable and practicing with the skill people week after week, especially plays like RPOs and screens, where timing is key.

Sorry, that was last year.  The OL has been pretty good this year.  Not great, but not the dumpster fire from last year.   Hurts on the other hand might have a better chance at reading a defense if he wasn't so busy bailing out of a perfectly good pocket, to run into pressure to his right, or just completely struggle to see anything to his left.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Meh.   He's not a guy that a team can rely on in a big role.

I think he's able to contribute still. I just don't think he's seeing the field that much.  It doesn't make sense to have Desean and not use even if it is just as a decoy.  

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sorry, that was last year.  The OL has been pretty good this year.  Not great, but not the dumpster fire from last year.   Hurts on the other hand might have a better chance at reading a defense if he wasn't so busy bailing out of a perfectly good pocket, to run into pressure to his right, or just completely struggle to see anything to his left.

You mean we didn't lose Seumalo and Brooks, and play without Mailata and Lane for half the games this season?

Part of the evaluation is how a QB does with things around him not being up to par. You're not going to have a great OL all the time. You have to learn to play through it. Joe Burrow was under duress on almost every passing play last week against the Ravens. He shuffled through it and made great throws all game. The QB has to make it work. Hurts has had pretty decent OL play this year so far.

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think he's able to contribute still. I just don't think he's seeing the field that much.  It doesn't make sense to have Desean and not use even if it is just as a decoy.  

Yes, he can, but in a limited capacity.  

14 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It is much easier for any QB to develop behind a stable OL, because it take time to learn to see the field, and the more you can sit comfortably in the pocket, the more reps you'll have where you have time to go through progressions - and the more you do so, hopefully, the quicker you'll get at it. Especially with today's college QBs, who have almost no experience going through their reads due to the college game being predicated on one or two reads based on mismatches against DBs who are inferior athletes.

Despite the OL shuffling, it has given him plenty good protection. Him bailing the pocket and not sitting there and going through his progressions are far more of an indictment on him than the OL. 

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Part of the evaluation is how a QB does with things around him not being up to par. You're not going to have a great OL all the time. You have to learn to play through it. Joe Burrow was under duress on almost every passing play last week against the Ravens. He shuffled through it and made great throws all game. The QB has to make it work. Hurts has had pretty decent OL play this year so far.

Hurts would still bail the pocket like he did in college behind top OLs. 

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You mean we didn't lose Seumalo and Brooks, and play without Mailata and Lane for half the games this season?

No, I mean the replacements were just fine when they stepped in.  But, hey, if you need an excuse for Hurts' inability to throw a ball down the field, or to the left... do it. 

 

 

BTW... I told you before the season that Brooks would get hurt again, and Lane would miss action.  That did not come as a surprise to me.  Were you surprised?  

11 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Part of the evaluation is how a QB does with things around him not being up to par. You're not going to have a great OL all the time. You have to learn to play through it. Joe Burrow was under duress on almost every passing play last week against the Ravens. He shuffled through it and made great throws all game. The QB has to make it work. Hurts has had pretty decent OL play this year so far.

You also want a QB that elevate the rest of the team when they aren’t as good and keep you competitive and win you games. That’s the type of QB we should be looking for. Not we need it perfect in order for him to have any success. 

Almost any QB can go through his reads when he has all day to pat the ball in the pocket. Going through your reads while you have to maneuver in the pocket a bit is one of the things that starts to separate QBs.

44 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Don't apologize to that fraud

He’s not a fraud. You just don’t like what he says.

43 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im thinking Sean Taylor

Wow. I’m in.

19 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Part of the evaluation is how a QB does with things around him not being up to par. You're not going to have a great OL all the time. You have to learn to play through it. Joe Burrow was under duress on almost every passing play last week against the Ravens. He shuffled through it and made great throws all game. The QB has to make it work. Hurts has had pretty decent OL play this year so far.

The OL hasn't even been close to being terrible this year.   Hurts on the other hand... 

 

 

Fire in the hole!!!

7 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

I agree with everything you just said.

I'm just echoing what Baldwin's said in the past about "no accidents" when it comes to gun owners/shootings

Karma being a *itch?

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hurts would still bail the pocket like he did in college behind top OLs. 

He has... and run right into pressure.   And almost always... to his right.    Does he know there's another 30 yards of width to the field? 

48 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Things I didn't expect to see for $2000, Alex

Matt Pryor's been better there than here for sure, but the Colts turned it around when
a) Wentz could move instead of playing on 2 bad ankles
b) Sam Tevi stopped playing snaps

I do think it's easier to play OL for the Colts than most teams. It's a lot of run-blocking. 

23 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You mean we didn't lose Seumalo and Brooks, and play without Mailata and Lane for half the games this season?

I don't want to hear about the OL vis-a-vis last year until Jamon Brown reappears.

The real trouble starts if the Eagles decide to keep Hurts as their starting QB for 2022

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The real trouble starts if the Eagles decide to keep Hurts as their starting QB for 2022

The real trouble is if Howie is still making decisions for 2022.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

The real trouble is if Howie is still making decisions for 2022.

An embarrassing loss to the Lions might just fix that.

2 hours ago, justrelax said:

I will acknowledge that Beast irked me often and yanked my chain more than once but I find this incarnation as @Original Sin to be civil and his postings to be worthwhile. And he still knows his college football.

yeah cant agree with you there, sorry

4 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Did Tampa Bay really win the Super Bowl last season?

Did Kansas City really win the Super Bowl by adding Mahomes the previous year?

Did the Eagles really win a Super Bowl by adding Wentz (and even Foles) -- in all cases after the roster was built?

He brought up Tampa and said if people think the Eagles can just sign a Tom Brady on the free agent market, don’t hold your breath. I don’t think the Eagles are really a good example and I don’t think the Chiefs are either, really.

4 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Thats a false dichotomy

You should never NOT be building your roster.  Period.

His point wasn’t to not build the roster. Obviously. It was that those 3 first rounders need to end up with them having a franchise QB. Because it’s the one area you have an advantage over the rest of the league right now. 

17 minutes ago, RLC said:

Matt Pryor's been better there than here for sure, but the Colts turned it around when
a) Wentz could move instead of playing on 2 bad ankles
b) Sam Tevi stopped playing snaps

I do think it's easier to play OL for the Colts than most teams. It's a lot of run-blocking. 

Tevi never played. He’s been on IR since week 1. He tore his acl in august. They had Davenport playing LT then when fisher came back and smith got hurt moved him to RT. He was god awful. 

 

This is all I got so far. Interest is waning. 

@LeanMeanGM Eagles 27 Lions 20

Defense gets a pick 6