2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

@NCiggles Happy birthday this weekend.  Get hammered during the game on Sunday and then hand out candy.  Drunk bitter Eagle fan is the best kind when giving out candy to little craps.  

Could go trick or treating at the linc. Giving out free tickets i hear lol 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This is all I got so far. Interest is waning. 

My interest has remained constant.  I really haven't had interest since I was taking the record predictions.  . 

 

If you want my prediction for the game.  I expect that I'll be asleep by 5:00 minutes left in the 2nd quarter.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Could go trick or treating at the linc. Giving out free tickets i hear lol 

Hurts jersey sales increased 500% week 1. Probably a lot of those are going to be handed out. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts jersey sales increased 500% week 1. Probably a lot of those are going to be handed out. 

That’s at goodwill 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts jersey sales increased 500% week 1. Probably a lot of those are going to be handed out. 

He started the season #1, but it seems he may be back to #2. 

@LeanMeanGM  Lions 34, Eagles 19.  Goff throws for over 350 yards.  Sirianni spreads more fertilizer in the postgame presser.

50 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tevi never played. He’s been on IR since week 1. He tore his acl in august. They had Davenport playing LT then when fisher came back and smith got hurt moved him to RT. He was god awful. 

You're right. I was thinking it was him instead of Davenport. Seattle abused him in week 1. Wentz had no chance on a few plays.

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Like I don’t have a problem if the Eagles want to go the route and not draft a quarterback if there’s not one there that they love or can’t acquire one that they love and then just build up the roster. That’s fine with me.

However this overboard we can’t draft a quarterback right now because we’re not ready and we need to build up the team but if there’s one there that the Eagles absolutely love and can acquire we still shouldn’t do it cause we’re not ready with the rebuild, that’s BS. If there’s a quarterback there that is obtainable that you love and think it’s your franchise quarterback for the next decade you go and get him. You don’t screw around. You go get the QB you love. That’s why they went and got Carson Wentz.

In hindsight Goff and Wentz were perceived to be the best of that class and perhaps they were. The class wasn't impressive though, kinda like this year?

41 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

In hindsight Goff and Wentz were perceived to be the best of that class and perhaps they were. The class wasn't impressive though, kinda like this year?

In fairness people on here really didn’t think josh Allen was going to be elite or a can’t miss prospect. Most thought he was going to be a bust and laughed at the bills. And there was a lot of people who also didn’t think mahomes was worth taking at 10 and wasn’t an elite prospect hence why he fell to 10. He was considered a good prospect with a great arm but had warts coming out that he needed to work on. He even said he didn’t know how to read defenses nearly well enough when he got to the league  

id point out everyone was crazy about Jameis and mariota the year before as great prospects. Much better than wentz and Goff by most analyst. The 2016 draft still produced better pros in wentz, Dak and Goff  

 Again this comes down to if the eagles identify one and love that QB then they should go get him. Not dick around and just assume another will come along that they love as much when the roster is built up better. However they can’t just love the idea of having that franchise QB and actually truly believe he’s it 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In fairness people on here really didn’t think josh Allen was going to be elite or a can’t miss prospect. Most thought he was going to be a bust and laughed at the bills. And there was a lot of people who also didn’t think mahomes was worth taking at 10 and wasn’t an elite prospect hence why he fell to 10. He was considered a good prospect with a great arm but had warts coming out that he needed to work on. He even said he didn’t know how to read defenses nearly well enough when he got to the league  

id point out everyone was crazy about Jameis and mariota the year before as great prospects. Much better than wentz and Goff by most analyst. The 2016 draft still produced better pros in wentz, Dak and Goff  

 Again this comes down to if the eagles identify one and love that QB then they should go get him. Not dick around and just assume another will come along that they love as much when the roster is built up better. However they can’t just love the idea of having that franchise QB and actually truly believe he’s it 

What do you mean "was crazy about Jameis?” 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 Again this comes down to if the eagles identify one and love that QB then they should go get him. Not dick around and just assume another will come along that they love as much when the roster is built up better. However they can’t just love the idea of having that franchise QB and actually truly believe he’s it 

Agree.  However, I would think most of us have 2 issues with the Eagles FO.  First, being that they could very well be the type of arrogant asses that talk themselves into a QB they don't really love because they may think they are that close to filling in the puzzle.  Second, if we did a poll here (or if any sports media outlet did one) that asked "Do you trust the FO to draft the right QB?" it would most likely be overwhelming a "NO".  Or, we could even go with a third option, which would be that they could draft the right QB, but because of how their structure is (Lowie wanting be also be the HC and OC) that the poor guy won't get a proper chance to develop and reach his potential. 

In Year 2 Wentz thrived and at the time he had good support around him that allowed that to happen.  He had a QBC who stayed on his ass and an OC who designed plays that played to his strengths.  They also had the right personnel with WRs/TEs who were all above average (even Dropsgalore had his best season) and a good solid ground game.  These are now currently all things a rookie QB won't have to help him unless Lowie comes to their senses and realize they mostly just handle the contracts and let football people handle the personnel and Xs & Os.  But they went down the rabbit hole playing real life Madden so doubtful they come up any time soon.  Only a total implosion and fan revolt could pull them out of their stupor. 

 

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What do you mean "was crazy about Jameis?” 

I should rephrase a lot of people that he was the most talented QB from either the 2015 and 2016 classes. That he had a chance at star potential if he didn’t become too crabby 

4 hours ago, Green_Guinness said:

Agree.  However, I would think most of us have 2 issues with the Eagles FO.  First, being that they could very well be the type of arrogant asses that talk themselves into a QB they don't really love because they may think they are that close to filling in the puzzle.  Second, if we did a poll here (or if any sports media outlet did one) that asked "Do you trust the FO to draft the right QB?" it would most likely be overwhelming a "NO".  Or, we could even go with a third option, which would be that they could draft the right QB, but because of how their structure is (Lowie wanting be also be the HC and OC) that the poor guy won't get a proper chance to develop and reach his potential. 

In Year 2 Wentz thrived and at the time he had good support around him that allowed that to happen.  He had a QBC who stayed on his ass and an OC who designed plays that played to his strengths.  They also had the right personnel with WRs/TEs who were all above average (even Dropsgalore had his best season) and a good solid ground game.  These are now currently all things a rookie QB won't have to help him unless Lowie comes to their senses and realize they mostly just handle the contracts and let football people handle the personnel and Xs & Os.  But they went down the rabbit hole playing real life Madden so doubtful they come up any time soon.  Only a total implosion and fan revolt could pull them out of their stupor. 

 

I don’t disagree the eagles FO is arrogant enough to draft a QB regardless if they truly believe he’s the guy to become a franchise. However lurie isn’t selling the eagles anytime soon and really the one making the decisions then you are going to have that problem whether you draft a QB in 2022 or in 2023 or 2024. That’s going to be an issue until he and howie aren’t making the decisions. So that’s a problem regardless of when they get a QB. So whether it’s this year or next or the year after that poor guy won’t get the proper chance that’s not strictly a 2022 offseason thing. That’s a potential problem until lurie and howie stop ruling over everything 

Just to point out wentz as a rookie had the worst WR group in the league, Lane got suspended for 10 games, rookie vaitai starting at tackle. Barbre missed 4 weeks. Brooks missing game with mental health issues. And doug was not a good play caller outside of the first three games of the year. How many times did we b!|ch about doug not running the ball enough? Or his play calling and game planning being dumb? I think people tend to forget that wentz’s rookie year that doug after the first three weeks was not good to the point people also wanted to fire him by season’s end. He had ertz, sproles, Jordan matthews and celek his rookie year. And ertz really had some issues too at that time that’s the whole cincy incident that occurred. The following offseason the eagles got him the weapons at WR around him in smith and jeffery. They also got wiz starting at guard which very much helped that team. And vaitai grew into the LT role after peters got hurt. They had a rookie coach when they drafted wentz, terrible corners, bad WRs, mediocre running backs besides sproles, barbre missed 4 games, brooks missed games, lane got suspended, i believe Ryan Mathews missed some games with an injury and other issues along the line his rookie season  

again those issues aren’t going away after 2022 when you use those draft picks. Lurie and howie are still there so whenever you decided to get the QB it is going to be a major issue. So acting we can’t do it this offseason cause that could happen. That damn well could happen in 2023 as well. Or 2024 when they select a QB. they could wind up failing to build the team with those picks which as also been their MO and find themselves stuck with no QB and a lack of talent if they don’t hit with those picks. With the lack of young talent the eagles have it could take 3 years to build up the team to put your QB in the best position possible that’s assuming they don’t screw up those picks which isn’t a given.

im also doubting lurie and howie are willing to wait 2 or 3 off seasons to finally address that position when lurie has said in the past if you don’t have a QB you aren’t competing for anything. That’s the exact reason they went all in on wentz even though that team was definitely not built up when they decided to go after him that offseason. That offseason they had questions at one safety position, one of the guard positions, WR and corner. They signed brooks and mcleod in that offseason but neither was considered a big time signings but hopefully they would be solid starters. Both became more. Also a lot of people were down on kelce and thought seumalo was drafted so they would eventually replace kelce with seumalo or wiz would cause people were upset with kelce’s performance the previous year and in 2014

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

This is all I got so far. Interest is waning. 

I'll do this one a bit early this time.  Lions have been mostly competitive even against good teams this season.  They are at home.  Eagles only won because ATL's D was brutal and lost the first game and Darnold tried gift wrapping them a W and the blocked punt.  Otherwise they haven't shown much and at times have looked abysmal on both sides of the ball.  And the play calling on both sides of the ball has been very questionable.  Even though the Lions are winless they seem like the more stable team at the moment. 

Lions 24

Eagles 19 - Trailing 24-13 they score a late TD and miss the 2pt conversion

Bonus:  Lions with over 120 yards rushing and over 280 passing.

 

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

@austinfan

Sorry for being too dismissive. Looking around the NFL, what QB situations wouldn’t you take over Philly?

Id rather have Hurts and Minshew over what’s in Houston, Carolina, Washington. 

Regardless of how the rookie QBs have played, I’d take every one of those guys over what we have moving forward, which is the point. Our QB situation lacks any kind of upside in both the near term and long term. At best, the QBs get us to purgatory, which really is the worst place to be. 

Like I said, wait until the end of the year, the track record of top drafted QBs is so bad I don't care where they were drafted anymore.

The odds of getting a franchise QB (a real one, who is a true difference maker) are so low you can't plan on it. So you're really looking at tier 2 (good to very good QBs) or tier 3 (good enough). Tier 4 doesn't matter (bottom 10 or so) because they're so bad you can pick up a decent veteran and upgrade for a year or two. To me, the difference between tier 2 and tier 3 doesn't come close to the difference in talent between most teams - that is, they're not going to overcome a flawed team so you're talking a marginal improvement.

Big Ben is a good example, call him tier 2 or tier 3, he's never been a franchise QB, but had enough talent around him to win consistently. That's what you hope for.

28 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I should rephrase a lot of people that he was the most talented QB from either the 2015 and 2016 classes. That he had a chance at star potential if he didn’t become too crabby 

Just wait till he plays this team and has a 80% completion percentage and 300 yards. More people will be on the Jameis train with me. 

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!

Not going to quote your whole post, but good points.  Yes, as long as Lowie is calling the shots and has their muppet yes-man HC in place then it doesn't matter the year they pull the trigger on a QB.  We'd have to lose this week to a Lions team that finishes the season either 1-16 or 2-15 and then ourselves finish 4-13 at best for Lurie to take a hard look in the mirror and realize his meddling isn't producing good results.  That it's been a downward spiral into a black hole since the SB win and something has to change starting with him and his little helper monkey. 

I think the majority or even most of us here see 2017 as lightning in a bottle where the stars aligned just right to go with a very temporary Midas Touch.  Now it's really really hard and a constant struggle where every decision and action creates 2-3 more problems.

 

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 That’s the exact reason they went all in on wentz even though that team was definitely not built up when they decided to go after him that offseason. 

2016 Eagles:

Ertz, Peters, Kelce, Brooks, Lane on offense, Cox, Logan, Graham, Barwin, Bradham, Hicks, Kendricks, Jenkins McLeod

Next year they bring in Blount at RB, Jeffrey and Smith at WR, replace Barbre with Wisniewski, sign Jerrigan and Curry, let Barwin and Logan walk, trade for Darby and promote Mills.

4 hours ago, austinfan said:

2016 Eagles:

Ertz, Peters, Kelce, Brooks, Lane on offense, Cox, Logan, Graham, Barwin, Bradham, Hicks, Kendricks, Jenkins McLeod

Next year they bring in Blount at RB, Jeffrey and Smith at WR, replace Barbre with Wisniewski, sign Jerrigan and Curry, let Barwin and Logan walk, trade for Darby and promote Mills.. 

** also with 2017 you are forgetting Patrick robinson, Chris long were huge additions for what they did in 2017 that no one saw them playing that big of a role as they did. Heck robinson nearly was cut in training camp/preseason. Both of those guys played huge roles. 

** traded for Jernigan in the 2017 offseason. not signed him until later in the year they extended him  

** rasul Douglas played a huge role when darby got hurt that wasn’t until 2017 draft they got him. 

** Barnett also gave them an even deeper rotation at DE and along the line didn’t come until 2017 

brooks wasn’t the all pro he was when they signed him. This you forget he missed games that year with mental health issues. And the Texans let him go and he was considered a solid signing. He became a pro bowl talent with stoutland so that wasn’t a definite in 2016 cause that could have been a bust signing with the mental health issues he was having to deal with and struggled with. and then stoutland worked his magic once he got that straight 

lane got suspended yet again so he was dangerously close to being out of football if he screwed up again 

Logan walked the following year. he wasn’t a long term fixture with this team. I wouldnt consider him part of their core as they allowed him to walk away the next year. I’d consider Milton Williams as he’ll be here for 3 more years than Logan was long term 

Hicks was coming off a major injury just like he had throughout college. They hoped he could be the starting linebacker but it was no guarantee he’d hold up which he didn’t. Kendricks was overpaid and overrated to that point (credit to him he played his ass off in 2017)

again mcleod had never played a snap here. And was considered a solid addition not some great player nor if it was known how he’d adapt in Schwartz’s system coming from the rams. He was signed during free agency and the eagles already made the decision (and some trades in motion like kiko and maxwell) to go all in on wentz and move up to get him.

kelce? People thought they drafted seumalo to replace kelce based off his past couple years under chip. There’s a skewed view of kelce now cause he’s been great but the discussion with seumalo when he was drafted was he was likely drafted to replace kelce. Heck people thought wiz could replace kelce if seumalo wasn’t ready and kelce struggled like people were complaining about in the previous season. That was the discussion for the entire offseason 

barwin who was basically done in 2016 and he really didn’t even fit the new scheme. It’s why they moved on from him in 2017. He didn’t fit but they kept him around cause they liked him as a veteran kind of like they have Kerrigan this year as a veteran but basically useless at this stage of his career as a player . 

proven guys they knew they had for the long term was bradham, Graham, curry (curry was a last second re-signing the day before FA where they overpaid him cause chip was dumb and didn’t get the contract done during the season so he could’ve very well left as the eagles made trades to begin going after wentz), jenkins, Cox, ertz, peters, lane (who really was one suspension away from being banned for 2 years) and then they signed brooks and mcleod. Seumalo they hoped could be a starting OL but was a rookie. So i guess if you want to include him too that’s fine. I’d say hicks but he had another major injury after just 5 starts his rookie season after he had multiple in college and it’s why he dropped to round 3. He had hope but he wasn’t some lock long term because of his injury past. They had mills who was bad for most of his rookie season and an unknown and no one opposite of him. Peters who no one knew how much time he had left. People thought kelce might be replaced by seumalo at some point during his rookie year or wiz could take over due to everyone being down on kelce. Their WRs were garbage and so were their CBs. Barwin and Logan weren’t in the long term plans. They had a very good DL, the tight end position was good, their oline had guys in place who still had some question marks, sproles was good but Mathews was the starting RB. Their linebackers was relying on bradham who was good but hicks who had been injury prone since college and Kendricks who had a bad contract. Jenkins was good and they hoped mcleod would fit into Schwartz’s system but that was not a given at the time they began maneuvering for wentz  

At this point this is what the eagles know they have for the future mailata (cause they paid him), Dickerson, Driscoll, seumalo, goedert (assume at worse he’s franchised), devonta smith, watkins, slay, mcleod (due to paying him he’s back next year), maddox ( as he’s played well this year), hargrave and sweat. Potentially McPherson, Williams and tyree jackson can potentially long term fixtures if they pan out. And lane and Cox likely back due to contract but i wouldn’t say either are long term for being here.

I’d still argue the eagles WRs are better than in 2016. Their corners even if nelson walks and they keep maddox and slay are still light years better than 2016. Their linebackers and safety position are a mess kind of like our corners and WRs entering 2016. Our defensive line isn’t as good. Not gonna argue that. Tight end i think goedert is likely your new ertz who can block better but not as good of a receiver. Tyree has upside to be a solid no. 2 tight end (celek was close to the end by that point). Our oline only has Driscoll, seumalo, mailata and Dickerson as long term but still can add even if you get a Qb. The Rb situation is still better imo with gainwell, sanders then it was with an aging sproles and last year Ryan Mathews career. 

either way no one in 2016 when they drafted Carson Wentz thought they were winning a Super Bowl within two years. most fans and pundits thouhht it was gonna take 2 seasons of a rebuild and by 2018 they’d be a SB contender. We were hopeful they could be a playoff team in 2017 if wentz was the real deal and then we’d add more talent around him at WR and at corner and he take another step so we as a team could take another step into 2018 to be a Super Bowl contender. After chip was fired  most thought the eagles needed a rebuild. However wentz played like an MVP in 2017 and the moves they made that offseason/in season with Blount, long, robinson, alshon, Jernigan, darby, foles, Jay ajayi and smith really boosted this team. And they got good play from rookies Barnett and Douglas when darby was out. Add on kelce returning to being a great center and stoutland helping brooks become an all pro. 

8 hours ago, Ipiggles said:

didnt we get a 6th rd pick for Joe? 

 

So Howie pays 2.4M$ in cap sapce for a 6th rd pick. 

 

BRILLIANT!!!!!!   

 

GENUIS!!!

And that 6th from the NYJ is Tampa’s. Howie getting it done ✔️ 

4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This is all I got so far. Interest is waning. 

@LeanMeanGM

Lions 31

Eagles 23

 

* Hockenson makes the Pro Bowl based off of this game 

49 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just wait till he plays this team and has a 80% completion percentage and 300 yards. More people will be on the Jameis train with me. 

You act like that is impressive against the Eagles defense. If thats all he has then he blows

5 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

Kinda surprised.   Does he still think he's a #1 and should be getting more targets?  Seems like a perfect situation for him and a chance to win a SB.

Need to give Hurts time to develop.....like maybe 5 years?

As for Desean,  rumors are Chip told him LA isn’t big enough for the both of them, if Desean leaves, he’ll tank the Cal game. 

5 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Watching a bit of film on the DL class, as there are a few rated in the top 15-20.

Thibodeaux is clearly the #1 prospect; he's really fast at either DE position which is somewhat uncommon.  Would definitely expect him to be the consensus #1 pick

I like Aidan Hutchinson a bit better than George Karlaftis; Hutchinson has a better motor and could play either DE or DT; Karlaftis has some good speed though

DeMarvin Leal has very impressive physical tools and looks like he could get a little bigger at DT.  Raw but very talented.

Thibodeaux is gonna be a good one, this dude ain’t the overhyped nonsense TE, I mean Edge Rusher that Dion Jordan was. 

As for DT, Jordan Davis, done!    That pick alone makes the worst LB core in the NFL way better.   He’s not an every down guy, so hopefully no one wants him really early. Actually give me 1/4 of the Georgia starters on D, that’ll do.  
 

Lions 24, Eagles 20

This team just can't score enough. Can't pick them to win against anyone right now.

Bold prediction: DeAndre Swift has 200 scrimmage yards

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