23 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

@Veejer

 

 

Looks like a dove to me, maybe crossed with a pigeon.  

It is a Rock Dove. It is not a wild type, rather it was produced through selective breeding.

Here is a sample of what can be done through artificial selection:

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

It is a Rock Dove. It is not a wild type, rather it was produced through selective breeding.

So when it was chirping those were the sounds of when a dove cries

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

While I do think Hurts makes extremely poor decisions as a passer, he is also limited by the fact that he lacks the arm and release to deliver the ball and the height to see much.

He’s sort of a bad test taker on a multiple choice exam where every option is already wrong.  

 

are you saying he doesn't have the arm strength?  If so what makes you believe that?

Worth pointing after today everyone cut has to pass waivers. Eagles won't have the Rick Lovato trick up their sleeve. 

7 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

 

are you saying he doesn't have the arm strength?  If so what makes you believe that?

I'd say his passing chart is Exhibit A.  That's either arm strength, vision ..... or Eagles receivers believe the middle of the field is full of land mines.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'd say his passing chart is Exhibit A.  That's either arm strength, vision ..... or Eagles receivers believe the middle of the field is full of land mines.

Could be all 3. 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'd say his passing chart is Exhibit A.  That's either arm strength, vision ..... or Eagles receivers believe the middle of the field is full of land mines.

 

so he has the arm strength to throw 30 yard outs but doesn't have the arm strength to throw it in the middle of the field?   He has thrown multiple 60 + yard balls on the season.  He has shown time and time again arm strength isn't an issue and the folks on here that keep saying his arm isn't strong are clearly wrong.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Have you watched the games?  

how far do you think an avg qb can throw a ball?

jalen hurts arm is plenty strong in the nfl.  And there is proof behind it.   

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

people call me a troll... HOLY F. 

so i am troll for introducing facts?  

2 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

so he has the arm strength to throw 30 yard outs but doesn't have the arm strength to throw it in the middle of the field?   He has thrown multiple 60 + yard balls on the season.  He has shown time and time again arm strength isn't an issue and the folks on here that keep saying his arm isn't strong are clearly wrong.

Throwing distance is much, much different than velocity.  An NFL QB needs velocity to get passes into tight coverage; either that or superb anticipation and ball placement like Drew Brees had.

I said this at draft time last season -- Mayfield, Murray, and Hurts all were QBs at OU; all put up similar numbers.  Mayfield and Murray were #1 overall picks while Hurts was drafted late 2nd round (and had a 3rd round draft grade).  Why?  Mayfield and Murray throw with velocity; Hurts cannot.  NFL evaluators know it.

21 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

are you saying he doesn't have the arm strength?  If so what makes you believe that?

20/20 vision

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

So all the scouts were wrong. Nick Saban Wrong. Everyones eye test on here is wrong, but your right. 

Got it. Jalen Hurts is the Randy Johnson of the NFL. 

https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/

 

 

i don't see any crop hop here.

 

7 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

 

so he has the arm strength to throw 30 yard outs but doesn't have the arm strength to throw it in the middle of the field?   He has thrown multiple 60 + yard balls on the season.  He has shown time and time again arm strength isn't an issue and the folks on here that keep saying his arm isn't strong are clearly wrong.

how far do you think an avg qb can throw a ball?

He has exactly one pass over 60 yards this season. It was about a 40 yard pass to Quez who got another 50 yards after the catch.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

So all the scouts were wrong. Nick Saban Wrong. Everyones eye test on here is wrong, but your right. 

Got it. Jalen Hurts is the Randy Johnson of the NFL. 

That comparison might be spot on. Hurts is killing the birds. 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Throwing distance is much, much different than velocity.  An NFL QB needs velocity to get passes into tight coverage; either that or superb anticipation and ball placement like Drew Brees had.

I said this at draft time last season -- Mayfield, Murray, and Hurts all were QBs at OU; all put up similar numbers.  Mayfield and Murray were #1 overall picks while Hurts was drafted late 2nd round (and had a 3rd round draft grade).  Why?  Mayfield and Murray throw with velocity; Hurts cannot.  NFL evaluators know it.

 

would you say greater velocity = greater distance thrown?

if so does distance = greater velocity?

 

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

He has exactly one pass over 60 yards this season. It was about a 40 yard pass to Quez who got another 50 yards after the catch.

we are talking arm strength here.   60 yard screen passes don't factor into it but 60 yard incompletions do.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Like I said.  Any QB at pretty much any level after high school can throw the ball 50 yards downfield.  No offense,  have you just started watching football?  Or are you 15?  Serious question. 

 

1 the ball travels 60 yards, 2. find me  video evidence of peyton manning throwing a ball 60 yards, or  drew brees, or philip rivers,  ill be happy to give you as much time as possible.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

JFC.  Almost weekly we have a moron that comes along in here to has to take his baptism by fire.  Probably should warm up in Tate before coming here.  

 

you are the dope that can't  count to 60. 

1 minute ago, McMahonHeadband said:

we are talking arm strength here.   60 yard screen passes don't factor into it but 60 yard incompletions do.

what? we talkin about incompletions?!?! not completions. not the completions that we move the chains with and win games. not completions. we talking about incompletions, man.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He threw it 60 yards.  So that means he has a strong arm.  

it does.  Not only did he throw it 60 yards, but he did it without the ability to step up into the throw.....

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Answer the question.  15 or you just started watching football.  

 

ive been a member of tate for 15 years.

Fletcher Cox just posted "Forever Philly" on instagram.  A trade immenent ??

Just now, downundermike said:

Fletcher Cox just posted "Forever Philly" on instagram.  A trade immenent ??

I saw it. I think it's more of a "I'm glad I wasn't traded" kind of post. 

Just now, downundermike said:

Fletcher Cox just posted "Forever Philly" on instagram.  A trade immenent ??

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And because he did that.  That shows you that he has the arm talent to make the requisite throws that makes up for his other inferior qualities?  

 

Sheesh.  What was Saban thinking?  

 

no.  it shows me he doesn't lack the arm strength to play in this league.  which is the only argument i am trying to make here. 

Football is still very simple. The only path to sustained success is a top-10 quarterback. You either have that guy, you're looking for that guy or you have someone who could grow into that guy. I can't imagine even the biggest Hurts supporter would say he's shown anything to suggest he's in the third group. So that puts us as an organization in Group 2 -- should be looking hard for an upgrade, which by most accounts they are.  

Hurts has a pretty solid body of work now between NFL starts and big-time college football. If he was going to become Russ Wilson or even Dak Prescott, we would have seen flashes of it by now. More likely, at best, he lands in the Kirk Cousins zone of a guy who exceeds his draft evaluation but you still aren't going to have sustained success with. And that's a generous best case for Hurts IMO. 

I think we all know all this stuff already but get caught up in the week-to-week and lose the larger framework.