5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I saw it. I think it's more of a "I'm glad I wasn't traded" kind of post. 

 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think that means there was a trade talked about but not going anywhere.  

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He definitely wouldn’t have been charged. My sister actually had something like that happen where she was driving at night and the guy dashed out into the road. And it’s a really not very well lit street due to being an historic neighborhood. she hit him and he died. And she wasn’t speeding, drunk or high. She didn’t face charges. Took her years to get over it cause in college she had met the guy and they found out he had been trying to commit suicide 

Stallworth was drunk at the time and that's why he was charged.  Laws vary widely from state to state in terms of discretion the prosecutor has to charge a driver and the ability to get a conviction.  

1 minute ago, dukebowden said:

Football is still very simple. The only path to sustained success is a top-10 quarterback. You either have that guy, you're looking for that guy or you have someone who could grow into that guy. I can't imagine even the biggest Hurts supporter would say he's shown anything to suggest he's in the third group. So that puts us as an organization in Group 2 -- should be looking hard for an upgrade, which by most accounts they are.  

Hurts has a pretty solid body of work now between NFL starts and big-time college football. If he was going to become Russ Wilson or even Dak Prescott, we would have seen flashes of it by now. More likely, at best, he lands in the Kirk Cousins zone of a guy who exceeds his draft evaluation but you still aren't going to have sustained success with. And that's a generous best case for Hurts IMO. 

I think we all know all this stuff already but get caught up in the week-to-week and lose the larger framework. 

Go back a few pages and see someone calling him a top 12 QB

2 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

 

no.  it shows me he doesn't lack the arm strength to play in this league.  which is the only argument i am trying to make here. 

Cool so he only needs to fix these issues 

9 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

 

would you say greater velocity = greater distance thrown?

if so does distance = greater velocity?

 

No I wouldn't.  Without trying to be obtuse, I would encourage you to discuss the relationship between distance and velocity with a Physics professor.

For the purposes of a football discussion -- Hurts was drafted late in the 2nd round, and not by accident.  He wasn't magically sitting on the board at #53 because no other teams noticed he was available.  There are limitations to his skills and how they translate to the NFL.  He succeeded through the college level because of his athletic traits -- strength, running, durability -- but those only carry a player so far at the pro level against the best athletes in the world. 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

No I wouldn't.  Without trying to be obtuse, I would encourage you to discuss the relationship between distance and velocity with a Physics professor.

For the purposes of a football discussion -- Hurts was drafted late in the 2nd round, and not by accident.  He wasn't magically sitting on the board at #53 because no other teams noticed he was available.  There are limitations to his skills and how they translate to the NFL.  He succeeded through the college level because of his athletic traits -- strength, running, durability -- but those only carry a player so far at the pro level against the best athletes in the world. 

 

well as someone who has a background in physics , velocity is correlated with distance  given the same degree of release.  so the fact that hurts can throw it 60 yards is proof that he has the velocity arm strength to play at this level.  

 

Couldn't pawn off any of these vets??? 😒

 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

 

So Howie failed.... Yet again 

The Eagles are gonna do jack crap, because that would be the dumbest thing for them to do at the deadline.

49 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

It is a Rock Dove. It is not a wild type, rather it was produced through selective breeding.

Here is a sample of what can be done through artificial selection:

I am not sure I understood the term crime against nature until now. 

20 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/

 

 

i don't see any crop hop here.

 

Jalen Hurts Oklahoma 54 (Left) 51 (Right)

Nate Sudfeld, Indiana 54

1 minute ago, McMahonHeadband said:

 

well as someone who has a background in physics , velocity is correlated with distance  given the same degree of release.  so the fact that hurts can throw it 60 yards is proof that he has the velocity arm strength to play at this level.  

Then why isn't he playing at an NFL level?

20 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ahh yes.  You took the bait.  Thank You.  

 

Pretty much any QB at Div2 on up can heave the ball 50+ yards down the field.  That is not the throw that shows "arm talent".  It's the 20-30 yard out patterns to the sidelines.  It's the seam routes in tight coverage.  It's the off balance throws with zip.  He doesn't have any of those throws.  He has to jump into a throw if it's more than 20 yards downfield.  He throws with his whole body.  You don't have to have an arm like John Elway or Pat Mahomes.  But you better be good at one of the following things to make up for it.  Reading the field, accuracy, pre snap decisions and anticipation.  He is below average in all of those areas.  He is not a good passer of the football.  Garbage time stats doesn't make it so.  He is a lower tier thrower of the football.  He's basically Tim Tebow but with better mechanics.  He's a running back who can throw the ball.  Is not a pro QB that can run.  

You mean like the perfect throw to Smith, looking at the tweet, that was on the play shown after the one where he ran in a circle?

 

If you saw Vick play, you would say he had probably one of the strongest arms in the game. He just couldn't read the field and had accuracy issues. Similar to Hurts, but I'd probably take Vick over Hurts anyways.

9 minutes ago, dukebowden said:

Football is still very simple. The only path to sustained success is a top-10 quarterback. You either have that guy, you're looking for that guy or you have someone who could grow into that guy. I can't imagine even the biggest Hurts supporter would say he's shown anything to suggest he's in the third group. So that puts us as an organization in Group 2 -- should be looking hard for an upgrade, which by most accounts they are.  

Hurts has a pretty solid body of work now between NFL starts and big-time college football. If he was going to become Russ Wilson or even Dak Prescott, we would have seen flashes of it by now. More likely, at best, he lands in the Kirk Cousins zone of a guy who exceeds his draft evaluation but you still aren't going to have sustained success with. And that's a generous best case for Hurts IMO. 

I think we all know all this stuff already but get caught up in the week-to-week and lose the larger framework. 

You obviously never saw Eli play QB!

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

If you saw Vick play, you would say he had probably one of the strongest arms in the game. He just couldn't read the field and had accuracy issues. Similar to Hurts, but I'd probably take Vick over Hurts anyways.

By a country mile. 

3 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Then why isn't he playing at an NFL level?

Why isn't Lawrence, Wilson, Fields et al playing at a NFL level?

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

HEAVING THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD 50-60 YARDS IS NOT THE TRUE TESTAMENT OF ARM STRENGTH FOR THE NFL.  

 

JFC kid, how hard is that to understand.  I have seen high school kids heave the ball 50 yards.  Who gives a F about that???!!  It doesn't mean he can make the tough passes that GM's and HC's look for.  Like I said.  20-30 yard outs on a rope.  Tight seam passes on a rope.  Off-platform throws on a rope.  He has to rare back and get into a 20-30 yard pass.  Most pro qb's with arm talent almost zip it with their wrist.  He doesn't have to have that kind of arm talent.  But he certainly can't lack in all of the other areas.  Why do you think the Eagles have looked into other options?  Why do you think they dumbed the offense down for him?  They took the ball out of his hands this past week against a terrible team.  Maybe you know more that Saban....since he benched him.....in a championship game.  Or maybe Saban doesn't realize the importance of being able to throw the ball 50 yards.  What are people thinking??
 

first off its not 50 yards... its 60, with no ability to step up.   that is increidble velocity to produce such distance.  IF one possess that velocity then they possess that velocity on every throw they make.  INcluding 25 yard outs like he completed to smith last sunday.    you clearly don't undertand what hurts is struggling with.   Hurts is not struggling with hard throws, he is struggling with easy throws.   All of hurts completions are among the hardest to make.  

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

No I wouldn't.  Without trying to be obtuse, I would encourage you to discuss the relationship between distance and velocity with a Physics professor.

For the purposes of a football discussion -- Hurts was drafted late in the 2nd round, and not by accident.  He wasn't magically sitting on the board at #53 because no other teams noticed he was available.  There are limitations to his skills and how they translate to the NFL.  He succeeded through the college level because of his athletic traits -- strength, running, durability -- but those only carry a player so far at the pro level against the best athletes in the world. 

Tell it to Dak.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

So your saying every high school and college football player also has the velocity to play at this level. 

 

An nfl ball is signiifcantly larger than a college football.  I would say there are about 20 starting  nfl qb's that can drive a ball 60 yards.  Peyton manning, and , phillip rivers have never been able to do that. 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Why isn't Lawrence, Wilson, Fields et al playing at a NFL level?

Apples and oranges