Watching Chris Simms break down Eagles offense is a thing of beauty. Some tidbits:

- Says Eagles O-Line has a bunch of ass kickers.

- Hurts' ability to run the ball on RPOs is freezing the other team's Linebackers from shooting the gaps.

- The kind of holes Dickerson and Mailata are opening are so wide, you can drive a truck through them.

- Teams are blitzing to stop the run which is opening up the pass game for Hurts.

- Says once Brooks comes back, the Eagles can run damn near a 100% of the time and have success if they wanted too, the O-Line is that good.

- Says Hurts' mechanics still need work, throws with only his arm and doesn't make use of his whole body to power the throw, but is figuring it out.

- Says DeVonta Smith is a superstar WR.

8 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

I’d still much rather have Wentz… and Foles 

36 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Watching Chris Simms break down Eagles offense is a thing of beauty. Some tidbits:

- Says Eagles O-Line has a bunch of ass kickers.

- Hurts' ability to run the ball on RPOs is freezing the other team's Linebackers from shooting the gaps.

- The kind of holes Dickerson and Mailata are opening are so wide, you can drive a truck through them.

- Teams are blitzing to stop the run which is opening up the pass game for Hurts.

- Says once Brooks comes back, the Eagles can run damn near a 100% of the time and have success if they wanted too, the O-Line is that good.

- Says Hurts' mechanics still need work, throws with only his arm and doesn't make use of his whole body to power the throw, but is figuring it out.

- Says DeVonta Smith is a superstar WR.

Simms is such a cocky ****enoozle

@eagle45

Try it... 

10 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I was curious about how Mailata stacked up against the other highest paid left tackles in the NFL. I’m going off PFF because that’s the best we got in terms of grading players for a rough idea of their quality of play. 

It was a great contract the moment it was signed.

Extending talented 3rd/4th year players is good.

4 hours ago, Infam said:

Apart from these stats, one is a real leader that actually can stay healthy.

The "real leader” part is a subjective statement — I haven’t seen tangible evidence 

The stay healthy part is ‘so far’.  Wentz didn’t miss time until about 25 starts along or so — but Hurts does appear to be more durable, no question.

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

Watching Chris Simms break down Eagles offense is a thing of beauty. Some tidbits:

- Says Eagles O-Line has a bunch of ass kickers.

- Hurts' ability to run the ball on RPOs is freezing the other team's Linebackers from shooting the gaps.

- The kind of holes Dickerson and Mailata are opening are so wide, you can drive a truck through them.

- Teams are blitzing to stop the run which is opening up the pass game for Hurts.

- Says once Brooks comes back, the Eagles can run damn near a 100% of the time and have success if they wanted too, the O-Line is that good.

- Says Hurts' mechanics still need work, throws with only his arm and doesn't make use of his whole body to power the throw, but is figuring it out.

- Says DeVonta Smith is a superstar WR.

@jsb235 If you recall, you disagreed with me when I said Denver was in man on Hurts' long run. You said they were in zone. Not so. The play is covered in this clip; it's the fourth Eagles play they review.

Why does the PFF mock draft machine insist on a random draft order… no, the Bears are not going to win the SB… unusable.

Is there any update on Brooks? Is there any projection for when he may return? I know it's foolish to count on anything from him going forward, but....if he can return and stay healthy (unlikely, but not impossible), the O-line could just be unreal. 

DeVonta on GMFB this morning.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah....he needs to hurry back so he can get hurt again.

 

You know what Brooks did the last few seasons with the Eagles?  Season ending injuries. Brooks is gone. There is no Brooks.

A gal can dream, can't she? 

Liked SImms' breakdown, he pretty much captured it. As I pointed out, Hurts' threat to run is a key element of the running game, not how many yards he gets, but the impact on the DE, and as Simms' showed, on the MLB as well.

Brooks should be back after the bye week, if not before. Put him at RG and this OL is ridiculous, 4 earth movers and the most mobile center in the NFL who can consistently hit targets on the second level.

NO will be a good test, the immovable run defense against the irresistible run blocking OL.

I think Johnson will do a lot of work with Hurts this offseason, this year was about Sirianni finding out what everyone can do and what works best, next year is expanding the playbook for Hurts, cleaning up his mechanics, and adding weapons (a big possession WR would be a difference maker, and Sirianni has lots of experience coaching up big WRs with average speed - you can nail these guys in the 3rd or 4th rounds).

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’d still much rather have Wentz… and Foles 

 

At least someone wants Foles.  Not a whole lot do as he sits 3rd in the depth chart behind a really struggling rookie and Andy Dalton. 

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

@jsb235 If you recall, you disagreed with me when I said Denver was in man on Hurts' long run. You said they were in zone. Not so. The play is covered in this clip; it's the fourth Eagles play they review.

I've watched a couple people talk about the play, and they all agree that the Broncos are in man, but it doesn't seem to explain what the linebackers are doing on the play. They would be playing a lot differently if they were in man, i.e. one would follow Stoll on the seam route and the other would follow Jackson on the crosser, which doesn't happen.

Compare the defensive alignments in this video at the 1:37 and 6:12 marks.

Jalen Hurts vs Broncos - YouTube

The first is the completion to Goedert and the second is the running play. Both are described as "cover 1 man," but the linebacker play is completely different. If they were in man on the second play, the linebackers didn't get the memo.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah....he needs to hurry back so he can get hurt again.

 

You know what Brooks did the last few seasons with the Eagles?  Season ending injuries. Brooks is gone. There is no Brooks.

Brooks tore an achilles, made it back 100%, then tore a pec. Completely unrelated injuries, just bad luck.

Before that he missed 6 games in 7 seasons, made the probowl in 2017, 2018, 2019.

I don't think he's finished at 33, with his size and athleticism, he can lose a step and still be dominant.

10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

the fact that we constantly have to bring up "total yards" and rushing yards is all you need to know. 

wake me when a rushing QB wins something

 

Yeah I keep forgetting that they put the ball back at the original spot of the snap since rushing yards don't count and if a TD is scored as the result of QB rushing yards on the drive that they deduct points and do not award the full 6.

 

But hey, at least if you want to completely disregard the rushing production, Hurts still threw 5 more TD passes and 6 less interceptions than Wentz during their first 14 starts. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

At age 33!!!  Yeah, you keep trusting a guy with an injury history to keep coming back Howie.  Good call.  

Jason Peters missed a full season at 30, from 31-34, missed 2 games.

Trent Williams is dominant at 33.

Top OL play at a high level until 35 or so or even older in some cases, Brooks is an athletic freak, he's not your run of the mill starting OL.

Coming out of college at 335 lbs, ran a 4.98 40, even more impressive, 1.71 ten yard split, 32" vertical.  4.58 SS, 7.42 cone drill - those are great number for 300 lb linemen.

 

Cool video - hold on!

 

 

46 minutes ago, justrelax said:

@jsb235 If you recall, you disagreed with me when I said Denver was in man on Hurts' long run. You said they were in zone. Not so. The play is covered in this clip; it's the fourth Eagles play they review.

You are very correct.  Generally speaking, QBs can't get huge runs like that against zone.  The defenders are facing the QB.  But, in man... they don't know where the QB is, until they can figure it out based on how the WR reacts.

36 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

DeVonta on GMFB this morning.

How can someone not like Devonta? Talented, professional, hardworker, good personality. Home run into the upper deck.

11 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Jason Peters missed a full season at 30, from 31-34, missed 2 games.

Trent Williams is dominant at 33.

Top OL play at a high level until 35 or so or even older in some cases, Brooks is an athletic freak, he's not your run of the mill starting OL.

Coming out of college at 335 lbs, ran a 4.98 40, even more impressive, 1.71 ten yard split, 32" vertical.  4.58 SS, 7.42 cone drill - those are great number for 300 lb linemen.

You keep trying to use the outliers to prove the rule.  Brooks was an athletic freak.  What is he now?  He's an aging vet with two busted Achilles injuries in his past, and now other parts of his body are breaking down as well.  He's a great story, but he's not worth his contract for next year, and the Eagles would be wise to move on from him.   The smart move would be to play him as soon as he gets back to health, hope he shows that he's got something left in the tank and move him in a post-June trade for some draft capital.   There's no way that this team can afford him in 2022 with a $19.4M cap hit.   But, Howie is likely not going to act prudently on a rebuilding team, but instead he will try to squeeze every last bit of quality play from him and kick his big contract hit to the future.  Likely taking that $13M salary for 2022, turn the vast majority into a signing bonus, and kick about $9M to the future.  Good news, the cap hit drops to about $10M... $1M base salary, $5.9M in existing prorated signing bonus, and about $3M in new signing bonus... then when he's even older, has absolutely no trade value, the Eagles can take the cap hit then, limiting their options when the team might actually be ready to really compete.  

 

Howie has kicked the can plenty, its time to actually turn the page.  He can move on from Brooks, the team has shown that they don't need him this year, and they can get younger and cheaper to allow them options for building the rest of the roster.  Why continue to repeat the mistakes of the past?

28 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Brooks tore an achilles, made it back 100%, then tore a pec. Completely unrelated injuries, just bad luck.

Before that he missed 6 games in 7 seasons, made the probowl in 2017, 2018, 2019.

I don't think he's finished at 33, with his size and athleticism, he can lose a step and still be dominant.

When keeps happening the same way to the same types of players... when does it cease to be 'luck' and turn into a 'pattern'? 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They are listed by average annual salary.

Makes sense on the 2nd list that lists salary. 

The first list that grades performance should be listed in order of performance grade.

8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

because he's a qb. Not a running back Because rushing QB's never win anything in this league(see Lamar) 

SO keep bragging about how your QB is great at running as we go 6-11. GRRREEEEATTTTT 

Plus keeps with the "he's a rookie narrative" 

 

 

You talk as if Lamar has been in the league for 10+ years.  He is only his 4th year in the league, 3rd as full season starter.  He has won 36 regular season games to only 10 losses.  He became the youngest player in league history to win MVP. 

 

6-11? Have you seen our schedule.  We are 4-6 and you think we are only winning 2 more games the rest of the way?  We have 7 games left with 5 of them against teams with losing records and one of the teams with a winning record (Saints) we are favored against. 

 

Also keep with the he's a rookie narrative?  Where have I said he's a rookie? How is that a narrative  keeping with when I'm not saying that at all?  Is this similar to your statement yesterday pulled out of nowhere completely detached from reality that I love everyone in the front office? 

8 hours ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

So they both suck?

Well, the reaction to Wentz’s career start in here wasn’t dissimilar to that of Hurts.  There was concern about a couple of things with Wentz.  His limited starts in college, basically a year and a half as starter.  (Funny how Hurts benching in favor of Tua is so held against him more than the success of Wentz’s backup at NDSU when he went down with injury is accepted as status quo.). There was extreme concern about the level of competition at NDSU.  He played against players of a lower league and while he played in an offense running the pro set, there was concern about his ability to read NFL defenses.  Those turnovers in his first starts seemed to allow that concern to bear fruit.  2017 made us forget those concerns because he does have an arm and can throw into tight windows.  It is funny that we weren’t concerned he was injury prone until 2017. But the fumbles were beyond frustrating.

With Hurts, the concerns from his college play are still with us.   I am having trouble overcoming my concern on the speed of his reads and pulling the trigger.  He played against that concern the first half last week so maybe he can improve. Still have my doubts.  But he does seem to be making some stride on dropping his eyes and bolting if the first read isn’t to his liking.  He will be tested a bit by the Saints defense this week.  Does he slide back or show a resistance to doing so.  He has improved on his turnovers from his four starts last year.

So the question is will Hurts make a trajectory upward or plateau? Can he overcome his limitations that benched him as a junior at Alabama?   The question for Wentz, who seemed to have plateaued, can he catch lightning in a bottle like 2017 or is he 2019/2020 Wentz for the rest of his career?