Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

I am 44. 

I’m not 40 but too good not to use 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To be honest if Watson didn’t have the issues off the field and was actually willing to come here that’s the guy I think they ultimately would want. Because he’s only 27 so he has at least a decade left in the league (assuming he’s not in prison) and you could still build up the defense over the next couple years with the cap dramatically increasing in 2023 and 2024.

The biggest issue is really in 2022 where your defense is likely going to still be below average due to cap restrictions and losing some if not all those firsts. but your offense has shown it’s got nice weapons in smith, goedert and sanders (when healthy) and a top 10 oline going forward into next year. so adding that QB of either of those caliber should increase the ceiling for the offense and what sirianni is capable of doing. When the salary cap goes up dramatically in 2023 and 2024 you ideally should have money to spend to add pieces. Plus if you don’t give away capital in the 2023 and 2024 drafts you can still add pieces to your defense over the next couple years while your offense could be really dangerous with Deshaun Watson or Russell Wilson. 

All that said, i don’t think they are able to acquire either one. But i think they’d go all in on trying. 

Few QB's can do what Farve and Rodgers have done longevity wise.  Hoping for a decade out of Watson with his play style is just not rational thinking.  You hope for 5 years out of him.

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Carson.

Wentz basically has the same numbers as Dak(carson has missed less games) and has ALWAYS had less talent around him. 

Don’t be silly , Dak has been best in class , it’s ok to say that , it doesn’t mean you’re a cowboy fan 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

I am 44. 

People are talking like Minshew is 44

He could easily continue to develop.  This notion that Minshew is basically who he is at this point, after spending 2 years in a Jacksonville dumpster, is ridiculous.

There is no definitive argument for Hurts having more upside than Minshew based on anything that has occurred on a football field.  

7 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Few QB's can do what Farve and Rodgers have done longevity wise.  Hoping for a decade out of Watson with his play style is just not rational thinking.  You hope for 5 years out of him.

And who says the Eagles have rational thinking? The fact that they be willing to trade for Russell Wilson and I’m not even sure you get five years out of Russell Wilson. And yet they’re super interested in that tells me everything I need to know about their rationalization

Also would add not playing behind a dumpster fire of an offensive line like the Texans have had for years is also likely to help him not take nearly as many hits. The Texans have finished bottom 10 in oline grading according to pff and almost every outlet that grades in every year watson has played for the Texans. it is a significant upgrade going from what the Eagles currently have to what he’s been playing with the Texans. That’s not a small insignificant factor 

also for all the complaining that people have done for Aaron Rodgers about not spending picks high on receivers and weapons they’ve done a good job with That offensive line. It’s been consistently top 15 unit and usually top 10. There’s been years where they haven’t been but That is few and far between. So they might not have invested in wide receivers or running backs or tight ends super high but for the majority of the time he’s been in Green Bay his oline been usually very good. That’s also another factor besides him being great as to why he’s been able to stay playing at a high level 

Hurts is basically a rookie.

 

Minshew is basically a dinosaur. 

4 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Stop stop stop , no it’s not , Dak has been the best QB of that class 

Neither has shown sustained superior performance.  Dak started his career with a strong running game he depended on and grew as that team put elite talent in front of him, putting up some gaudy numbers along the way.  Once again he needs to not melt down down the stretch and compete in the playoffs.  Wentz needs to stay healthy and compete in the playoffs too.

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

Neither has shown sustained superior performance.  Dak started his career with a strong running game he depended on and grew as that team put elite talent in front of him, putting up some gaudy numbers along the way.  Once again he needs to not melt down down the stretch and compete in the playoffs.  Wentz needs to stay healthy and compete in the playoffs too.

4th round pick  no less 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And who says the Eagles have rational thinking? The fact that they be willing to trade for Russell Wilson and I’m not even sure you get five years out of Russell Wilson. And yet they’re super interested in that tells me everything I need to know about their rationalization

Also would add not playing behind a dumpster fire of an offensive line like the Texans have had for years is also likely to help him not take nearly as many hits. The Texans have finished bottom 10 in oline grading according to pff and almost every outlet that grades in every year watson has played for the Texans. it is a significant upgrade going from what the Eagles currently have to what he’s been playing with the Texans. That’s not a small insignificant factor 

You said a decade out of him, not that Eagles.  I was responding to that.  We all know the Eagles FO doesn't think rationally.  OL or not, he doesn't play with his health in mind both on and off the field.

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

4th round pick  no less 

4th +...he was a comp pick to boot.  Not discrediting that he hasn't exceeded expectations.

5 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

I would submit that pass chart is more due to the scheme than Minshew.  They were still mostly running an O tailored to Hurts because for the 1st part of the week they were getting equal snaps with the 1s.  You really think Siri was going to install a totally new O in just 2-3 days time?  Minshew was operating under a playbook designed for Hurts.  Still, the passing game was more efficient than it has been with Hurts with the excepetion of the 1st half vs DEN.  Minshew came in cold, or at least cool, and a bit rusty.  He was good, not great, but gave us a glimpse what the O could look like with a QB who makes quick reads and hangs in the pocket.  

That's the thing some don't understand is that it's not directly about Hurts v Minshew.  It's about Hurts v what could be.  Most agree Minshew isn't a long term answer to QB, but he is a very good capable backup and temporary caretaker.  Siri tried his O to start the season and had to simplify it to something more manageable for Hurts.  That is the issue.

Siri has said Hurts is the starter and will play.  He should be good to go vs the Wankers since they have a bye week.  It will be interesting to see how Hurts plays after the way the O performed vs the Jets, especially in the passing game.  It should be a fair comparison as the Jets and Wankers rank similar in pass 😧

ranking                     NYJ     WFT

pass yds/gm           29th     30th

QBR against            32nd    31st

YPA against            32nd    24th

This is a game vs a team you HAVE to beat if you want to make the playoffs.  He needs to perform well here.

 

He was coming in cold? He has played with the team since the start of the season.  He took starting reps all week.  Minshew primarily made check down throws or screens.  There wasn't an NFL throw on an out pattern.  He didn't make a single throw that Hurts hasn't made. He just was consistent.  Hurts isn't a long term answer but he's probably just as much of a caretaker as Minshew.  Hurts potentially has more upside.  He needs to perform and if he can learn to take an open easy throw consistently then that's good for him.  I really saw nothing different in the passing game than what the team has been doing all season.  Minshew made easy throws consistently.  There weren't a lot of deep drop timing throws he was getting out on super quick.  

WFT isn't the same as the Jets on defense at all. They are near the top of the League in terms of rushing defense.  Much of the success in the passing game was because the team had success running the ball.  There were less 3rd an longs.  It's not like Minshew picked apart the Jets with seem throws or throws in the holes of a zone defense.  I mean all but 2 throws were within 15 yards of the LOS.  

 

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Old Fer

Hey! 
 

 

12 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

You said a decade out of him, not that Eagles.  I was responding to that.  We all know the Eagles FO doesn't think rationally.  OL or not, he doesn't play with his health in mind both on and off the field.

Again I was saying that’s how the Eagles organization would view as they get close to a decade of play out of him as he’s 27 with how the nfl is played now and that’s why I said it.

and big Ben has had off the field issues and gets hit a lot even behind a Steelers a oline that was considered good for a while and yet from 32 to 36 years old he threw 144 touchdowns and 66 interceptions. While completing 66% as passes. So in five years when Deshaun Watson is 32 you don’t think with how the NFL being played nowadays he couldn’t be playing at a high level from 32-35? Maybe he doesn’t but I’m guessing with how the Eagles thing that at 27 years old that they probably can get pretty close to a decade of high-level play out of him. 

you think Aaron Rodgers didn’t benefit from the Green Bay Packers having a top 15 to top 10 offensive line majority of his career? Part of the reason Aaron Rodgers is able to play at the level he is besides being great is that the Packers have done a good job protecting him for a majority of his career.  Yes he’s gotten hurt certain years but for the majority of his career that o-line has been one of the top half units in the league. 

10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

LOL what proof or stats are you bringing to the table on this?
They have the same stats, the same missed games, Wentz's best season was WAY better then Daks best season AND Dak has had more and better talent year in and year out. 

The Wentz bias/hate truly is laughable. 

Stats may be comparable, but when you get to intangibles like leadership, presence or respect of their teammates and coaches... no real comparison.

Eagles twitter is trying to cancel Brian Westbrook 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again I was saying that’s how the Eagles organization would view as they get close to a decade of play out of him with how the nfl is played now and that’s why I said it.

and big Ben has had off the field issues and gets hit a lot even behind a Steelers a oline that was considered good and yet from 32 to 35 years old he threw 138 touchdowns and 66 interceptions. While completing 66% as passes. So in five years when Deshaun Watson is 32 you don’t think with how the NFL being played nowadays he couldn’t be playing at a high level from 32-35?

you think Aaron Rodgers didn’t benefit from the Green Bay Packers having a top 15 to top 10 offensive line majority of his career? Part of the reason Aaron Rodgers is able to play at the level he is besides being great is that the Packers have done a good job protecting him for a majority of his career.  Yes he’s gotten hurt certain years but for the majority of his career that o-line has been one of the top half units in the league. 

Ben can be added to the exception, not the rule.  He also hasn't been an elite QB for almost 5 years now.  Dudes been a shell of his former self for quite some time.

When the hell has Rodgers has a top 10 OL?  They're OL has been a carousel due to injury and sucking for at least the past 6 years.

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

Gannon had a horrific game plan in the first half yesterday. At least he adjusted for the 2nd half and locked it down. I would like to see what he can do when he has an upgrade from Derek Barnett and Singleton on the field. Those two were awful yesterday. 

The argument against trading for any starting QB is that the team is probably 2-3 elite players from having a very good defense.  They would be far better off riding with Hurts and developing the defense.  

23 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Ben can be added to the exception, not the rule.  He also hasn't been an elite QB for almost 5 years now.  Dudes been a shell of his former self for quite some time.

When the hell has Rodgers has a top 10 OL?  They're OL has been a carousel due to injury and sucking for at least the past 6 years.

You act like QBs today when they turn 32 tail off completely. Big Ben has sucked the last 2 years. From 32-36 he was having some of his best seasons in the league. Heck Matt Ryan also from 32-35 had some and their oline was hit and miss year to year. Granted he didn’t run nearly as much. Again with how the league is today from 32 to 35 i think many people could still see him playing at a high-level especially upgrading his oline and protection 

last year pff grading had packers 2 in the league (https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings)

in 2019 the packers were 6th by pff (https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-following-2019-regular-season) 

in 2018 the packers were 7th by pff (https://www.pff.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-17)

in 2017 they were 13th in the league according to pff (https://www.pff.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-17)

in 2016 they were 5th by pff (https://www.catscratchreader.com/platform/amp/2017/1/12/14250034/pro-football-focus-released-its-end-of-season-offensive-line-rankings-how-did-they-rank-the-panthers)

in 2015 they were 7th by pff (https://www.pff.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season)

In 2014 they were 4th by pff (https://www.pff.com/news/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings)

In 2013 they were 10th by pff (https://www.pff.com/news/2013-offensive-line-rankings)

in 2012 they were 21st by pff (https://www.pff.com/news/ranking-the-2012-offensive-lines)

in 2011 they were 11th by pff (https://www.pff.com/news/ranking-the-2011-offensive-lines-part-2)

6 of the last 7 years they’ve been top10 by pff. And in 70% of the last decade were considered a top 10 unit, which is the majority of that decade (would be 80 by they were ranked 11th one year). They had 1 year out of 10 where they were a bottom half of the league unit. And you can dismiss pff but they didn’t make a mistake six consecutive years of them finishing as a top 15 unit. They been consistently pretty good Along the oline for a majority of Aaron Rodgers’ career. Again upgrading from the horrific Texans offensive line to what the Eagles philosophy about oline and usually get with stoutland definitely matters 

48 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

If they end up here should be able to get a CB, LB, and maybe DL that would all be upgrades to the roster.  No chance they go all D, but could also get OL or perhaps a QB.  But for sure will miss out on the top end talent of the draft.

Prime spot for Linderbaum. 

54 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think someone should do an EMB Blog pick em pool for money including all of the Bowl games.  ATS!  I don't know how or where.  But it would be cool.  I just come up with the ideas.  I don't know any of that online ish works.  

@HazletonEagle @e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! @LeanMeanGM @downundermike thoughts?

58 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I know espn and yahoo both do a pick ‘‘em thing for it. Would likely need someone to set up a PayPal or Venmo to have people throw down into. 

I might be able to set one up on draftkings sportsbook. Not sure. Checking.

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eagles twitter is trying to cancel Brian Westbrook 

Why?

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I might be able to set one up on draftkings sportsbook. Not sure. Checking.

nope. cant.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Why?

Because he complimented Minshew. 

 

In this echo chamber of the EMB I don't think the racial angle is prevalent. On Twitter, it is very much so. 

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eagles twitter is trying to cancel Brian Westbrook 

because he is racist?