38 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Assuming were talking about Normal size looking and 50 year old Dean Blandino. 

An old average guy who touches footballs a couple times on sunday vs 6'5'' 225LB Tom Brady who touches balls, lots of balls(see what i did there) every day. 

Go watch a chef handle a hot pan compared to normal betty joe home cook. Watch a carpenter handle tools compared to weekend warrior. 

I'll give a great example of how Dumb Vinovich sounds... My dads best friend, retired union carpenter has about 8 different miter saws because not every miter saw is 35/45/90 degrees. 

What the hell does a carpenter and miter saws have to do with anything?

So if you read the quote again, and maybe go slowly this time, it's Vinovich himself who says the slightly under inflated balls conferred no advantage. You're telling me that Vinovich doesn't handle balls on a regular enough basis to know?? How about the defensive player from Indy? 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's not an either/or proposition.

Right now, Hurts is your best chance to win b/c he makes a good run game elite. He just has to be adequate as a passer to a be better choice than Minshew.

Another false narrative.  Eagles running backs had 38 carries for 173 yards with Minshew as the starter.  Eagles average 160 yards rushing per game.  Our running game is elite because we have an elite offensive line.

And as Lamar Jackson has proven, when the games get tough, you can take away the run, force him to pass, and he will not be effective.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's not an either/or proposition.

Right now, Hurts is your best chance to win b/c he makes a good run game elite. He just has to be adequate as a passer to a be better choice than Minshew.

The question is whether he can improve, his running is a special dimension, but he has to become a good (not great, just good) pocket passer to keep the job in the long run.

Meanwhile, teams are always looking to upgrade, but reality says the odds of landing an elite QB are slim and none, most teams that have one "lucked" into them. A QB fell in the draft or was available for some reason - and picking high in the draft still means beating long odds. Even the top couple picks fail more than they succeed. Trading up means weakening your team for a long shot.

This is a rebuilding year, it's when you show patience, Eagles aren't an 11 win team looking to get further than the 1st rd of the playoffs, they're a 4 win team that's a couple years away from being a serious contender, backing into the playoffs with Minshew won't serve their long-term interests, so he's not going to start unless Hurts melts down - and one bad game doesn't suffice.

Build a team and with any luck, at some point you'll land a QB that can take them to the promised land. As history shows, if you build a good team, you don't need an elite QB, and an elite QB can't elevate an average team.

 

Except he's not. Minshew actually gives us a better chance at winning games. If we want to go for better draft positioning, then Hurts is the guy for that. The Giants game tells you all you need to know. 

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The problem with the Eagles was Reid burning out partially due to his sons. Then came the search for the next HC.

I think the reason they hired Sirianni wasn't this "we can control him" nonsense, but that in his interview he reminded them of a young AR, the hyper-organized coach who had Plan A, Plan B and so on. They had gone to two extremes with Kelly and Pederson, the control freak and the player's coach, and wanted someone who could start from ground zero like in 1999. They wanted someone both organized, but with the people skills to work with the kids and not alienate the veterans. So far, so good.

Fans say they want to rebuild, but as soon as a team starts to rebuild, they freak out over every loss or a player struggling. The point of a rebuild is to give young players a chance to sink or swim, and not panic when they have a bad game, or get too excited when they have a good game. So Just Relax.

The OL struggled to pass block earlier in the season, the shift to run blocking helped Mailata and Dickerson acclimate, and took the pressure off their pass blocking. It also helped them survive a revolving door at RG and the absence of Lane at RT. I'm not solid this is a top 5 pass blocking line if they had to pass block 70% of snaps, but given time they can become one.

 

This post would have been fine in the first month of the season. We're in the home stretch now, and we've seen regression from Hurts and Reagor, two guys we needed to see progression from. 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah, serious disadvantage if it's a key guy....like a QB for the Chargers....That would be a shame.  

May the odds be ever in your favor

Hurts would actually make our run game even more elite if he switched over to being a full time RB instead of QB. 

53 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Jalen Hurts QBR....48.5 ( 21st )

Jalen Hurts QB rating...83.9 ( 26th )

 

And yet his dynamic abilities at the position have helped the team be one of the best offenses in the league since week 8.

The real reason for our dominant O-line

 

 

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

And yet his dynamic abilities at the position have helped the team be one of the best offenses in the league since week 8.

Yes, taking the ball out of his hands as a passer to make the offense as a whole better is really something to hang your hat on.

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah, serious disadvantage if it's a key guy....like a QB for the Chargers....That would be a shame.  

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The deflated balls doesn’t bother me nearly as much. I think Brady still would’ve beaten teams. Heck the second half against the colts in that game he went on to just annihilate the colts.  

Calling him a cheater seems to piss him off.

4 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

@eagle45

 

In all seriousness, I am warming up to Jameson Williams.  If we in fact use all of our 3 first rounders, which I would be shocked if we do.  But he's ridiculously explosive and has some size to him.  As the board starts to form into shape and we miss out on some of the top end defensive talent because we are winning meaningless games, Williams might be BPA in the late teens.  Unless he goes off in the postseason and sky-rockets up the board.  In that case, I am out.  

I even said in my original post that I'm hesitant to go WR in round 1.

I would not draft a WR round 1 unless we draft a QB of the future in round 1 as well.  Otherwise, it's just not worth it to have that kind of talent and investment going unutilized at WR.  The only QB I like in this draft is Carson Strong.  And I like him a lot if his knee checks out. 

I'd be fine with Strong+Williams with picks 1b, 1c with 1a and most of the rest going defense.  If all goes well, that shapes up 2023 as a necessary all-OL draft.

 

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

And yet his dynamic abilities at the position have helped the team be one of the best offenses in the league since week 8.

 

 

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

And yet not letting him throw as often  his dynamic abilities at the position have helped the team be one of the best offenses in the league since week 8.

FYP

Hurts stat line since week 8:

 

63/109 57.8%, 719 yards, 3 TDs, 4 INTs, 71.6 QB rating!

56 Rush attempts 334 yards, 5.96 avg, 3 TDs

Oh man, he's so dynamic! 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wow, his accuracy has gotten worse.  Hard to believe.  

Throwing it away even in practice 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah, but he's thrown 0 interceptions the last two weeks.  Progression, that's what this season is for.  

Imagine your starting QB averaging 11 runs a week, and thinking that's a good thing...

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Hurts stat line since week 8:

 

63/109 57.8%, 719 yards, 3 TDs, 4 INTs, 71.6 QB rating!

56 Rush attempts 334 yards, 5.96 avg, 3 TDs

Oh man, he's so dynamic! 

Reminds me of the Bradford lovers gushing over his last 7 games of the season when it was obvious he wasn’t really making that great of a jump like they were trying to claim to be.  

17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I'm curious about Strong.  But out on him if it's in the 1st round.  

 

But I still bet $5000000 that we trade at least one of the 1sts back for 2023 picks.  

Arm strength, decision making, excellent progressions/awareness of the open option, frame.  

When a QB excels in each of those areas and has no red flags, he has to be a top 5 pick.  Strong excels in each of those areas but has red flags with competition and the knee.  So we are starting with top 5 pick value and bringing it down somewhere mid round 1 (at worst) for level of competition.  Whether the knee puts him still in the teens, into the 20's, or round 2 depends on what the team docs have to say.  If they have good news on the knee, I'd be in on him anywhere in the second half of round 1.

Those red flags add risk, but don't limit his upside.  I don't know if we are going to get a better intersection of value and opportunity to add someone with the ingredients to be a franchise signal caller in this draft OR the next one that everyone seems to be waiting for.

30 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Brady is insanely detail oriented. Like insane. So it makes sense that he would have a preferred PSI of the balls. It was probably very close to the legal limit, but as Brady himself never did the deflating, it's possible the equipment guy went a little further on a few balls. But clearly Brady preferred his PSI to be on the low side of legal, likely flirting with going over. But the very ball they used as proof, the guy who picked it off had no idea it was deflated, says everything you need to know. 

Doesn't account for all the other games balls were deflated.

I agree Brady is/ was very detail oriented in his cheating scandals.

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Doesn't account for all the other games balls were deflated.

I agree Brady is/ was very detail oriented in his cheating scandals.

What other games balls are you even talking about? 

57 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

This Washington thing is getting scary.  21 Players, that's wild.   

few weeks ago I had 15 of my 23 employees at one of my stores out. That sucks but everyone made it through. 2 out of the 15 were vaccinated, 1 out of the rest of us that didn't get sick wasn't. Got my booster today. If I was ever going to get covid though that was the week. 

1 minute ago, greend said:

few weeks ago I had 15 of my 23 employees at one of my stores out. That sucks but everyone made it through. 2 out of the 15 were vaccinated, 1 out of the rest of us that didn't get sick wasn't. Got my booster today. If I was ever going to get covid though that was the week. 

Nice man. It seems like this new variant spreads crazy easy, but with most (up here anyway) being vaccinated, the effects of it seem to be minimal, which is good. They just opened up boosters to us up here starting Monday. 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

What other games balls are you even talking about? 

Every single game that year, the colts game wasn't t the only game the pats allegedly deflated balls, allegedly they had been doing it all year and some have suggested prior years to the colts game as well.

Of course the leagues sham investigation was never going to go into detail about it's golden goose organization/player cheating as they wouldnt have anything to benefit from doing so.

Just like when the league destroyed the evidence In the spygate investigation.