If you cant be "good" playing against a B team at home and getting 200 yards rushing with excellent playcalling then you dont deserve to be in the NFL

Hurts showed me nothing last night, hes exactly what we think he is.  Sirianni had to call that game like Taysom Hill was starting and Hurts still had sloppy plays and a ton of missed reads.

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yep makes sense. And honestly, test the refs. If they aren't going to call it, why not do it till they do? 

And they won't call it every time either.  Which is the way the Seahawks played defense on the back end in their Legion of Boom days.  They just played physically, grabbing, pulling, beating up the Wrs, daring the refs to throw the flag constantly.

 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think that's a great way to improve the team to be a 10-11 win team.  Beat up on the weak sisters of the NFL consistently... and you can get to 0.500 pretty easily.   Pound the rock with the running game as well... keeps the defense fresh.   Lots of draft capital to improve the defense.   Spend a decent pick... maybe a 2nd, at least a 3rd for a RB that you can play ball control with (Spiller would be a nice fit) and let Hurts throw 20-25 times a game.  That will make almost every game 'winnable'.  

BUT... the question will be what does that translate to in the playoffs.  

 

I was on rebuild mode, higher draft picks, etc.  BUT, I've morphed into make the playoffs and see what Hurts does there.  If he proves he can do what he did last night, win or lose, I will feel better about him moving forward.  But, honestly, even if he matches this performance against NYG, WASH and DAL down the stretch... the real test is in the playoffs.  Because that's what really matters.  If you don't have a QB that ALLOWS you to win in the playoffs, you can't move forward with him.  If he can... then you can.

Before the game I was in draft pick mode. Seeing Hurts have that game last night I switched back to playoff mode during the game.

IF Hurts can keep up that level of play, we will be a team like you described where every game is winnable with ball control offense, and strong defense. Thats a stepping stone.

If Hurts keeps this up, but then doesnt improve from there over the course of next year, then you gotta trade a bunch of future draft picks for the QB to complete the team next offseason.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Before the game I was in draft pick mode. Seeing Hurts have that game last night I switched back to playoff mode during the game.

IF Hurts can keep up that level of play, we will be a team like you described where every game is winnable with ball control offense, and strong defense. Thats a stepping stone.

If Hurts keeps this up, but then doesnt improve from there over the course of next year, then you gotta trade a bunch of future draft picks for the QB to complete the team next offseason.

Agreed.   And you'd have the defense in place (assuming someone other than Howie is calling the shots on the defensive picks) and you get the full complement of years with the QB on a rookie deal.  

Hurts played well last night. If he can play that same way consistently and against better teams, he can have another year.

Would rather that than trade three firsts for Wilson. Keep two, trade one so that we have two next year and take a QB then if Hurts doesn't vastly improve.

9 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

After all that fun dancing around the sexual connotations surrounding the tactics of Naval Dive Bombers, I do have an observation regarding our current starting QB.

I bothers me that he doesn't seem to find, presnap, the likely matchups that result in our guys running free and clear through the secondary. I felt bad for Reagor, who needs some positive plays, when he had 10 yards on the safety and was headed for paydirt but Hurtz never saw him. Happens quite a bit, too much to be a choice between several open guys. Take the easy TD or throw into traffic. He can only take the easy TD if he identifies it first. It is obvious Hurtz' entire process is limited to a couple quick looks and go, pull the trigger or run. I can't remember him ever hitting a hot read in the face of a blitz. Dumping off to an outlet is not the same as executing a completion into the areas vacated by a blitzer. That would require presnap recognition and route adjustments at the line. 

He seems to be able to adjust blocking schemes based on D alignments ( or is Kelce doing that?) but checking into pass routes to take advantage of coverage schemes aren't his strong suit. Nick and Shane have shown they can scheme guys open and I'm sure Sirianni has those types of audibles available, everybody does. Why are they not used. Is it too much to put on Hurtz plate? Are they protecting him? Playing to his strengths with RPOs and such and away from his weaknesses?

My takeaway is that all indications are Hurtz is one hell of an athlete, a great teammate and a positive locker room guy but it seems he will always be limited by his processing shortcomings. He'll give you 100% every play but his QB IQ is lacking.

I think Sirianni is just trying to get through the season unscathed, and the price is right. Get the best he can outa the guy and be prepared to move on when a more qualified guy becomes available.

At least, I hope so.

My money is on Kelce making the OL calls.  

I think that one of Hurts' biggest problems remains his pre-snap reads.  That needs to be improved in the offseason.   Trouble is with the new CBA restrictions, he can't sit with the Eagles' coaching staff and work on that with them.   Stupid rules created by the NFLPA in the CBA.   Cutting off their nose to spite their face.   They wanted limited access in the offseason, which is mandated... and means that the player doesn't have the right to seek the coaching from his own coaches, but has to hire independent contractors instead.   Just a foolish limitation that actually hurts young players' development.

11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

If you cant be "good" playing against a B team at home and getting 200 yards rushing with excellent playcalling then you dont deserve to be in the NFL

Hurts showed me nothing last night, hes exactly what we think he is.  Sirianni had to call that game like Taysom Hill was starting and Hurts still had sloppy plays and a ton of missed reads.

Yeah but you're an angry human being so there's that. That said he played well last night and we'll see what happens the rest of the year

12 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

I figured beast would have posted this since he likes to keep us informed of what happens with the bucs.

12 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

If you cant be "good" playing against a B team at home and getting 200 yards rushing with excellent playcalling then you dont deserve to be in the NFL

Hurts showed me nothing last night, hes exactly what we think he is.  Sirianni had to call that game like Taysom Hill was starting and Hurts still had sloppy plays and a ton of missed reads.

This is true.  Which is why this game comes with a '*' for me.  He needs to prove he can be consistent and the matchups on the next 2 Sundays will be pivotal to see if he's learned anything from the last Giants game and see if what he did to Washingteam is sustainable.   

 

But, you are 100% correct.  The offense they are running now is extremely limited... and Hurts is still leaving plays out there.   But, with what he is right now, that's the only style of offense they can run effectively and be successful... as well as to protect the defense which still isn't great by any means.

15 hours ago, olsilverhair said:

what if the eagles lose, what will they pound?

Your booty.

16 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Before the game I was in draft pick mode. Seeing Hurts have that game last night I switched back to playoff mode during the game.

IF Hurts can keep up that level of play, we will be a team like you described where every game is winnable with ball control offense, and strong defense. Thats a stepping stone.

If Hurts keeps this up, but then doesnt improve from there over the course of next year, then you gotta trade a bunch of future draft picks for the QB to complete the team next offseason.

 

Yeah, but we don't have the bold

Just now, DrPhilly said:

 

Yeah, but we don't have the bold

Talking about next year. This draft should significantly improve it. Doesn't even matter if Howie is picking.  This is an awesome defensive draft.  Almost any pick is a good one in the first few rounds. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Talking about next year. This draft should significantly improve it. Doesn't even matter if Howie is picking.  This is an awesome defensive draft.  Almost any pick is a good one in the first few rounds. 

Right ok.  Yeah, I posted it earlier.  If we can generate a great D over the next couple years and the OL stays healthy then Hurts would be enough in my mind to win.  Gotta have the great D and awesome OL though.

1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

Is there anything you need to tell us (and maybe the authorities) with those scales in your front room?

That is actually my office  The scale was my wife's grandmas.  My mom passed two years ago and left me a ton of Elvis memorabilia, and then my wife's grandma passed, and I acquired that scale to weigh Elvis stuff I sell when I create shipping labels.  Selling Elvis stuff sucks, but I work on it every winter once I am housebound, I have made just over $ 2000.00 since I started my listings again in early October.

This game didn't make Hurts a good QB, the same way the Giants game didn't make him a bad QB.

He's learning on the job, this game showed he can play well from the pocket, now he has to do so consistently.

It also showed he has more than enough strength to be a solid pocket QB, it's going to be recognition and anticipation that makes or breaks him, not arm strength.

He had one bad throw, the deep ball to Smith, other than that he was highly accurate, the two drops by Goedert hit him on the hands, the deep ball to Goedert is what you're used to seeing other QBs do, put it where his receiver can make a play - but Eagles just haven't had receivers who can make those plays.

I'm not worried about Smith's numbers, this run heavy offense will make it difficult for any WR to put up big numbers, the question is whether he can make big plays when they're needed, like that sideline catch.

 

11 minutes ago, greend said:

Yeah but you're an angry human being so there's that. That said he played well last night and we'll see what happens the rest of the year

Why???  Why do we just have to see what happens??  Because Howie ish his pants and drafted him and accidentally made him "our guy" by default?

Hurts hasnt earned that.  This is a nightmare scenario and Im just hoping Sirianni is courageous enough to do what needs to be done and move on

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

Not to defend Hurts, but Washington defense> Jets defense. Even with the injuries. 

They are not really that far apart.

Jets 30.6 PPG against, Washington 25 PPG against.

Jets 391 YPG against, Washington 364 YPG against.

They both give up 5.9 yards per play, so they are about the same.

The only reason Jets give up more points and total yards is their offense is 29th in TOP, Washington offense is 7th in TOP

13 minutes ago, greend said:

I figured beast would have posted this since he likes to keep us informed of what happens with the bucs.

Hurts is ahead of Mahomes, quick, call Big Red and see if we can work out a trade!

I don't  think Hurts is #9, but he's easily top 20 so far this year, like most in that 13-20 area, he's inconsistent.

He missed a couple plays, but every QB does, even the top ones, but missing an open WR when you're hitting your TE for 20 yards isn't the end of the world (and until you see the "22", you don't really know if the WR was open). People who want to criticize this performance just don't like Hurts, and will be complaining even if they win the SB (it was the OL and defense . . . )

Now the real issue is sustainability, but for those who diss the WFT defense, remember we were playing with 3rd string OGs on both sides of Kelce, and it showed at times. Hurts was under more pressure than Gilbert most of the game and he still stayed in the pocket.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

This game didn't make Hurts a good QB, the same way the Giants game didn't make him a bad QB.

He's learning on the job, this game showed he can play well from the pocket, now he has to do so consistently.

It also showed he has more than enough strength to be a solid pocket QB, it's going to be recognition and anticipation that makes or breaks him, not arm strength.

He had one bad throw, the deep ball to Smith, other than that he was highly accurate, the two drops by Goedert hit him on the hands, the deep ball to Goedert is what you're used to seeing other QBs do, put it where his receiver can make a play - but Eagles just haven't had receivers who can make those plays.

I'm not worried about Smith's numbers, this run heavy offense will make it difficult for any WR to put up big numbers, the question is whether he can make big plays when they're needed, like that sideline catch.

 

This is just flat out lying

He missed a wide open Gainwell in the end zone--could havef underhanded it to him--and instead throws to a double covered Smith.  We had to kick a FG from the 3 bc Sirianni had no faith in Hurts

His pass to Goedert was clearly underthrown--the defender had it in his hands

His poor pocket presence lead directly to a sack where he stepped up then back within the pocket.  Sanchize called that one out

 

The guy showed nothing last night.

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

My money is on Kelce making the OL calls.  

I think that one of Hurts' biggest problems remains his pre-snap reads.  That needs to be improved in the offseason.   Trouble is with the new CBA restrictions, he can't sit with the Eagles' coaching staff and work on that with them.   Stupid rules created by the NFLPA in the CBA.   Cutting off their nose to spite their face.   They wanted limited access in the offseason, which is mandated... and means that the player doesn't have the right to seek the coaching from his own coaches, but has to hire independent contractors instead.   Just a foolish limitation that actually hurts young players' development.

They ( the NFLPA ) say they want to improve the product on the field but outlaw one of the most effective tools to achieve that.

Seems reasonable...

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Why???  Why do we just have to see what happens??  Because Howie ish his pants and drafted him and accidentally made him "our guy" by default?

Hurts hasnt earned that.  This is a nightmare scenario and Im just hoping Sirianni is courageous enough to do what needs to be done and move on

Because we have no control over it

29 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

If you cant be "good" playing against a B team at home and getting 200 yards rushing with excellent playcalling then you dont deserve to be in the NFL

Hurts showed me nothing last night, hes exactly what we think he is.  Sirianni had to call that game like Taysom Hill was starting and Hurts still had sloppy plays and a ton of missed reads.

Id complain about missed reads when the reads he makes dont result in completions and he has one of those games where he completes like 48% of his passes for 112 yards. 

On a night where he had a great completion percentage, was pretty consistently accurate, and threw for the yardage he did (and easily had 300 yards if not for 2 terrible drops on good passes), theres no room to complain about what fans who dont know the offense perceive as missed reads.

He probably missed some reads, as every QB does. But the reads he made, he completed for the most part. And he had a very good game.

12 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

 

Yeah, but we don't have the bold

Not this year, but we could build one with one draft.

52 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm pretty sure he's on track for another year anyway.   Then again, yesterday also works in the Eagles' favor of trying to flip him to recoup losses in a trade for a vet QB... or to include in a trade for a vet QB.  

I am not sold on Hurts being the guy he was last night consistently... mainly because Washingteam didn't practice before hand, guys were coming back from Covid and may or may not have been dealing with post-Covid fatigue.  Lots of variables there.   All that said, he did what he was supposed to do... go out and dictate to their defense.  The better test will be when the meet again on Jan 2.  Washingteam should be recovered by then, and we'll see if Hurts can do that again.   We'll also see how he handles the Giants' defense that completely stymied him last time.

Overall he played a good game last night.  He didn't dance in the pocket as much and he made some nice throws like the TD to Ward.  He still missed some open WRs and threw into double coverage when he didn't have to.  Lucky for him Goedert climbs the ladder and gets that one long pass.  I thought that was going to be an INT as soon as the S came into the picture frame and a better S would have picked that.  Then the play on the GL where Gainwell was open 1 yard deep in the EZ on a slant and he threw it to the corner for Smith who had 2 defenders near him.  He's still not seeing the field well enough and/or is holding the ball and not pulling the trigger when there's a play to be made and it seems he does that most often when the receiver is in tight spaces near the middle of the field.

It seemed to me that most of his good throws last night came on the move and not from the pocket.  I'd have to watch highlights of the game to confirm this, but that's what it seemed like.  That's fine, but at some point a very good D can at least limit his mobility and force him to have to make throws from the pocket.  So while I did see some progress from him last night, and it was also good to see him bounce back after ishing the bed his last game, I still want to see more from him.  And going against the D that had him playing so poorly is a good test.  I'm curious how he handles this next game.  Will the VaGiants play the same D they deployed last time against him?  If so then will Hurts adjust and how does he perform? 

Yes, very curious to see if he has another bad clunker like last time or if he plays decent to good.  This will give us more of an idea of him as a QB.