10 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Here is an interesting article about the 2021 Draft put together by ESPN.  The size and location of Tier 5 is interesting.  I'm also going to put together a cross reference with the actual Drafted player list to see how that cross reference looked ... who moved up and who moved down.

NFL Draft Talent Tiers - 2021

Welcome to Scouts Inc.'s tier rankings. What are the tier rankings? They are a helpful draft resource for some NFL general managers. (We know of three specifically who utilize this tool.) First, by ranking prospects in tiers it can help resist the urge to take a lower rated player at a position of greater need. Second, it can help to show which portions of a draft class are deep and which are lean -- both in overall talent and at certain positions.

By comparison, the 2012 draft was noticeably stronger at the top -- particularly in Tier 1 (six players), Tier 3 (nine players) and Tier 5 (23 players). The 2012 class also had three quarterbacks -- Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III and Ryan Tannehill in the top three tiers -- but the first signal-caller in 2013 (Geno Smith) doesn't show up until Tier 5.

On the flipside, the 2013 class is significantly stronger on Day 2. In addition, the 2013 class has 107 players in the top seven tiers compared to 94 in 2012.

Here is the final of three editions of 2013 tier rankings.

-- Todd McShay

 

 

Tier Glossary

• Tier 1: These are the elite prospects, those who have the potential to come off the board in the top five overall picks.
• Tier 2: This tier is composed of players who are a notch below elite but are still top-10 quality.
• Tier 3: The prospects will offer good value between picks 10 and 20.
• Tier 4: These prospects have the tools to be good value picks in the late-first round.
• Tier 5: These are the players teams will begin targeting as value picks early in Round 2 should they fall out of Round 1.
• Tier 6: This tier contains prospects who are worthy of mid-to-late-second-round consideration.
• Tier 7: These players rank as solid third-round prospects.

Analysis by ESPN Scouts Inc.

They had Parsons at a tier 3 at 16 and Owusu-Koramoah at 12.  

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Didn’t know if it was posted but apparently Adam caplan said he "can’t imagine” the eagles extending miles sanders due to his injury history. 

Did he reference his NFL GM and coach sources that he talks to because he once had a job with ESPN when he said that? 

15 hours ago, BigEFly said:

In my day, school choice translated into the white kids not going where the POC kids went and little money and resources went to those schools that were primarily minorities.  The poorer neighborhoods didn’t have the money to send their kids anywhere other than the nearby school because of transportation.  In my own neighborhood, the school we were assigned to was "integrated ",  in truth not more than 20% of the school was POC.  Every kid in my neighborhood except my sister, me and two other kids went to a choice school that was 100% white.  Their parents paid for the buses that took them to school. That rubbed my folks the wrong way and we went to the designated school.  Tough on us for friends, but it was the right choice.  Your definition is pie in the sky version sold by the same folks that paid for that bus for their kids. 

Well what we got now is not working. We end up with generations of under prividlideged families who send thier kids to failing schools, so we lesson the standards on the backend - which is a poor bandaid. 

I know if I was a struggling parent, I'd want the best I could do for my kids, so busing them into a better school district would be what I would want. Why should where you live decide how good of an education your child gets? Especially when where you live, is based soley on what you can afford? 

11 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Did he reference his NFL GM and coach sources that he talks to because he once had a job with ESPN when he said that? 

Naw just said it’s a fluid situation….

33 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

 

Let's give him to MONGO! 

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

Well what we got now is not working. We end up with generations of under prividlideged families who send thier kids to failing schools, so we lesson the standards on the backend - which is a poor bandaid. 

I know if I was a struggling parent, I'd want the best I could do for my kids, so busing them into a better school district would be what I would want. Why should where you live decide how good of an education your child gets? Especially when where you live, is based soley on what you can afford? 

Even better, allow low income housing to be built in areas outside of urban ghettos - there's a number of studies that show that's more effective in raising the prospects for poor children.

We've had 50 years of de facto segregation enforced through zoning, red lining and the choices where to locate highways - and that's the reason we have these segregated pockets of poverty, they didn't occur naturally or by accident.

Vai looked 50 

 

23 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Vai looked 50 

 

It’s the mustache 

From his PC today it sounds like Russell Wilson knows his time in SEA is about done.

If I'm a team trading for him I'd want that finger of his checked out medically first. 

2 hours ago, Ipiggles said:

Well what we got now is not working. We end up with generations of under prividlideged families who send thier kids to failing schools, so we lesson the standards on the backend - which is a poor bandaid. 

I know if I was a struggling parent, I'd want the best I could do for my kids, so busing them into a better school district would be what I would want. Why should where you live decide how good of an education your child gets? Especially when where you live, is based soley on what you can afford? 

Seeing as the whole American education system no matter demographics is based off learning to memorize  stuff and how to fill out a bubble sheet I don't think it really matters either way.

 

58 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Vai looked 50 

 

That was the first eagles playoff game I ever saw, too bad the next week didn't go as well.

Having said that look at the size of Byars pads, he looks like he's try to smuggle out an HD TV under those things 😳

Purdue/Tennessee game is getting pretty crazy. I turned it off earlier because it was so one-sided but now it's 45-45 inside of 2 minutes to play. Both teams have over 600 yards of offense.

14 minutes ago, metal said:

Purdue/Tennessee game is getting pretty crazy. I turned it off earlier because it was so one-sided but now it's 45-45 inside of 2 minutes to play. Both teams have over 600 yards of offense.

No Karlafis makes a difference.

3 hours ago, Ipiggles said:

Well what we got now is not working. We end up with generations of under prividlideged families who send thier kids to failing schools, so we lesson the standards on the backend - which is a poor bandaid. 

I know if I was a struggling parent, I'd want the best I could do for my kids, so busing them into a better school district would be what I would want. Why should where you live decide how good of an education your child gets? Especially when where you live, is based soley on what you can afford? 

Because what you can afford dictates a ton in life and its entirely appropriate. Maybe dont have kids if one cant provide for them…

38 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Seeing as the whole American education system no matter demographics is based off learning to memorize  stuff and how to fill out a bubble sheet I don't think it really matters either way.

 

Thats a gross exaggeration 

3 hours ago, Ipiggles said:

Well what we got now is not working. We end up with generations of under prividlideged families who send thier kids to failing schools, so we lesson the standards on the backend - which is a poor bandaid. 

I know if I was a struggling parent, I'd want the best I could do for my kids, so busing them into a better school district would be what I would want. Why should where you live decide how good of an education your child gets? Especially when where you live, is based soley on what you can afford? 

How the hell did this turn from Eagles to this

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Even better, allow low income housing to be built in areas outside of urban ghettos - there's a number of studies that show that's more effective in raising the prospects for poor children.

We've had 50 years of de facto segregation enforced through zoning, red lining and the choices where to locate highways - and that's the reason we have these segregated pockets of poverty, they didn't occur naturally or by accident.

You dont lift people by dragging others down. Low income housing drags down everything for nice areas.

these pockets do occur naturally by generations of stupidity.

 

POV: It's 4:36 PM on Sunday afternoon.  The Eagles are down 35-31 to the Redskins with 4 seconds left in the game at the Redskins 3 yard line.

 

Jalen Hurts:

 

16 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

You dont lift people by dragging others down. Low income housing drags down everything for nice areas.

these pockets do occur naturally by generations of stupidity.

 

No. Those pockets are due to deliberate social policy, when you say low income housing drags down everything, what you mean is "I got mine, f--- you."  Stay in your ghetto with no tax base, no political power and no resources. Have your kids go to substandard schools in crime ridden neighborhoods, while mine go to well funded schools in areas with a high tax base. But "it's an equal playing field" so stop complaining. You should have had the right ancestors.

At least be honest about it, you'd just as soon as send "them" to workhouses, like they did in the Eighteenth Century.

 

I discovered two other RBs I like last night. Should be available later. 

Zamir White- I guess he split the workload with James Cook and maybe that kept him a bit more out of the spotlight. But I happen to think Zamir White is one of the better RBs in this whole draft. I really think he has excellent vision. Hes more of a strong runner, but he does have a really effective jump cut. Plenty of wiggle. Always falls forward, which I love. Not a 4.3 guy but pretty good speed. Reminds me of a prime DeMarco Murray. Hes more dangerous on the edges bursting through with good explosion, but he will definitely stick his nose right up the middle and run behind his pads like a pin ball to pick up tough yardage as well.

In this video, this is every carry from 2020. He will only be getting stronger. You can find a little but of stuff from this year if you want to look.

 

 

And the other one is Brittain Brown. Hes big, hes fast. He has excellent balance. He is strong enough to run out of arm tackles. And I love that he loves to use the stiff arm in the open field. 

 

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

No. Those pockets are due to deliberate social policy, when you say low income housing drags down everything, what you mean is "I got mine, f--- you."  Stay in your ghetto with no tax base, no political power and no resources. Have your kids go to substandard schools in crime ridden neighborhoods, while mine go to well funded schools in areas with a high tax base. But "it's an equal playing field" so stop complaining. You should have had the right ancestors.

At least be honest about it, you'd just as soon as send "them" to workhouses, like they did in the Eighteenth Century.

 

Ive just read that Hassan Haskins has the longest streak of carries in college football without a fumble. Hes over 440 without a fumble. And he can pass protect. 

47 minutes ago, GroundAttack said:

How the hell did this turn from Eagles to this

I’d already be reported from these whiners

Enough money will always allow you to pay for better.  Healthcare, education, security, etc.  And of course money tracks across generations.  It's never going to be fair.

The debate is where and how heavy handedly you want the government to draw the lines between the bottom percentile with no options, the middle group, and the top group that pays for options.  And that line drawing debate can go to CVON.

22 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I discovered two other RBs I like last night. Should be available later. 

Zamir White- I guess he split the workload with James Cook and maybe that kept him a bit more out of the spotlight. But I happen to think Zamir White is one of the better RBs in this whole draft. I really think he has excellent vision. Hes more of a strong runner, but he does have a really effective jump cut. Plenty of wiggle. Always falls forward, which I love. Not a 4.3 guy but pretty good speed. Reminds me of a prime DeMarco Murray. Hes more dangerous on the edges bursting through with good explosion, but he will definitely stick his nose right up the middle and run behind his pads like a pin ball to pick up tough yardage as well.

In this video, this is every carry from 2020. He will only be getting stronger. You can find a little but of stuff from this year if you want to look.

 

 

And the other one is Brittain Brown. Hes big, hes fast. He has excellent balance. He is strong enough to run out of arm tackles. And I love that he loves to use the stiff arm in the open field. 

 

 

 

Watched about a minute of Zamir and wasn't impressed by anything.  Brown looks good though.