3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Why didn’t he stay and beat Tua out in a QB competition.  I mean, he is the better QB, right ???

 

He did stay to compete with Tua and he lost the competition. He didn't run form competition, he could have transferred after he was benched in the title game but he didn't.  He came back, competed, lost but remained a perfect teammate when he could have become a distraction.  Had a moment of redemption coming off the bench to lead the come back with over Georgia in the SEC championship game.  He earned all the respect in the world from his teammates, coaches and fans at Alabama for that and how he conducted himself.  

Do you think Pickett earned respect from his teammates and coaches for bailing on the bowl game after the best season that university saw since the early 80s?

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont like him or dislike him. His hype videos online influencer "leadership" style doesnt convinve me to find him likeable. He may be a good teammate. But he sucks at playing QB. So regardless of whether he is likeable or not, I dont enjoy watching him play. Its painful to watch him F up so many times through each game. 

But I am enjoying watching the team with this dominating run game. 

I think most love the dominate run game other then Lurie/Roseman. Lurie wants a passing offense and Hurts will not be that type of QB to win a shootout with his QB abilities. 

I think the problem with Hurts just like many of the college QBs now is they are not taught to read progressions. They snap, target one read and if its not open they take off or get flustered throwing inaccurate throws or forcing a pass. Its the college offense style that is to blame. These new style QBs colleges lean towards are just not NFL QBs. 

There are only 2 NFL style (progression read) QBs in this draft worth drafting in Pickett and Strong. Strong I don;t trust his knee, and Pickett will more then likey be out of reach and not worth moving up to get. I don;t see any yet in next years draft either. Hurts more then likey will be the starter in 2022 but its not because of him being the future in Lurie/Roseman's eyes. Its more of a lack of options. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Probably because I am one of very few who is always objective whether it proves me right or wrong. Most topics are taken to the extreme on either side by an overwhelming majority of biased agenda driven posters.

Nah, you're just you

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He did stay to compete with Tua and he lost the competition. He didn't run form competition, he could have transferred after he was benched in the title game but he didn't.  He came back, competed, lost but remained a perfect teammate when he could have become a distraction.  Had a moment of redemption coming off the bench to lead the come back with over Georgia in the SEC championship game.  He earned all the respect in the world from his teammates, coaches and fans at Alabama for that and how he conducted himself.  

Do you think Pickett earned respect from his teammates and coaches for bailing on the bowl game after the best season that university saw since the early 80s?

Why didn’t Hurts stay and compete with Tua the following year ??  Isn’t he the better QB ??

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

So everyone was excited about the depth of the draft classes because of the covid opt outs. 

No one ever considered this downside.  Suddenly people are disappointed that a bunch of prospects are 24 years old already. 

 

not a very good draft as far as cant miss guys  or wow guys , the best top few prospects arent  draft eligible 

38 minutes ago, mattwill said:

One position where being older shouldn't be an issue is Running Back.  Since so few Running Backs are worth signing to a second contract at the end of their rookie contract, age isn't a factor.  Having "grown man strength" may actually be an asset.

Frankly, I don’t see any big downside at all in drafting an older (23-24 yr old) prospect.  The way free agency and the hard salary cap is structured now it’s a rarity to be handing out a third contract to players anyway.  
 

It just aids the decision making process in moving on from a player before it’s too late.

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Why didn’t he stay and beat Tua out in a QB competition.  I mean, he is the better QB, right ???

QB as in throwing the ball?  No.

35 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

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If Denver cuts ties with Fangio, I am firing Gannon right away and making that hire. 

I’m all at with Old Man River. Give Gannon some better talent in this years 1st Rd and let’s see what he does, 

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont like him or dislike him. His hype videos online influencer "leadership" style doesnt convinve me to find him likeable. He may be a good teammate. But he sucks at playing QB. So regardless of whether he is likeable or not, I dont enjoy watching him play. Its painful to watch him F up so many times through each game. 

But I am enjoying watching the team with this dominating run game. 

I agree with most of what Hazleton has said here, but one of the things that I often feel is missing from the Hurts discussions here is how much worse our situation could be ... and how much worse the QB situation is for the fans of other teams.  The list below, sorted in number of attempts order lists all the QBs who have played this season.  I probably wouldn't put Hurts above 20 of those QBs, but that still leaves 50 QBs on the list that I would rather not have in place of Hurts.

Player	Team
Tom Brady*	TAM
Patrick Mahomes*	KAN
Justin Herbert*	LAC
Josh Allen	BUF
Derek Carr	LVR
Trevor Lawrence	JAX
Kirk Cousins	MIN
Matthew Stafford	LAR
Dak Prescott	DAL
Ben Roethlisberger	PIT
Matt Ryan	ATL
Joe Burrow	CIN
Ryan Tannehill	TEN
Aaron Rodgers*	GNB
Jared Goff	DET
Mac Jones	NWE
Carson Wentz	IND
Taylor Heinicke	WAS
Teddy Bridgewater	DEN
Jimmy Garoppolo	SFO
Jalen Hurts	PHI
Kyler Murray*	ARI
Lamar Jackson*	BAL
Baker Mayfield	CLE
Daniel Jones	NYG
Russell Wilson	SEA
Sam Darnold	CAR
Zach Wilson	NYJ
Davis Mills	HOU
Tua Tagovailoa	MIA
Justin Fields	CHI
Jacoby Brissett	MIA
Trevor Siemian	NOR
Jameis Winston	NOR
Mike Glennon	NYG
Andy Dalton	CHI
Tyrod Taylor	HOU
Mike White	NYJ
Cam Newton	CAR
Tyler Huntley	BAL
Colt McCoy	ARI
Taysom Hill	NOR
Geno Smith	SEA
Josh Johnson	2Teams
P.J. Walker	CAR
Drew Lock	DEN
Mason Rudolph	PIT
Tim Boyle	DET
Trey Lance	SFO
Case Keenum	CLE
Cooper Rush	DAL
Joe Flacco	NYJ
Jordan Love	GNB
Nick Foles	CHI
Garrett Gilbert	WAS
Nick Mullens	CLE
Jake Fromm	NYG
Gardner Minshew II	PHI
Ian Book	NOR
Kyle Allen	WAS
Chad Henne	KAN
Josh Rosen	ATL
Blaine Gabbert	TAM
Chris Streveler	ARI
Brian Hoyer	NWE
Mitchell Trubisky	BUF
C.J. Beathard	JAX

 

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Why didn’t Hurts stay and compete with Tua the following year ??  Isn’t he the better QB ??

 

Do I need to repeat my entire post because I already answered.  He did come back and compete. 

21 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

26 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

 

I dont like him or dislike him. His hype videos online influencer "leadership" style doesnt convinve me to find him likeable.

This comment may best summarize my feeling on Hurts.  I am sick of hearing about these intangibles, I want to see the results on the field.

 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Do I need to repeat my entire post because I already answered.  He did come back and compete. 

When he went to Oklahoma, he didn’t have to leave Alabama.  He transferred in March.  Why didn’t he stay and beat out Tua in the Spring of 2019 ??

Just now, downundermike said:

When he went to Oklahoma, he didn’t have to leave Alabama.  He transferred in March.  Why didn’t he stay and beat out Tua in the Spring of 2019 ??

 

Because he already competed with him the year prior and lost.  There was no longer a competition.  It was the final year of Hurts college eligibility. 

 

Are you going to keep trying to drive this false point into the ground?  

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

This comment may best summarize my feeling on Hurts.  I am sick of hearing about these intangibles, I want to see the results on the field.

 

But when you do all you try to do then is nitpick and take apart anyway you can because it wasn't perfection.  You hate Hurts and root against the team and it's pretty clear to everyone. 

More than anything, I find this daily discussion over whether Hurts is the franchise future or not premature.  Hurts is clearly not a finished product.  It is his first full year as a starter.  He is going to have ups and downs.  Good games and bad games.  What I like about him is that he has stayed focused on the task at hand which is winning and getting better as a player.  From my point of view, it seems like he puts a little too much pressure on himself to carry the team at the beginning of games.  Once he settles down and lets the game come to him, he plays better and is more comfortable in the pocket.  He is good enough to win in this league and lead an offense.  

The question of whether or not he is the future of the franchise comes down to the viable alternatives through the draft or trades.  At this point, I don't see the alternative that doesn't cost the opportunity for the team to get better at other positions, which they clearly need to do.    

12 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, loyalty to your teammates, school, maybe even your coaches... or just being principled enough to meet your obligations to a commitment plays a role in finishing the season with your team.  But these days, its always about oneself and far less about anyone else.  Coaches dip early, so why shouldnt players?   Shame... there was a time that a handshake was all that was necessary.

Oh lord. Back when men were men and...

Well, sitting in the subway is about 50/50 Eagles/Football team fan presence. 

32 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I know this means nothing but come on, it was clownish enough when Washington did it

25 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Oh lord. Back when men were men and...

... rubbers weren't invented, they tied their socks around their hens and babies were prevented.

 

29 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

You hate Hurts and root against the team and it's pretty clear to everyone. 

You can not find one person to back that up.  And unlike you, who had to be asked 50 times when it came to Foles, I want the Jalen Hurts led Philadelphia Eagles to win the Super Bowl.  I just don’t see it happening.

Just now, downundermike said:

You can not find one person to back that up.  And unlike you, who had to be asked 50 times when it came to Foles, I want the Jalen Hurts led Philadelphia Eagles to win the Super Bowl.  I just don’t see it happening.

 

Not sure how you can want Jalen Hurts to lead the Eagles to the Super Bowl when you have made it known and have argued that you don't want the Eagles to make the playoffs because getting something like the 18th pick would be more valuable than the 20th pick in the draft if they do make the playoffs.  

Ready for a letdown today