9 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

The Eagles only beat 2 teams in 2017 with a winning record. Cowboys and Rams. Only one playoff team.

They also beat the 11-5 Panthers, 9-7 Chargers

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Yes, they are your opinion, but they are not rational.  You said there was 17-18 starters in that post, then you were 100% proven wrong, and you tried to qualify that player x, y and z, even though they are not really a starter, in your mind they are a starter.  You were proven wrong, get over it.

I never said 17-18 starters.  I specifically gave a "range" of players that could start or get significant playing time.  And some of the players we discussed we just drafted last year so of course there is speculation involved.   And even with all the disagreeing, speculation, etc I managed to get the #1 Howie critic on the board to (at least admit) that 12-13 of the players would fit that mold.   And we will find out within a year or so if the others do as well. 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

I never said 17-18 starters.  I specifically gave a "range" of players that could start or get significant playing time.  And some of the players we discussed we just drafted last year so of course there is speculation involved.   And even with all the disagreeing, speculation, etc I managed to get the #1 Howie critic on the board to (at least admit) that 12-13 of the players would fit that mold.   And we will find out within a year or so if the others do as well. 

 

13 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Yep, undercover Dallas fan.  Or else you would be aware that the Eagles are starting 17-18 players that were drafted since 2018.  That's almost 5 starters per draft.  Well above national averages. 

"rational" 

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I have a high ceiling. 

 

 

But my floor is rock bottom.

Actually, with late round draft picks, that is usually the case.  Well done. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

"rational" 

Go back and read the original post, slick.  That was a tongue-in-cheek jab at a follow up post.  

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Actually, with late round draft picks, that is usually the case.  Well done. 

39 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

If the same thing happened to you at your work place, you'd also be looking/get a new job. 

Side note, you're gonna think what could of been whenever he has a successful  game, or even a bad game. It's human nature. 

What exactly happened to him???

I don't watch Indianapolis games, I don't think what could have been because like I said about the only time Wentz crosses my mind is when I wonder if he's played enough to get eagles a higher draft pick.

Other than that why should I care?

Would have been nice if Wentz could have replicated his 2017 season( without the Injury)

Would have been one less thing to worry about, but he never did and I think as much as he soured on the organization at the end of it lots of fans soured on him as well 

I'll always be thankful he played Like an MVP in 2017 eagles don't get to a super bowl without his contributions that year but other than that Wentz is in my rear view mirror and I'd rather look straight ahead and give my attention to the eagles.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

So late round draft picks aren't guys like Mailata with potential high ceilings but could just as easily be busts?  Are you feeling well today? 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Go back and read the original post, slick.  That was a tongue-in-cheek jab at a follow up post.  

 

13 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

The draft is his glaring problem

Yea, great tongue in cheek jab. Got em.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Yea, great tongue in cheek jab. Got em.

Thanks.  I figured you would like the 'Dallas fan" comment.  

Y'all need to stand in field and start pissing, preferably close to an electric fence.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I thought making the pro-bowl is a popularity contest since Hurts made it as an alternative?  But now it's the barometer for successful drafts?  Interesting.  

Moving the goal posts again.  I never said that.  It is a bit of a popularity contest, and it seems the Eagles' recent draft picks aren't popular.  I wonder why?

 

But, good to see you fix one misstatement from your recent postings.  Hurts is an alternate.

 

But, to clarify my post is not to use Pro Bowl status as a barometer, but to use it as a factually based assessment that is verifiable, not opinion based by us.  The point being that almost every single team in the NFL has managed at least one (specifically drafted AFTER the Eagles' first pick), except for the Eagles and about 3 dreck of the league teams like the Lions and Jets are the only ones that haven't... it sort of shows something.  It's not definitive proof of anything, but it is an indicator of talent to be found when the Eagles are on the board.  Ignoring the Pro Bowlers selected before the Eagles first pick, and ONLY identifying those drafted AFTER the Eagles' first selection eliminates the 'Howie can't find good talent because of his draft position' garbage that is spewed by some.  There's more than 1 round in every draft, and there's more talent in the draft than those players selected in the first 15-20 selections.  The fact that good players can be found in Rounds 2 - 7 would indicate that Howie has no excuse for not finding talent when the teams drafting behind him still can.  

 

Just a quick recount and from 2017 through 2021, the number is in the mid-40s.  So, more than 40 players were selected after the Eagles in that 5 drafts that Howie chose to go a different direction with... that's an average of 8 per year.  So, we can put to rest the whole, Howie can't find those players because they always go before our pick garbage.  That is the point of such a post, not to measure the successful draft versus the unsuccessful... but to eliminate the excuse of Howie is picking too late to find any studs.  

 

Measuring a draft purely by 'starter' status is pretty relative too, isn't it?   Why is Reagor starting for the Eagles?   Because he should, or literally because of his draft status?  Is Edwards starting because he should, or because there's no one better to start over him?  Obviously, you want to draft players that start for your team, but you also want them to start because they earned it, not 'by default'.  

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

So late round draft picks aren't guys like Mailata with potential high ceilings but could just as easily be busts?  Are you feeling well today? 

No, they aren't. A rational fan should be able to tell what is an exception to the rule.

Crazy how many people on social media admire a rapist just because he’s good at a sport 

Eagles are 13th in DVOA & 11th in point differential. We're an above-average team that is worthy of the playoffs.

40 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Greeny, now that we're at the end of the season...any change in your thoughts on Howie (basing this on your avatar pic)?

Nope

2 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Y'all need to stand in field and start pissing, preferably close to an electric fence.

 

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Washington Warthogs or Red Hogs

 

Warthogs could have double meaning, with the plane and all.  

 

 

I thought you were talking about the female fanbase at first

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Please stop using this as an excuse to lower the bar.   Plenty of high quality players have been drafted AFTER the Eagles' first pick.  I did a breakdown a while ago of exactly how many Pro Bowlers have been selected AFTER the Eagles first selection of that draft since the last one was selected (Wentz)... and the answer came out to in the 30s, IIRC.  (feel free to double check that.  I don't remember). And if you go by total Pro Bowlers drafted, all but about 3 other teams had at least one... the perennial playoff teams had multiple.  The Eagles had zero.   This year the Eagles have alternates.  Next year they may actually get some Pro Bowlers, but to call Howie's drafting above average is inaccurate.  Do the math on what average is and then make the claim.   Average would mean more than 1 Pro Bowler in that time.  Howie is currently still at 0.  

That's called "cherry picking." Sure you can draft a Kelce, but that's rare. Goedert should be a pro bowl TE, he's the best two way TE in the NFL. So that's a limited criteria.

Given where they drafted those four years, they garnered more than the expected value of their draft picks. That's how you judge a draft.

And that includes the whiffs, does anyone really care if Dillard is a 1st or Mailata a 7th? We ended up with an elite LT (and trade bait this spring).

 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ha!  That made my day.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

DrunkNova

 

Come up with some new material or at least with something above a 3rd grade level. 

2 minutes ago, SB52 said:

 

Everybody's favorite board game...

26 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

The Eagles only beat 2 teams in 2017 with a winning record before the playoffs. Cowboys and Rams. Only one playoff team.

Super Bowllllzzzzzzzzzzzz

10 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Y'all need to stand in field and start pissing, preferably close to an electric fence.

Why, did you like it?

I love how sports uniforms can turn the most grizzled football fans into sophisticated fashionistas

"Ew that trim is gross, it's going to make their thighs look bigger when they run, a little subtle burgundy lace would have really pulled it all together...

Anyway, helluva hit on that last play, watch this you can see his elbow snap in two..."